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do atheists give religiously obsessed ppl a hard time? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

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do atheists give religiously obsessed ppl a hard time?

this is kind of all over the place ….. mostly written 26th October 2010, mostly….

i’ve often heard the religious say that nasty atheists were, or are giving them a hard time….

well, boo friikking hoo – the shoe is finally on the other foot after well over a thousand years of the religiously obsessed being arseholes to everyone in the name of “peace”…

at least atheists don’t go around preaching notions of peace from their holy scripture (they don’t *h*a*v*e* any holy scripture) only to be total hypocrites by completely and utterly ignoring or getting those scriptures *wrong*..

in other words, far too many of the religiously obsessed, BRAG about following something that they aren’t even following correctly in the first place!!

that’s pretty fucking pathetic… and they have the nerve to whinge about atheists?

but how soon “these” people forget that for way more than a thousand years, christians were the ones persecuting non-believers, and that christians would even persecute other christians with their multiple crusades, hundreds of years of inquisitions, and reformations, witch hunts etc etc… (The Fourth Crusade didn’t make it to the middle east, the Crusaders from the WEST christian empire, invaded the EAST christian empire! )

and how soon we forget that the Muslims, for the first 100 years of their religion, that they conquered everything from the west of India, to Saudi Arabia, to Turkey, to Egypt, all the way across the North of Africa and all the way to *Spain*… religion of peace, my arse.

i mention this because recently a poor “persecuted” online christian believer mentioned something to me, alluding to the fact that all the atheists that they had encountered in real life, ended up giving them a hard time….

anyone see the problem with this person?

if you have a problem with *every* person you encounter that has different religious beliefs to you, then NEWSFUCKINGFLASHMORON!!

IT IS *YOU* THAT HAS THE FUCKING PROBLEM!

does it occur to these Sluts for their Religion, that if every non-believer they encounter gives them a hard time about their beliefs, then it is *THEM* that is obviously being belligerent towards everyone else who doesn’t share their bullshit god story, therefore they are *creating* the animosity between themselves and the non-believer?

Anyone who needs to defend their bullshit beliefs so seriously, is *CREATING* the animosity between themselves and the people who don’t share their beliefs because they don’t really believe in those beliefs.. ie. if you had faith, you would not need to get upset, you should not even need to even feel the need to defend your religion, let alone actually go and defend it…

if I didn’t have faith, then I wouldn’t go around stating that much now would I? I would only make an issue of not having faith WHEN some moron with faith had a hissy fit at me for not believing. If you don’t have cancer, you don’t go around saying that you don’t have cancer, do you?

That’s a bit like if you were told the sun wasn’t going to rise, then you go into a wild temper tantrum over that statement that conflicted with your “belief” that the sun would rise tomorrow. ie. if you truly believed the sun was going to rise tomorrow, why would you get upset if some clown said it wasn’t?

WELL???

here-in lies the problem with people and their religion, if somebody can rattle the believer and their beliefs, then they DO NOT TRULY BELIEVE – it’s *that* simple

and ya know, seriously, if people want to be pricks, then they will be pricks, and we should expect that to happen, but if you are going to be a prick, you better not go around pretending that you are morally superior, that your religion is “peaceful”, that it preaches “tolerance”… point is, if you are going to say you are religious, then you don’t get to be a fucking hypocritical prick about it while you are preaching peace, love and mung beans of tolerance of your religion while doing the exact fucking opposite….

the religious fucktards are the ones with the holy scripture telling them to be nice to everyone, not the non-believers…

that is to say, that believers HAVE NO EXCUSE TO **NOT** BE NICE TO EVERYONE…

did you hear me?

religious fucktards have NO EXCUSE FOR BEING CRAPPY TO OTHER PEOPLE – you are PERMANENTLY SUPPOSED TO BE ON YOUR BEST BEHAVIOUR, that’s the price you pay for claiming to be like Jesus, or that your religion is one of peace.

i expect nothing short of Jesus-like behaviour from every christian, NO EXCEPTIONS, ALL THE TIME, and yet, many clearly are far from being Christ-like, a lot are not even able to ignore others that do not share their fantasy story, they just have to *React* in an outburst of rage to provide an affirmation for their beliefs, and a lot of them give their *fellow* believers, who believe in something ever so slightly different, the hardest time of all.

To put it simply, if you are prick to anyone and you claim that you are christian, then taaahhh dahhhhhh…. you are NOT christian, and you NEVER will be

and there is no excuse if you’ve not heard that “do unto others as you would have them do unto you?” is the highest law in christianity… LOVE is the highest law that Jesus taught.. If you don’t believe me, then you’ve missed the point of the bible (if you’re a believer) or if you are a non-believer, then you have a tainted view of christianity, which was completely caused by that previous bunch who have missed the point of their bible in it’s message that LOVE is the highest law…

even “Saint” Paul said ….

