no point claiming what you have no right to claim (religiorant)   Leave a comment

you have to laugh at people who defend their christianity without ever actually being an actual christian themselves, I mean, there are christians who worry that christianity will disappear if non-believers get their way… and they worry about such trivial things like the “War on Christmas?” … ahem … seriously, guys, Christmas was created by the Romans a few hundred years after JC supposedly died to make it easier for the pagans to assimilate christianity, so it wasn’t actually part of Christianity in the first place.

… but …

the strange thing about people and their objections that christianity might die off, is that there is *already* no such thing as christianity, at least not how the Jesus Christ character from the bible taught it, at least, not in the “Western” world.

Most of these other Jesus characters that alleged christians boast about believing in, seem to be only vaguely based on the bible-Jesus, because for the most part, most of the christians that I am aware of have made up their own Jesus, right there in their heads because how else would this Jesus of theirs just happen to share all the same likes and dislikes that they do if they didn’t invent him themselves?

“If god didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent him…”–[Voltaire]

Yes, I am saying that some people believe in god for the very purpose of justifying their bigotry.

Like those religious people who are against homosexuality because god says its “wrong”.. well, even *if* it is wrong, what do other people’s relationships have to do with you? And furthermore, even *if* it is against the will of god, then this will be sorted out by god itself, at some later time so the fact is that believers are only being busy-bodies by telling others that they are sinning, at least in my experience. Either that, or they don’t really believe that their god will actually punish the sinners at some point in the future so they (have to) do it instead.. you know, just in case god doesn’t get the chance.

Believers should keep their judgements to themselves because I don’t ever recall the Jesus from the bible being hateful towards any particular sort of person, in fact, didn’t this Jesus guy say something about forgiving them? so, ahem, if christians are to follow his example, they shouldn’t be judging others, they should be compassionate and understanding towards others, so just how can they be hateful towards anybody simply because they don’t like particular types of people when it goes right against the fundamentals of what their Jesus taught?

And no, you don’t get to be a bastard to someone and then say that you love them or that Jesus loves them or whatever other godly orientated excuse you can come up with to justify your hatred because if you were truly following this Jesus guy, you wouldn’t have hated so much so that you would need to vocalise or write about your hatred in the first place… Personal hatred I can understand, ie. when you know the person, *personally*, but to hate a whole “type” of person, without knowing any of them… what was that judge not lest thee be judged yourself thing?

Remember the Good Samaritan? … the point is that Jesus didn’t care *what* people believed, he cared that you help people in need when you can. A lot of “good” christians seem to have forgotten the Good Samaritan parable….

A lot of christians also seem to forget that their values are *christian* religious values, I don’t follow your religion, your religion only applies to *YOU*, if you want to impose your religious values upon me then you are saying that your religion is *the* religion.

For this, I would need proof that your religion is the religion because as far as I am concerned, you aren’t even following your own religion anyway, so either show to me how you honour this JC guy’s teachings or stop pretending to follow him because even if your religion is the religion, then “so what?” – you aren’t following it properly, so why should I follow it as well?

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Oh .. and if you do actually show me how you honour the teachings of Jesus, then you have actually failed at honouring the teachings of your Messiah …

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

… or the more easily understood … “you aren’t getting into heaven if you brag that you do good deeds”…

and one could further imply from the above bible verse that merely saying that you are christian and not doing good deeds is far worse, and just saying that you are christian, would seem to be the vast majority of christians

I mean seriously, if all two billion christians gave a measly ten dollars a year to a central charity that could give to the poor, then worldwide poverty could be almost eliminated but clearly poverty hasn’t been eliminated which says to me that christians are not doing their sacred duty so how do they expect to get into this heaven of theirs when they didn’t try very hard at actually earning entry to said place of eternal peace?

If I were christian, I wouldn’t be expecting Jesus to be coming back any time soon, considering that christianity allows people in need to continue to exist and yet, the biggest concern among christians these days is how Christ is being taken out of Christmas?

you can’t merely just be a christian – you have to actually *do* something for those who aren’t as well off as you are… that’s my understanding of christianity and that is exactly why I don’t call myself christian. I would be lying to myself if I were to call myself christian, it would be like wearing a cheap suit from K-Mart with an “Armani” label tacked on to make it look like I was the shiz.

Don’t get me wrong, that cheap suit looks good enough to me anyway, so in spite of christians not actually being christian, for the most part, most of them are decent enough people anyway, but the fact is that they are pretending to be christian while there are still needy people in this world, so these feeble excuses people tell themselves as to why they do nothing are just going to piss this Jesus off, if he is in fact real.

Like this bullshit of you just need to believe in Jesus because he died on the cross … that’s fucking offensive … what a crock of utter shite?!?!!?

The whole point of dying on the cross was to show people how far Jesus expected his followers to go to avoid hurting people! It says so in the very same bible that christians pour over all the time, so if you missed that bit… read Matthew Chapter 16, the whole chapter

ie. if you don’t understand what you are reading in the bible, you don’t get to fucking make up your own interpretation!! Go find several priests and get second, third and fourth opinions.

…. and all of those Jesus-miracles? could it be that they were just to show that Jesus could save himself from persecution if he so chose to do so?

Going as far as Jesus did to avoid hurting anybody who was trying to kill him, set a standard that is way too high for followers of christianity to follow.

JC taught a whole bunch of shit that set the bar so fracking high that no one could claim that they are truly christian, not really.

For starters: JC taught that if you want to follow him and get into heaven, then you need to sell your stuff and give that money to the needy, so what is it with all the christians in their fancy suits with their shiny jewellery with all their little techno gadgets and their fuel guzzling cars and their houses etc etc – what hypocrites!?!

If you are a christian and you can afford the luxuries of life, then don’t kid yourself, you know damn well that if you were truly christian you would have given that money to the needy instead of spending it on yourself.

So if you are to claim that you are christian while there are still needy people in this world, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to be proudly stating that you are christian and the reason for this is simple: while there are needy people in the world, that means that there are christians that are not doing their bit to get into heaven.

There are two billion christians, how can there still be poverty anywhere in the world if giving to the needy (aka “love thy neighbour”) was being taken seriously?

To boldly and proudly claim that you are christian while you are walking around with more wealth in your pocket than some people have seen in their entire lives is utterly removed from what the christian messiah was trying to teach..

Being greedy is not the meaning of this love thy neighbour thing that Jesus taught. Being selfish is not what Jesus meant when he said go and spread the word, the word was “be nice to everyone, and help those in need” – not annoy the fuck out of people by getting them to “follow Jesus” just by saying that they follow Jesus – you are supposed to spread “the word” by your actions of kindness to others who are in need – if you are not doing that – then you are not christian – plain and simple.

in fact, to even make the claim that you are christian to someone who doesn’t know whether you deserve to be called christian or not, sees that you have already failed at actually being christian, because being christian is supposed to be something that you should earn via your actions with your good deeds and goodwill to all people yadda yadda yadda

Being christian can not ever be something that you merely claim and then expect to be taken seriously… *ever*

I mean, I can claim that I am an astronaut, but that doesn’t make it so, so if I make the astronomical claim to some stranger that i am an astronaut when I haven’t actually done anything that allows me to make that claim, then i should expect to be treated as a bullshit artist until i *can* back up this claim by actually going to space, or at the very least, be actively involved in training to be an astronaut, because if I don’t, then *everything* else I say, about anything at all, is *also* suspect.

Keeping that astronaut analogy in mind, anyone merely claiming that they are christian is instantly treated with the trepidation that they deserve for making such a spurious claim, because you’ve not proven yourself as being able to make such a bold claim. Not to me you haven’t.

It’s like being in court, I may or may not be an outstanding member of society, but if I lie to the judge, then the judge is going to assume that everything I say from that point on is a lie, at the very least, every thing I say is to be taken with a grain of salt. ie. I have told one lie, so the precedent is set, I can’t be trusted to be honest, so the judge will expect more lies from me because I have shown that I can not be trusted because I have already told one lie..

And christianity, is one massive lie, especially in the “western” world. There are so many “things” that are tagged as being “christian” these days that are nothing to do with what Jesus actually taught, so much so, that for me, anyone claiming to be “christian” is a matter of …. “meh! .. so what? do you want a gold star or something?”

the word “christian” pretty much means nothing to me now, it’s irrevocably tainted. So you are better off keeping your christianity to yourself because this “christianity” tag is just a heads up to the fact that you are more than likely NOT actually following what Jesus taught, ergo, if you tell me that you are christian when I didn’t ask you if you were, then I am inclined to think that you are a liar.