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

perhaps LOVE is too strong a word, and should be read as “being NICE”, as we wouldn’t want any HOMOPHOBES to think we’re cracking on to them, now would we? … so instead of “love thy neighbour as you would have them love you”, it should be read as “be nice to other people, in the same way that you want them to be nice to you!” .. frankly I’d be happy if people were taught that you “don’t be a cunt to people if you don’t want them to be a cunt to you”

If you are a prick to anyone while you pretend to be christian, then you are LYING that you are christian .. now i don’t mind if you lie to yourself, that’s none of my business, but make it my business by spewing that lie to me or any other non-believer, and you are definitely at risk of being given a hard time, and if you don’t want to be given a hard time about your religion, then it’s best you shut the fuck up about it

so if you can’t follow your precious holey scripture, and at least try to get along with everyone, then you are just a Slut for Jesus/Muhammad/Moses .. and that’s all you are…. and yes, that’s more IDOLATRY, as you are making out that the fact that you believe, is more important than what your beliefs have taught you.

and if ppl disagree with your religious views, then *LET* them, otherwise they *WILL* call you out if you start being pricks to them about things that don’t even fucking matter…

the moral of the story?

religious obsession, is no different to being stupidly obsessed over things like Harry Potter, or Dungeons and Dragons, or Justin Beiber, or Britney ra ra ra or the even more ridiculous obsession with “Twilight” and vampires that are glittery….. well, it’s no different, except for the fact that religion is *much* *worse*, because at least most of these “fads” burn themselves out, either that, or those fad stricken people actually GROW THE FUCK UP

Posted 26 November, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, idolatry, Islam, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, WP

just saying you believe in god means nothing ….. (religiorant)   Leave a comment

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just saying you believe in god means nothing …..

when somebody says “I believe in god”, it means nothing. It might mean something if you knew that person, so you might have an idea of what they mean when they say “god”, like if someone in your family said, “I believe in god”, you might know what they mean by that because you know them to be a good person by their actions..

but on the other hand, saying you believe in god, especially to a non-believer, could very well mean a lot of *unintended* things to many different people..

so while it might mean something “good” to the believer, this belief in god they are talking about, can be vastly different to what other people have as an idea for “believing in god”.

this is the very basis of why you should keep your religion/god to yourself, because by just saying that you believe, you aren’t showing us what you’ve learned from your religion, you are just saying something that you think will somehow affirm that “you are”, what this belief of yours says “you are”… eg. saying that you christian, is supposedly an admission that you follow the teachings of Jesus, and the implication there, is that you are a good person.

but how does a stranger actually know what this belief of yours means? just saying that you are a good person means nothing, so if you don’t show by example what your religion means, just saying you believe, means nothing.

This is the very reason why people scoff at claims of “peaceful” religions, because history has shown that religion has been anything but peaceful.

If it’s a religion of peace, then the violent actions of religious extremists speak much louder than the silence of the “peaceful” majority, who do nothing about their extremists, except to say that they aren’t true believers, of course.

BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT

If, for example, someone were to confess that they believe in Jesus, they would probably be given the benefit of the doubt and people would think that that was a good thing, because regardless if he was real or not, Jesus had some good stuff to teach. But by confessing a belief Jesus, the believer is asking us to judge their actions with *Jesus* as a frame of reference.

But, *Very* few believers are up to the task of being compared to Jesus.

so believe in Jesus if you want, but if you want to brag that you believe in JC, then you’re going to be judged in relation to the things he taught, so unless you really do believe in Jesus and his teachings and know them and follow them, it’s probably best to keep your belief to yourself, because people will just see you as being full of shit if you confess a belief in Christ, but then you turn out to be a hypocrite.

so just saying you believe without backing up your words with actions to match what is meant by those words, well, it makes you akin to a parrot, you are just repeating phrases that make you feel more loved.

and yes you *really* may feel uplifted by believing in something, but even if you do feel something good by believing, you are still going to be seen as repeating mere phrases by just saying that you believe.

BELIEF IS IRRELEVANT ANYWAY

but beliefs are irrelevant anyway, because if a non-believer and a believer actually talked to each other, they would find that they share many of the same values in life *anyway*, it’s just that there are these idolatrous believers who insist on bringing their beliefs into it, when their beliefs don’t really mean anything to the other person…

and guess what … that’s idolatry, it doesn’t *matter* what you say, it’s what you do.

the non-believer might also consider whether people saying that they believe in god, are merely not just saying that to *themselves*. In other words, it’s irrelevant that you see/hear them confess to their believing in god, they only make such affirmations to remind *themselves* that they believe.

And even if you only tell yourself that you believe in god/Jesus/allah and you don’t back up your beliefs with actions that would honour what your religion has taught you, then you still commit idolatry, you just aren’t bragging about it to everyone else.

if I see that you are a good person by the actions you take, then you can believe whatever you want… what you believe in means nothing to me, I don’t care what you believe, it’s your actions that will earn you my respect, or indeed, my contempt.