The ironic thing here is that if people would show that they deserved to be called a christian, then they would not need to even tell me that they are christian because I probably would have figured it out already in the first place, all by myself, as it’s pretty easy to spot people who are as generous as this Jesus Christ character I keep hearing about. In fact, someone who was even half as nice as this Jesus story-book character would stick out like a sore thumb in our self-centred society.

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What’s even more ridiculous is that by the christian “rules”, these claims of being christian that believers tend to make is not something to be taken lightly, it is their *eternal* souls that they are talking about, they get *one* chance to get it right, so to claim that you are “like Jesus” without backing up those claims, is rather unwise, because if indeed this whole Jesus Christ thing does turn out to be true, then the most fucked people on judgement day are going to be the people who merely claimed that they were christian when they did nothing whatsoever to justify making those claims.

Apathetically claiming you are christian is far worse than being a non-believer who did just as much to help the needy as some pretend-christians did, but at least the non-believers didn’t prance around telling everyone that they were better than everyone else because they believed in Jesus when others did not believe. What’s the fucking point of believing in Jesus if you don’t do what your Messiah has commanded you to do?

In fact, given the sheer volume of people claiming to be christian when they are not even close to being Christ like, then the wisest course of action, is to not claim you are christian, at all, even if you *are* a christian, as you wouldn’t want to be lumped in with the un-Christ-like christian mob, accidentally, should the end of the world or something like that happen.

The way I see it is that you are better off by not making the claim that you are christian because you are not taking it upon yourself to think yourself “worthy” … because, ahem, according to the bible, only Jesus gets to say whether you are worthy or not. So if you’re self appointing yourself as a christian, then one could speculate that you are saying that you are already bound for heaven. That assumption is idolatrous because you are not god, you are not Jesus, you are doing the job of your god by self-appointing yourself as a christian.

By not making the assumption that you are christian, you are not trying to declare yourself as being worthy, so you are not pretending to be Jesus Christ.

So if this Jesus thing is true and you haven’t made the assumption that you are saved, then you are better off because you have not assumed the job of Jesus and declared yourself worthy. Without making the bold statement that you are saved, your life is to be judged on what you did, and not some affectation that you wore as some sort of way to affirm that you are “chosen” or “saved” or that indeed, you are better than anybody else because you believe in some arbitrary story book character from thousands of years ago.

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The details of christianity are irrelevant, so to troll through the bible looking for its hidden meaning is an insult to the real Christianity as that Christ guy intended, because the crux of Jesus Christ’s teachings is that you are to be good to others, especially to those that are in need, that is what is important. That message isn’t hidden, it’s there in plain fucking site, if you can’t get the whole be-nice-to-everyone-and-that-means-everyone-even-the-gays-blacks-jews-hispanics-blah-blah-blah, then you are a failure at being christian.

Claiming that you are christian, doesn’t make you a good person, in fact, claiming that you are christian when you do not follow the teachings of Jesus is outright blasphemy.

If you are claiming that you are christian and yet you do not follow the teachings of Jesus from the bible, then you are making up your own version of Jesus, and if you have made up your own Jesus, then that is most definitely a false Jesus, and worshipping false gods (even if you just happen to call that god “Jesus” too) is idolatry, it breaks the first commandment of “love thy god before all others”, and the first commandment still applies to any god that you have made up… in fact, it applies especially to gods that you personally make up and breaking that first commandment is one way to certainly make sure that you are going to this hell that the non-believers are so commonly condemned to.

Damning people to hell is judging others as being unworthy, which is more idolatry, because to claim with authority that somebody is going to hell, is to claim that you are Jesus Christ himself because according to the bible story, only Jesus gets to send people to hell.

So even if the christian is *right* about a person going to hell, they *still* have no right to pretend to be the messiah by having the arrogant gall to even think that they have the right to sit upon the judgement throne of their precious *god*, let alone go around shouting to the world about who they think is unworthy of eternal peace.

So, if there really is a hell, I would expect it to be full of self-appointed christians who made the boldly arrogant assumption that they were going to heaven when they did nothing whatsoever to deserve to be going to heaven.

Oh, and just because you were born into a christian family or you told you that were christian, it doesn’t make it so either, you still need to earn your christian stripes, *before* you can wear them.

Posted 11 September, 2012 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, idolatry, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

the dangers of atheism   Leave a comment

The Dangers of Atheism

And by “dangers”, I am not referring to religious types that would bully the atheist for having the gall to not only be a non-believer, but to also make that fact that they are indeed an atheist known to the world; instead I am referring to the inherent need for people to identify with a particular “genre” of what sort of people they think they are and “atheism” is very much in danger of becoming fractured in much the same way that religions tend to fracture.

Meaning to say that at some stage, all of this atheism banner-waving will end up seeing multiple people who supposedly fly that same atheist banner butting heads with each other over some issue, which in turn would make splinter groups, then we would have multiple groups of atheism when indeed “atheism” should not be a defining factor to what sort of person you are anyway.

For me, the way I see atheism is that there is no point in identifying as an atheist in the first place, because “atheism” is supposed to be the complete lack of religion and belief in supernatural – and that’s it.

It’s like taking the number zero and adding some stuff to it and then thinking that zero is now somehow larger than zero, but you still *call* it “zero”… no, any previous values of zero that are now larger, are now *not* zero… You just can NOT have a large value of zero, this does not make sense.

So I do not feel compelled to identify myself as a non-believer, not really, I tend to reveal my “non-believerism” at moments when it is relevant to where I am and what I am doing and what is going on around me – it is not something that I need to carry around as a banner before me, but if I do, it is merely to annoy the religious, which I know is childish, but enjoyable nonetheless, which in turn partly allows me to tolerate the religious and their bullshit…

the danger of flying your banner is that others who also fly that same banner will flock to your banner and vice-versa, which is the whole point of flying a banner in the first place, so people with the same line of thinking can group together. The danger here is that others will not share in all things that you believe in and this creates an environment where belligerent attitudes can flourish.

ie. just because someone is an atheist, it doesn’t mean they understand science, it doesn’t mean that they are vegan, or that they vote a particular way, etc etc — point being is that just because two atheists may agree on being atheists, it doesn’t mean that somewhere down the line, the two atheists will continue to get along once the common thread that brought them together is over.

As an example, I often tolerate atheist idiocy because the argument that they are in sees that the opposing side is even *more* ridiculous than the atheist argument and I also find it reprehensible to chastise atheists when the fact of the matter is that the christians do NOT chastise their extremists so I do not feel compelled to get into arguments with atheists because we have a common cause to fight against, ie. religion. But as time goes on, that battle is more than likely to die away as more and more people give away their religion, meaning there will be more atheists or at least, less religious people to butt heads with.

Meaning to say that if atheists rally around the banner of atheism, eventually there will be a philosophical split over some issue. For example, some atheists have tried to insult me for not being of the position that there is most definitely *no* god. That argument is just as arrogant as saying that there most definitely *is* a god. Neither position is verifiable, so I take no position on the matter of god other than to entertain myself with the possibilities of there being such a creature as god or not.

The point is that this person suggested rather strongly that I should make the affirmation that I was an atheist on *his* terms. As far as I am concerned, taking a position where no logical evidence is involved, is a religion, it requires faith. That rather angry person was a fanatical atheist. He has made his religion *atheism* because he is willing to summarily dismiss all the supporting evidence (or lack thereof) and that is exactly what religious fuckwits do. He emphatically denied the existence of god and in fact, went out of his way to do so as well. He clearly would not tolerate my presence unless I would make the same spurious affirmation as him. If that’s what atheism is about, then atheism is not for me because I do not accept anything anybody says if they can not back it up, I don’t even care if they are right and there really is no god, you can’t prove it, so you most definitely don’t get to be an arrogant cunt about it, no matter what side of the fence you sit upon.