SO FUCKING WHAT?

when you say you believe… well? ahem, so fucking what?

who cares if you believe in Jesus? what difference does that even make if you believe god? what do I care if you praise Allah?

that’s like saying that you have a science degree, well, so what? What have you *done* with that degree? got a job? got a nice house? discovered some fancy science thing that will benefit all humanity? well?

Just saying you believe is also like making up things on your resume, you’ve said all this fancy stuff about yourself, but if you don’t live up to the image that you have painted, you’re just full of shit, are you not? just saying you believe is like saying you are a cop, but then you go break the law every chance you get.

a person can say they have read the bible, or they can tell another person to read the bible, but reading the bible isn’t the point of the bible is it? so just saying “read the bible” means nothing, you are making it out to be some sort of proof to justify your beliefs, it is *not* proof.

*YOU* are the proof of the message in the bible/torah/koran. *YOU* and your actions which you supposedly base on your beliefs are the only supporting evidence you have to show that you “believe in god”, at least, the only evidence that actually matters.

If you don’t demonstrate what you have learnt, then you are not doing anything but making the torah/bible/koran out to be some sort of thing that will magically make me believe.

that’s bullshit, just read and believe? if the person asking you to read the bible isn’t committing idolatry, then they are asking you to commit it instead.

by that same notion, the “scientific fields” of creationism/intelligent design, are incredibly elaborate examples of idolatry.

Creationism is a form of confirming your faith, ie. if creationism is true, then that validates the supporting ideology, but, creationism is a “thing”, if you need a thing to validate your beliefs, you commit idolatry.

you say your beliefs give you good moral guidance? well how can they if you just focus on “things” that symbolise your religion, and not on what you have supposedly learnt from it?

the message that your religion taught you, and how you behave in accordance with those teachings, is what actually matters.

JUST SAYING YOU BELIEVE, THAT’S BRAGGING

The boy who cried wolf, comes to my mind at this point when I think of people who “believe in” something but don’t back up their bragging by demonstrating what they have learnt. And it *is* bragging if you don’t back up your words with actions, as you must earn the right to brag, do you not?

when a believer speaks to non-believers and they just say that they are a believer in god, or that they Praise Jesus, or that they read the bible, or whatever praisy thing it is they have to say about their beliefs, that does *not* convey anything meaningful and useful to the non-believer… it does not demonstrate that the believer has learnt anything whatsoever from their religion, so their bragging means nothing to me, at least, nothing that they *want* it to mean.

this is the case because there is no common point of reference, a believer bases their beliefs on their feelings (eg “I feel that the bible/torah/qur’an is the word of god and that it has good things to teach”), and a non-believer also bases their very *lack* of belief in god/Jesus/allah upon their feelings as well (eg. “I feel that the bible/torah/qur’an is full of shit because too much ‘bad’ has been done in the name of what little ‘good’ that can be found in it”)…

we are humans, humans feel, beliefs are based on feelings, anything solely involving feelings, is bound to be unable to be easily communicated between a believer and a non-believer because there is no common point of reference in any meaningful conversation because belief in god is completely based upon *feelings*… (unless, of course, the parameters are explicitly established about what sort of ‘god’ is being spoken about, which can be a *very* painful process in itself)

so this idea of god, that a believer has, is just that.. it’s *their* personal *idea* of god, it’s *their* personal feelings on the matter, because if it wasn’t, you’d be able to show me some evidence that would instantly validate your faith, and if you have proof of your “god”, you don’t need faith, do you?

JUST SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE DOESN’T MEAN A THING

so by just saying that you are a believer, as soon as someone hears/reads that, that notion you have described means nothing, because if that’s supposed to mean something, it doesn’t … how can it? there is no context, so the meaning is open to interpretation.

so in that regard, it does mean *one* thing.

it does mean that *you* are now speaking on behalf of this thing you have just confessed to having a belief in, *you* are now the personal representative of what ever it is you’re trying to ‘sell’, so it is *you* that will be judged by your actions and by those actions, your behaviour will then become part of the definition of whatever it is you’re trying to tell us about.

eg. just say the pope tried to cover up child rape, from that point on, whenever someone says something about “christianity”, I think of pope’s that try to cover up the fact that priests fuck little children

and the same could be said from a believer’s point of view as well, if someone purporting to be an atheist acted like a prick to them, their definition of atheism would then expand to include the idea that atheists are pricks.

which is fair enough, but…. non-believers do not go around boasting that they believe in anything that supposedly inspires them to be “good” people, which is the implication of saying that “you believe in god/Jesus/allah”, right?

so the choice is yours in how to act, if by your actions you are judged to be a good person, you will then be putting in a good word for whatever it is you say that you believe in.

however, if you are a prick, then that attitude will be added to the essence of what it means to be whatever it is you’re purporting to be.. ie. like it or not, you speak for your faith, if you do not want to speak for your faith, then it’s best not to advertise it.

eg. if you go around saying you’re a christian, and then you threaten people by saying you are going to snap their necks, you *will* be held as the *shiniest* example of your faith… the *Very* *Shiniest* example

In other words, if you want to praise Jesus/allah/god, then good for you, I’m not stopping you, but it’s your actions that you are judged by, your words of praise and other various adulations are nothing but idolatrous noise to the non-believer.