This same thing has happened with christianity, it split into factions, which split into factions, which split etc etc and as documented throughout history, these christians that are supposed to be on the same page as their Jesus messiah dude, hate each other so much that they have been killing each other for centuries and yet they are supposedly all christians?? If christians can’t even follow this message of love everyone from their precious Jesus, then christianity is not for me, either.

same thing happens today with Islam, a major component of the violence in middle east countries involves the dispute between the Sunni and Shi’ite factions of Islam, and they kill each other over that difference, and yet, they both, allegedly, follow a religion of peace?

If atheists start clutching to their atheist banners too tightly, the same thing is bound to happen, it is human nature to defend what you perceive as being yours.

Did you see that episode of South Park, where the atheists of the future split into factions that were at war with each other over some trivial aspect?

What I am saying is this: go to your atheism meetings and groups and atheism forums and make it known that there are atheists out there as often as you like, but just remember that atheism is about being an individual, to group yourselves into new convenient groupings after society has finally started to dump the convenient groupings of religion is just to start the whole “religion” process all over again.

“We are all individuals”–[Brian]

Posted 30 June, 2012 by manabrau in atheism, Christianity, god, Islam, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

atheism has no argument to make against the joke that is religion…   Leave a comment

atheism has no argument to make against christianity…

…because Christianity died a very long time ago…

this is very simple to see, if you take notice…

anything at all that you have heard from the bible (old testament or new) that somehow justifies hatred or is somehow bigoted – then no matter what – Jesus’ two commandments outrank those notions found elsewhere in the bible … ie. (1) love thy god and (2) love thy neighbour

if you do not follow those two commandments at all times then you can stop pretending that you are christian and from what I can tell, 99% of christians are *pretending* to be christian, regardless of whether they realise that fact or not, they are still pretending to follow Jesus.

given this, atheism does not need to make an argument for itself, the argument that atheists and atheism finds itself in, is already won because the christians have already defaulted in their arguments, seeing how little to nobody AT ALL is actually following what Jesus said to do …

ie. the most Jesus-like person I can think of from actual history … is Gandhi … and he was a Hindu ..

what does that say about christianity?

to me it says that there are no christians, so exactly what is it that atheists are fighting against? they are fighting against people who are PRETENDING to be christian ….

and *yes* there are some christian groups that do great humanitarian work (eg. the Sisters of Mercy and the hospital they founded for those in need) but it seems to me that the majority of christians sit back and let that minority do all the work of being christian and as representatives of christianity, the rest of the christians do not need to do a thing for those in need, they assume that just the mere fact of being christian is somehow enough to get into heaven.

this is not a war that the atheist should even bother to fight, as it should be easily won without firing off a single shot … so just what is it that atheists are rallying against? they are rallying against the stupid and frivolous bits of religion whereas they should be berating religionists for NOT following their religion properly!

it seems to me that the atheist v religionist “war” is just a great big pissing match and the only way to win, is to not be involved.

Posted 18 May, 2012 by manabrau in atheism, Christianity, Religion Sux Arse

Friedrich Nietzsche quotes   1 comment

was bored tonight so i read some web site that has some Nietzsche quotes and there are some things that he has said that are in common usage today… not saying he said them first but … anyway my fave Friedrich Nietzsche quotes from that site (link at the bottom)

Friedrich Nietzsche quotes

And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh.

Anyone who has declared someone else to be an idiot, a bad apple, is annoyed when it turns out in the end that he isn’t.

Arrogance on the part of the meritorious is even more offensive to us than the arrogance of those without merit: for merit itself is offensive.

Do whatever you will, but first be such as are able to will.

Faith: not wanting to know what is true.

For the woman, the man is a means: the end is always the child.

God is a thought who makes crooked all that is straight.

I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance.

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.

In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.

Is man one of God’s blunders? Or is God one of man’s blunders?

It is good to express a thing twice right at the outset and so to give it a right foot and also a left one. Truth can surely stand on one leg, but with two it will be able to walk and get around.

It is impossible to suffer without making someone pay for it; every complaint already contains revenge.

It is the most sensual men who need to flee women and torment their bodies.

Love is blind; friendship closes its eyes.

Love is not consolation. It is light.

Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.

No one lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.

One has to pay dearly for immortality; one has to die several times while one is still alive.

One may sometimes tell a lie, but the grimace that accompanies it tells the truth.

One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star.