You say you are a believer? well we fucking heard you the first zillion times, so now it’s time to show us what you have learnt, because thus far, for every one christian actually apparently conforming to the christian ideas that I was taught (Jesus said to love everybody), I have seen at least a hundred that do not “Do unto others as they would have others do unto them”….

Posted 22 September, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, idolatry, Islam, jesus, M.S., Religion Sux Arse, WP

god still could have made the universe Mr Hawking! (religion v science)   Leave a comment

RELIGION v SCIENCE

recently Stephen Hawking has made the announcement that god did not make the universe, which many of us suspected all along, DERRRRRRR, but of course this has sparked an outrage from the god-did-itters, so once again we see the “faithful” showing their extreme lack of faith, that their faith in god is “unshakeable”!!!

Or perhaps it would be more correct to say that this adverse reaction to what Hawking has said, is because people are demonstrating their complete lack of *imagination* in this ‘being’, they describe as god

However you want to look at it, the people upset at Mr Hawking, have imagined a god that has somehow been “defeated” by Mr Hawking. And if his words have somehow offended or otherwise upset the believer, then those people getting upset clearly have a limited idea of god, because how else can a single personal human opinion about god, upset so many faithsketeers?

If somebody’s idea of god can be “defeated” then that is proof that their “god” is limited, and the only limit imposed on god, is the limit of a person’s imagination.

And *any* god that can be defeated, defies the very concept of god, therefore their idea of god can not possibly be real, so that limited idea of god that people have in their heads, must be *completely* in the mind of it’s believer.

In other words, many people do not think big enough about their god, because 5000yrs ago, god had made the earth and everything on it, and two bright lights in the sky, and lots of other little lights in the sky… that’s a lot of stuff, and while that was *everything* back then, it didn’t quite convey the appropriate impression of the sheer size of the universe that we know about today.

ie. we estimate that there are a hundred thousand million galaxies, at least, each containing something like a thousand million stars, *each*

point is, the universe went from being about one light day across 5000yrs ago, to the estimated size today of being some 78 billion light years across or whatever size it is that just doesn’t make sense if you think about it, but the whole time, what god had apparently made during the past 5000yrs, got bigger and bigger and bigger.. this perfect god was time and time again shown to have been an under estimate on the part of the believers.

this is proof of idolatry, isn’t it?

god made the earth, oh and god made the sun and moon… oh and the planets .. and all their moons.. and the asteroids… oh and the other stars .. and the nebula… and the galaxies … and the galaxy clusters … and the black holes.. and the super-massive black-holes .. oh and god made the universe … clearly the concept of what god has done has expanded over the last few thousand years, much to the reluctance of believers at times.

when your idea of something turns out to be different to how that something is in reality, that’s idolatry, that’s being a fanatic, that’s hero worship, whatever the fuck you want to call it, you are bullshitting yourself about god, because the real god, if there is one, could NOT possibly by defeated by Mr Hawking, or any OTHER human for that matter.

So, if your god can be displaced by some human notion, then your GOD was just not big enough, therefore, your god wasn’t the real god, and the first (christian) commandment is, “thou shalt not worship any god other than the real god”… so anyone getting upset about their god being displaced, is going to HELL for worshipping the WRONG god.

Real world example: how often has some person you idolised, turned out to be a total jerk in reality? maybe the pop star you grew up loving in the 80s, turned out to be a paedophile? or how about the sports-person you thought was brilliant at their game, who turned out to be some steroid popping, bigoted homophobic, wife beating, arrogant racist? or the scientist whose work is still used in everyday science, still thought that god made the universe in six days?

The idea, or the concept, you had of this person turned out to be wrong.

This is the same effect with god, but in this case, the god idea changes gradually over many years, co-incidentally, as our science improves.

This is proof that people’s idea of god, is often not big enough, because they need to keep moving the goal posts, very reluctantly at times, because science has yet again, explained something that was traditionally explained by the believer as being done by god, because only a god could explain this fantastical fantastic thing, right? well, that was WRONG!! which means that the believer was so small minded about their god, that when another human concept came along, it was ABLE TO DISPLACE the believer’s notion of god.

In fact, the whole reason for the dark ages, was because the church wanted what we knew of the universe to actually stay as “god did it”, eg. they wanted it to stay in line with what was written a thousand years before.