One often contradicts an opinion when what is uncongenial is really the tone in which it was conveyed.

One ought to hold on to one’s heart; for if one lets it go, one soon loses control of the head too.

One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly.

Perhaps I know why it is man alone who laughs: He alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter.

Shared joys make a friend, not shared sufferings.

Sleeping is no mean art: for its sake one must stay awake all day.

Success has always been a great liar.

Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.

That which does not kill us makes us stronger.

The “kingdom of Heaven” is a condition of the heart – not something that comes “upon the earth” or “after death.”

The abdomen is the reason why man does not readily take himself to be a god.

The aphorism in which I am the first master among Germans, are the forms of “eternity”; my ambition is to say in ten sentences what everyone else says in a book – what everyone else does not say in a book.

The best author will be the one who is ashamed to become a writer.

The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.

The demand to be loved is the greatest of all arrogant presumptions.

The desire to annoy no one, to harm no one, can equally well be the sign of a just as of an anxious disposition.

The doer alone learneth.

The future influences the present just as much as the past.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.

The irrationality of a thing is no argument against its existence, rather a condition of it.

The lie is a condition of life.

The most common lie is that which one lies to himself; lying to others is relatively an exception.

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.

The word “Christianity” is already a misunderstanding – in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross.

There are horrible people who, instead of solving a problem, tangle it up and make it harder to solve for anyone who wants to deal with it. Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.

There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths.

There are no facts, only interpretations.

There are people who want to make men’s lives more difficult for no other reason than the chance it provides them afterwards to offer their prescription for alleviating life; their Christianity, for instance.

There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.

There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness.

There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings.

There is not enough religion in the world even to destroy religion.

This is what is hardest: to close the open hand because one loves.

Those who cannot understand how to put their thoughts on ice should not enter into the heat of debate.

Thoughts are the shadows of our feelings – always darker, emptier and simpler.

Today I love myself as I love my god: who could charge me with a sin today? I know only sins against my god; but who knows my god?

Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.

Undeserved praise causes more pangs of conscience later than undeserved blame, but probably only for this reason, that our power of judgment are more completely exposed by being over praised than by being unjustly underestimated.

We hear only those questions for which we are in a position to find answers.

We love life, not because we are used to living but because we are used to loving.

We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.

We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh.

What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.

Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.

Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

Whoever despises himself nonetheless respects himself as one who despises.

Whoever feels predestined to see and not to believe will find all believers too noisy and pushy: he guards against them.

Wit is the epitaph of an emotion.

Without music, life would be a mistake.

Words are but symbols for the relations of things to one another and to us; nowhere do they touch upon absolute truth.

You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.

source http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/friedrich_nietzsche.html

Posted 5 March, 2012 by manabrau in Uncategorized

was anybody ever following what Jesus said to do? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

when one says that they follow Christ but then they don’t follow what he taught, one makes up their own version of Jesus, do they not?

isn’t making up your own god the very definition of idolatry?

In essence, any “christian” who does not follow the second commandment of “love thy neighbour” in any way and yet still claims to “follow Jesus” also breaks the first commandment because they have made up their own, personal Jesus…

This is a false Jesus. It might be close to the bible Jesus, but if you are not following what he said to do, then your Jesus is a false Jesus.

the whole non-violence thing Jesus went through by dying on the cross, was not to give some sort of get-out-of-hell-free card to those who simply believed in Christ, what Jesus was trying to teach was that dying up on the cross was the extreme that he wanted *everyone* to go to in order to avoid enacting violence upon others. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that he *could* have done something to stop people from trying to kill him, but he chose not to defend himself by breaking the cycle of violence and letting himself be killed…

when you look at christianity that way, it would seem that little to nobody is actually following anything that this superhero Jesus guy taught anyway..

So was anybody, ever following what Jesus taught? I mean, the majority of people stick up for themselves when they are persecuted and does it not make sense that anybody who was actually following Jesus’ teachings, would find themselves “naturally selected” out of existence anyway?

that I feel, is the key to unravelling christianity, once and for all, point out that no-one is actually following it anyway.