Anyone still trying to get science out of the bible, is deliberately trying to perpetuate the dark ages. Using things written a thousand years ago by people who knew nothing of how science works, is *not* science, because eventually old ideas are completely thrown away, and quite frankly, the bible was not much of a starting point in terms of “science”, and to clutch onto a symbol of a previous time as being some sort of thing that it isn’t, well that’s idolatry too, isn’t it?

god is god, there is nothing that could “defeat” it, and yet, we still have people getting upset when told that god didn’t do this, and that god didn’t do that, and that god doesn’t exist .. boo frikking hooo ..

how is that possible? the only way god can be defeated, is if this god that is in your mind, is a shoddy pathetic example of “god”, because if your god can be defeated, then your god was never big enough to be worthy of being called god in the first place.. this is proof of idolatry, as your idea of god, was too small, and how can god be too small unless *you* were worshipping the *WRONG* god?

if your idea of god is too small, then you’re idea of god is not the same as the “real” god, because the “real” god could *never* be defeated by the opinion of some scientist guy.

this is why supernatural beliefs are supposed to be personal things, because you should expect them to be challenged for being too small if you must insist on stating those beliefs in public.

someone who truly believed in the awesome nature of god, would realise that “making the universe”, would be a small and petty task for a god anyway, so one should not be disappointed when told that their god didn’t make the universe, as it was a trivial task for a “god” in the first place.

how about god made existence itself? that’s a metaphorically vague task for god to have done that can’t be defeated by science, or how about god made “the nothing” that became the something that we are familiar with if you want to be “specific”?

any true believe in god, would not even have thought up the concept of a being called “god” in the first place, god would then just be part of what *is*, and you would not think about it at all…. like gravity, you don’t believe in gravity, do you?? does believing in gravity make it work, does it? you would just accept it as being there as part of what *is*, if nobody mentioned “gravity” you most likely would never have thought to identify this downward motion gravity thing, *as* a downward motion, because it would be normal, it would be all that you knew, it would be part of your very existence, so much so it wouldn’t even have a name, at least until someone taught you about it

god should be the same, you should just believe in god, and leave it at that, giving it any quality, is bound to wrong, so is therefore likely to be idolatry, and for people so fracking worried about going to hell, you probably want to stop committing idolatry every day.

Posted 13 September, 2010 by manabrau in astronomy, Christianity, dumbasses, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, WP

Stop spreading the News (christianity flaws #2)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #2
STOP SPREADING THE NEWS
We heard you the *FIRST* thousand times
and haven’t you done enough damage as it is?

another in the series of fundamental flaws I have identified with christians following their christianity ….

*Jesus* did not *insist* that you follow his way – and he certainly did not teach that “practising” christians annoyingly insist that the “good” news be spread!

remember that parable where the rich dude had to give up his money in order to get into heaven? (the one where he says it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven, thankfully i don’t know what that verse is by heart)

Did Jesus insist that the rich dude do that?

No, he did not, that rich dude had to come to that all by himself. Jesus *let*him*be* when he saw that the rich guy didn’t like the sound of what Jesus was proposing.

If Jesus had of insisted right then and there that the rich guy follow his way, he most likely would have put him off following “the way” (“The Way” is apparently what Jesus’ teachings were called before they were hi-jacked by “christianity”, so I’ve heard/read)

Jesus was probably cluey enough to know that there was no point in insisting to the rich dude to follow his teachings, as Jesus probably knew that people would *only* live by his teachings if they came to that decision by themselves, because if they didn’t come to it by themselves, then there would have been no point because only *you* can only change *your* beliefs

However, if someone *can* change your beliefs, it’s because you are a *sheep* and you are following because you want to fit in and get this eternal life or whatever bullshit it is and you do that without coming to an understanding the teachings by yourself. ie. you are only telling yourself that you believe, you’re not actually believing

In other words….

you can not wander up to me in the street say a few words and have me believe

you can not force people to believe

you can not legislate that people believe

you can not threaten people with violence to make them believe.

you can not beat the shit out of people to make them believe

you can not even kill someone’s family to make them believe

you can not send me a message on some social network and tell me that I need to believe, thereby making me believe

in short: you can not go around telling people about your fantasy stories (thus relieving yourself of any responsibility of actually *following* what you have allegedly been taught) and have them believe!!!

In fact, the more violence, insults, insistence and the more annoyance you perpetuate while trying to spread the “good news”, the more likely you are to destroy any inkling of a chance that this person will have a gander at this “christianity” thing you keep blabbering about to see what it entails.

that means you, Mr and Mrs and Ms christian annoyists!! You are *putting* people off your religion!!

And the fact of the matter is that pretty much everyone in a “western” society has heard of Jesus, so there should be no need to spread the word at all, so if you really *do* want to spread the “good news”, then your first stop should be Mecca.

Muslims need the teachings of Jesus way more than any non-believer that I can remember does.

So stop spreading the word to us “Westerners” and get on your bike and get your butt to Saudi Arabia, and let’s see how they like the “good news” … go on… git goin’ …

I’m serious .. and I’m talking about the positive messages in the bible, none of the hatred filled stuff … if you filter out the “do nots” and only follow the “do”s, you’ll do much better.

but are people that dumb that they need to “spread the news” when it takes just as long for them to say “praaaaayyzzzz Jaaaayyyyyzuuuuusss” or try to preach at me in some way, as it does for them to calmly and actually say or actually “do unto others” ??

what’s that about?

I *really* want to know how, in what must be millions of people, perhaps even hundreds of millions, *how* does that happen, is a materials thing? ie. have we become so accustomed to the whole process of getting something; using it up; chucking it away; getting a new one; that this is how we “westerners” treat people and our beliefs themselves?

It’s for this exact reason that I can’t call myself christian, because other people call themselves “christian” but then not follow it in the fucking least, and *then* they get offended at you for your calling them out on their idiocy.

I see the very good reason for separation of church and state in *many* people online – that’s scary – they don’t know what they are asking for!! All these people who pine for the ten commandments as the “law of the land” are extremely fucked in the head. The should try living in Iran where you have to follow the morals laid down by some holy scripture…. let’s see how much they don’t like a theocracy after actually living in one.

It is soooo pointless arguing with mental nut-case religious fanatic christians (or muslims or blah blah blah), if you can’t talk to them calmly then just forget about talking to them, I say it’s a waste of time – and you’re more likely to solidify their beliefs then to win them over…

It’s almost as if some crazy christian people just can’t be bothered to *not* be part of the christinsanity crowd as it would be too inconvenient to not be christian, so much so that some nutters need to make sure other people think the “same”.

eg. for some people, the dream is to grow up, find someone you like, get married, and live happily ever after.. but if we expand on that, some people assume that they have to have a christian wedding, so to cater for this (usually) rare event in their lifetime, they call themselves christian just to have the convenience of living the dream as it applies to them for that one event, then they go back to not giving a flying fuck about being christian at all.

I bet most people only think of being religious, when there’s a new addition to the family (baptism), getting married in a church, and then when somebody dies and they have to go to church. The only other time people are “christian” is when they fill out their census forms.

And yes I do appreciate that christians are few and far between that actually insist on talking about their beliefs in the context of trying to preach to me…

It’s a shame people in general are so brutally quick to find offence when they are on the internet — because given how badly these apparent christians attempt to “spread the news”, uhmmm… well, it’s pretty fucking funny or offensive given the context of the insult to humanity….

If you are a christian, and maybe I should have put this at the start of the blog, then you are *supposed* to spread the news by showing everybody the good deeds you do in your everyday life, and you are to do that without making a big deal out of it

Because, you see, when everybody treats everybody like that, then that’s when we’ll have world peace…. has anyone actually thought about what “world peace” would be like?

perhaps they have and it’s just too much effort to be nice to other people, or maybe it would be no fun if people were nice to everyone?

Frank Sinatra sang about spreading the news too, it was a much catchier tune as opposed to being told that I *had* to do something, just because some busy body wandered up to me or saw my heathen arse on the Internet and decided that I needed to be told about Jesus…

adherence to the TEN commandments (christianity flaws #1)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #1
ADHERENCE TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

another in the series of fundamental flaws I have identified with christians following their christianity ….

while the ten commandments may just be part of the whole christian thing, perhaps even the entire basis of it’s moral lessons, however, the TEN commandments are NOT the point of christianity, not at all, yet some christians choose to put the ten commandments out in front of them as if they are the *most* significant part of christianity…

the basis of what christ taught, apparently, was that golden rule thing, “Do unto others”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

but what do I often see? ten commandments this, ten commandments that, put the ten commandments up in the school, inside the courtroom, out the front of the court, recite them to yourself before school, recite them out loud, learn them off by heart, blah ra ra ra b lah blah ..

but Jesus did not teach the ten commandments, he taught two.

If you hold the ten commandments in higher esteem than the TWO COMMANDMENTS that Jesus taught, then you are not following christianity.

Please don’t tell me you don’t know what those two commandments are!

If you don’t realise that much about your religion, then you have totally and utterly missed the point of christianity, in short, you have your religion wrong, *very* wrong.. 😦

the *message* Jesus taught is the point of the christianity – when it comes to christianity *NOTHING* said by anybody else in the bible is to be taken as some higher authority than what Jesus actually taught.