It would seem to be a waste of time to be harping over petty things like the physics of Noah’s flood or how we’d all be inbred if we were initially spawned from a mere two people and how christians conveniently ignore all of those things that are supposedly abominations in the Old Testament, except those abominations that suit their particular flavour of bigotry, of course…

If you truly want to put an end to christianity, you’ll point out to the user that it has already ended because no-one is actually following what this fabled Jesus guy of theirs actually taught.

Jesus taught things like giving away all your money to the no-good free loaders was what christians were supposed to do if they want to get into heaven, it was only Jesus’ lazy arse followers who ever said that you can get away with just believing, Jesus said you had to actually do something to get into heaven…

Posted 22 January, 2012 by manabrau in Christianity, idolatry, jesus

"why doesn’t god help the needy?" is a flawed argument (atheiorant)   Leave a comment

i find the whole “why doesn’t god help the hungry” argument to be a flawed argument on the part of the atheist, especially when dealing with Jesus fans because Jesus taught that you are to help those in need, right?

Jesus taught that his *followers* should help people in need, Jesus never taught that he would fix things by coming down and/or fix things from remote – according to the story, this Jesus Christ god is not *ever* going to come down and help the needy because it is up to followers of Christ to get in there and do that – it is, after all, what the christian needs to do to get into heaven..

Timmy Tebow and his John 3:16 verse may seem to imply that you just need to believe, but the other three gospels say that you have to actually *do* something. ie. the other three gospels say that you get into heaven by giving your money to those who need it

think of how that Good Samaritan helped the guy he saw laying on the side of the road, it was a situation of opportunity, the Samaritan saw the guy in need, so he helped him out, no-one else did, but given the good nature of the helpful Samaritan, I would assume that he thought that he was the first person to come along and see the guy laying at the side of the road.

Now we’ve all known since the 80s, thanks to TV, that people are starving all across the world, so given that knowledge of people in need is so widespread – why haven’t the christians done what their Jesus told them to do? do they not want to get into heaven?

this is why that argument is flawed, it was never up to god to make things good, it was up to the believers in god to spread their wealth around until everyone stopped being in need, so there’s your proof that the Jesus from the bible doesn’t exist, there’s your proof that god is dead and that we’ve killed it because no-one is following Jesus, they are merely saying that they are “christians” because if richest 1% of the two billion or so christians actually gave a mere 10% of their earnings to the needy – i can’t see how needy people could still exist in such vast numbers if christians were actually following their Messiah.

Posted 14 January, 2012 by manabrau in Christianity, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, usa

who the fuck is Tom Tebow? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

DENVER (CBS Denver) — Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow is not the only one who thinks God helps him on the football field.

According to a national telephone survey conducted by Poll Position, 43 percent of people believe that “divine intervention” is responsible for his success compared to 42 percent of people surveyed who think that God has nothing to do with Tebow winning.
— from Poll Finds 43 Percent Of People Believe God Helps Tebow Win

i am certain that 43% is not reflective of the true extent of this problem in the USA as i suspect that people would not say “yes, god helps Tebow” if they were fans of other football teams or didn’t like football at all, so i expect that this *facepalm* attitude to faith to be much more prevalent – perhaps even as many as 99% of US christians have their religion so wrong that according to their rule book, there is no way they are going to this heaven of theirs..

christians don’t carry on like this in Australia anywhere near as much as the USA – idiot christians getting their religion wrong seem to be few and far between over here and the religious majority usually deal with them anyway – in my experience, a non-believer rarely needs to be the one to tell fundamentalist christian idiots to “pull their head in” over here

the problem i have with prayer is that people are praying for trivial things that they want or get… seriously? .. a football game? finding your keys? not missing the bus? .. come on people, such trivialities? … i always thought that prayer was supposed to be reserved for being thankful for very personal stuff like you and your family’s health and/or for the food in front of you – maybe it’s me that is the idiot?

maybe Tebow is praying that he is grateful his leg didn’t fall off? i could accept that, but regardless, he does this prayer bullcrap in front of thousands of people, this is blatantly showing off that you are a believer to win the favour of the masses – to add insult to injury, this Jesus guy even taught that you should *not* do exactly what this Tebow clown is doing in Mathew 6:5, the specific purpose of which was to teach that you should not show off that you are a believer as it makes others like/love/respect/trust you for doing some trivial thing