And Jesus taught, according to the gospels and “Saint” Paul, Jesus taught that we are to love everyone (love thy neighbour; do unto others), and that there is no commandment higher than that…

*nothing* outranks “DO UNTO OTHERS” in christianity, *not* your TEN commandments, NOT your LEVITICUS abomination diatribe, NOT your precious “Saint” Paul, NOT your random bible quotes you decide to throw at non-believers like it means something…

NOTHING outranks Jesus and his teachings, not even *god* as christians are supposed to speak to god via Jesus!!

and the simple reason for all of this, which obviously some christians are so fucking stupid they still don’t get it, is that…

Jesus loves everybody..

it’s certainly not rocket science, but it *does* show the true nature of the christian beast in this widespread ignorance of the simplicity in Jesus’ message..

what! what do you mean?

i’m thinking that those “christians” with their *ten* commandments held so proudly high, don’t like the niceness of all this “love thy neighbour” stuff, it’s too “trusty”, too “soppy”, too “touchy feely” ra ra ra, it’s TOO GAY, it’s TOO UNMANLY, it’s NOT BUTCH enough, it’s TOO “I DON’T GET TO SHOOT SOMETHING”, all in all, it’s TOO frikking nice for the selfish christian …

so if you hold the ten commandments, or anything else in the bible for that matter, above the two commandments that Jesus taught then .. ahem … …

this flaw with christian thinking leads to IDOLATRY because you’ve made up your own version of Jesus/god to follow, not the Jesus dude in the bible, in short, you ainst following Jesus Christ if you think the TEN COMMANDMENTS are the most important thing to christianity.

Posted 20 July, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, WP

Do Unto others (christianity flaws #0)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #0
DO UNTO OTHERS

This will be a series of fundamental flaws in christianity, this first one, however, it’s so fundamental in it’s flaw, that I’ll number it with the number “0” (ZERO) so as to make it first in this list of a dozen or so flaws I had identified with christians following their christianity ….

at a guess, it would seem that most christians have their religion correct, at the very least, they have it mostly correct enough to not bring attention to themselves when they don’t follow it!

but the most of them, are not as loud as the least of them, not by a long shot.

Any true christian would not have a problem with anything I could say about their story, if they did have a problem then they lack the very faith that they are bragging they have!

And the easiest way to put a rabid blabberingly braggingly annoying christian in their place?

Remind them of Jesus’ *highest* commandment!

That commandment being “Do unto others” (Bible quotes below)

now i don’t count the love thy god 1st commandment, as being a commandment, as there is no practical benefit to it for the non-believer, and from what i understand, you “love god” by following the “Do unto others” commandment anyway… Two birds, one stone, you *only* need to follow the 2nd of Jesus’ commandments to be a good christian, as you follow the 1st commandment by following the 2nd.

But the “do unto others” teaching, isn’t an exclusively Jesus thing, it’s in the old testament of the bible, in Leviticus of all places.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

In fact, forget the bible and any other religion that has touted the golden rule of “do unto others” because this very simple concept is probably the very basis of human civilisation!!!

We were able to evolve a sense of being able to trust someone as humans made their way forward to this point in history that we are at now because we shared stuff, we co-operated, we helped each other where we could, we taught each-other concepts far beyond simple everyday tasks.

This trust evolved not from things we *said* – but from things we *did* – we showed that we could trust other people, and in return, they were able to trust us, we did unto others as we would have them do unto us!

Civilisation could not have developed if we were not able to trust each other.

For all the wars and other carry-on throughout the millennia, we were able to make it through all of that because some of us banded together and we co-operated!!

So, in terms of christianity, if you see someone purporting to be a “christian”, ask them, is their behaviour indicative of something that Jesus taught?

is their behaviour in the spirit of their very own Lord and Saviour’s HIGHEST commandment, that being, that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us?

is the behaviour they show toward you, the same behaviour that they *want* you to show toward them?

ask them the above questions… ask them if this is how Jesus wanted them to behave…

And when they retort back at you with ten commandments this, Leviticus abomination that, or some “Saint” Paul thing or they start quoting revelations, you can say to them, “Excuse me, but no, you are wrong… Jesus’ HIGHEST commandment was “do unto others”, NOTHING out ranks it.. NOTHING at all, if you can’t follow that commandment, then you are simply NOT a christian…”

Matthew 22:36-40 (36) Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? (37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mark 12:29-31 (29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. (31) And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

so *Each* of the gospels have this, so does James

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

and so does “Saint” Paul

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John even insists on going on about it a bit more too

1 John 2:7-11 (7) Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. (8) Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. (9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. (11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 3:23-24 (23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 4:20-21 (20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? (21) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

2 John 1:5-6 (5) And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. (6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

ie. the most important thing that Jesus taught was “do unto others”, which wasn’t original, but it seems that way too many “christians” don’t seem to acknowledge this with all the rubbish they have on their online pages and profiles…. like below, the first christian on twitter, the VERY first i could find when i had the idea to see how much flash and how little substance would be displayed by a christian…

i believe the problem with some christians is that “do unto others” is too boring for some, or perhaps it’s too “gay” for them? unmanly? too nice even?

I’m guessing that merely praising Jesus is a rush.

a life *affirmation* that you can say to feel better instantly!

Because, actually doing something doesn’t give the believer an instant “fix” or “high” or “rush”, because “do unto others” actually requires that you actually do something, and the timing of that something, is going to happen at an indeterminate time in the future so you don’t know when you’ll get your fix with being good…

and that’s a timing the junkie just can’t handle

the christjunky needs his fix *NOW*, NOW NOW NOW, hence all the superfluous praise sustains the HIGH, which ends up being the only thing they do, thus the whole useful point of christanity in it’s central and highest theme of “do unto others”, falls to the way side …

Check out the idolatry, assumptions, judge-mentality, festering hate, impracticality and most importantly, the SELFISHNESS of this particular “christian”….

I love christians, nothing makes me happier than when am at church and God is moving. i love non christians too-i was one.

do you think you love homosexuals more than i? why wont you warn them that they are in danger then?

He is the Prince of peace, NOT THE UN.

Jesus came to save us, while we were stil sinners, he is the Way, the Truth and the Life, he is the Ladder that Jacob saw, he is the Prince.

He who spoke the world into being, He made the angels, he made the earth and every creature in them.

He who sits upon the circle of the Earth, the Almighty God, who hangs the earth upon nothing, He who stretches the Universe on one hand.

Jesus is the son of David, the Lord of David, the Groom.

Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Word of God, and the Word was God, the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world, the Lion of Judah.

I cant explain who he is, He is my Lord and my Saviour, my Messiah, my King, my High Priest, my Defender, my Protector, my Creator.

The word of God, the Alpha and the Omega, he who walks among the golden lamp stands, the First and the Last

the deciples asked Jesus, ‘show us the Father(God)’. His answer was ‘I have been with you all this time..’

Jesus is the Lord of Glory, the King of kings, the Mighty God, the Great I AM, The Lord of lords, the Lord of hosts.

Jesus called himself the Son of man, the Son of God. The prophets called him the Messiah.

I think us humans cant define who is man and who aint, why would we doubt the one who made human beings. He can define us.

Jesus said, “before Abraham I am”, he created Abraham, he created Moses, he created Adam, he created you and me for his pleasure.

Everything was made by him and for him. Jesus the Creator

Can you say IDOLATRY?

it’s one thing to follow some religious figure, but this one person in the space of a few hours twittered all of these comments, but not once has he actually said what Jesus’ message was about… not once did he actually show compassion and understanding, in fact, showed the opposite with his attitude towards gays with his “why won’t you warn them” speak, which I can only assume to mean as “why don’t you warn them that they are going to hell” ??

especially when this same fellow went on to say the next day…

(Homosexuals/lesbians) are filled with murder. FILLED: Its inside them waiting 2 happen. school/college shootings. THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE

see what idolatry does? it makes you holier than thou… sadly, the idolater does not realise they commit idolatry.

to this person i would say that the name “Jesus” means nothing, if all you do is praise his name, it means *nothing* to just say this praise, this isn’t spreading *the* word, you’re spreading a bunch of *words*… petty and pretty phrases to make people feel warm and fuzzy is all that you have got

Is it because you are afraid of the enormity of the universe and how insignificant you would be if you didn’t have a special connection with the creator of the universe?

All the while claiming moral superiority over people who don’t believe the same thing you believe in, and that non-believers will suffer in hell for all eternity for simply not believing?

Can you say SELFISHNESS?

You don’t know shit about the after life, nobody does, but you assume you do with this “god” answer, but by thinking this, you’ve completely bypassed the teachings of this Jesus you supposedly have learnt your morals from, and just because you say “Praise Jesus” you are bathed in the glory that is Christ, all the while you have not once displayed the true compassion for someone that your Christ allegedly displayed!!

and ya know, being selfish isn’t a characteristic of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, in fact, it’s quite the opposite to put yourself and your assumptions that *you* just happen to be worshipping the *correct* god before the opinion of everyone else.

How do you know your god is god? How do you know your Jesus is Jesus? you do not, so the safest thing to do, if you *must* believe, is to actually follow the teachings and not brag that you are the one who is going to heaven, while everyone else is bound for hell…

A truly compassionate person would respect every person’s beliefs, and being a curious human being and all that most of us supposedly are, we would ask them all about their religion, and you know, if they felt like talking about something else, that should be cool with you too, but the fact is, you’ll probably learn something if you actually ask questions and not be offended if those same questions are asked of your religion, or lack thereof

All in all, “do unto others” is pretty fucking simple, seems a shame to let it get lost in a book that many people say they are following, but clearly they are not…

i sometimes wonder if too many people saw that Ten Commandments movie and that’s all they thought was needed to know about christianity….

Posted 20 July, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, WP