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the missing mass of the universe? (weird science)   Leave a comment


i am no physics major by any stretch of the imagination so excuse me if this is just total crap… but …

i’ve noticed that gyroscopes are devices that tend to want to stay where they are, and that they achieve this by having some mass, that is part of its structure, in constant motion..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope

so on an atomic scale, with electrons in their “orbits” around their various neutrons and protons, as small as the mass of an electron is, does this electron motion around an atom, provide that same sort of gyroscopic stabilising effect?

making all atoms tend to want to stay in their current location because of this nearly massless electron orbiting about it?

could this be the apparently missing mass that is attributed to the theoretical Higgs boson – the “god” particle, if you will – that scientists are looking so hard to find in the LHC and at other particle physics laboratories??

Posted 13 November, 2011 by manabrau in Science

Jesus loves me, and I don’t care … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

religion is stupid, we know this because we often laugh at others who don’t fit in and who stick out like a sore thumb, or at the very least, we raise our eyebrows in bewilderment at people who are different to us. Like those people who dress up and mimic their heroes at movies (Star Wars movie premiers and Rocky Horror reruns etc) and fan conferences (Star Trek conventions) and those medieval weekends (Renaissance Festivals) where people dress up like they did in the middle ages and other time periods.

That’s what religion is, except people do it as part of their *real*lives*, like nutters who plunge into their full blown rants about how “Jesus is LORD” and how they praise god and how you just need to believe in Jesus or Allah or the Space Monkeys from Alpha Cygni 3 – and those nutters think that behaving like that is somehow acceptable…

Religion is just a place where people “dress up” and pretend to be “good” when the fact of the matter is, they would probably have been “good” people *anyway*, even without all the religious mumbo jumbo. In fact, they probably would be better people if not for religion.

And you know, people can have their god and their religion, that’s all okay and fine by me… but if you are going to try and spread your bullshit, you should be prepared to defend your bullshit as well if you are going to shove them in my face.

RELIGION IS LIKE CIGARETTE SMOKE

I don’t care about religion in much the same way that I don’t care about cigarette smoke, that is to say that i don’t care about it until it’s in my face when I’m trying to breathe. ie. I should not have to tell you to keep your smoke away from me, so when I turn around and give you a dirty look, don’t fucking stand there like a dumbarse with a look on your face that says “what did I do?” when you know damn fucking well that I’m turning blue in the face from not being able to breathe!

The point being, no matter how much you think your cultural or spiritual or personal habits do not seem to be bothering any of the dozens of other people directly around you, you should take it as a given that *somebody* does not like having to put up with you being an arrogant dick with your stupid fantasy bullshit, and that you should know damn fucking well that it is likely to be making other people uncomfortable and the reason why you put forward your religion all the time is to intimidate people, in the name of god (aka .. your ego) – and if you don’t realise your religion could possibly be making others uncomfortable then you are probably one of the people that can’t understand why atheists “rail” against religion ….

The only reason most people get away with being a prick with their religion, or any of their other selfish habits for that matter, is because most people are too polite to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

Religion is the “fad” that has hit critical mass where people are so used to having it around, they don’t bother telling idiotic religiotards to stop being stupid.

(UPDATE 1/11/2011: although I will concede a resurgence of christians telling christian-religiotards to put a sock in it, but only from Australian christians though, and given the sheer volume of content from the USA I am exposed to – I find US christians to be abysmally lacking in the department of “moderate” christians telling the religiously ridiculous to shut the fuck up. Instead, however, in the USA I have noticed a trend that by the time people are ready to be openly critical of christians, they have stopped calling themselves christians altogether and now refer to themselves as atheists)

And the end result of a fad that has hit critical mass is that your fad allows adults to embarrass themselves.

Religion is what it would be like if a Star Trek convention had so many people attend that the perimeter of people participating escaped the confines of the convention center and can now live on its own because it now has so many people doing Star Trek things that a feedback loop of Trekkerisms amongst the general population keeps the stories alive such that after a few decades, not many people realise that Star Trek was just a TV show.

Imagine if everyone based their morality on Star Trek? As well having *everyone* say things like “beam me up” and “Engage, Mr Crusher!” and everyone thought that wearing red shirts was bad luck and that the most popular drink was “Tea, Earl Grey. Hot” and every little girl wanted to be a communications officer like Uhura; and somehow Tiberius was a top ten ranking name for boys and people walked around giving praise to “The Picard”, just to name a few Trekkerisms?

Not saying that any of these things are bad, but the point is, what if people went around living in this Star Trek inspired society, but hadn’t even seen a single episode of it?

That is what religion is to most religious people, yeah sure people like Captain Picard or Captain Kirk or Spock or Jesus, but if you didn’t even watch the show, let alone actually enjoyed the message that it sends – Star Trek, especially Next Generation, set a very strong example of good morality in my opinion – then how can you really be a Trekker?

If you’d never seen an episode, then how could you possibly understand the message of morality that Star Trek sent? All you have is some weird fad that many people have been conditioned into liking and yet those people generally have no idea that the whole thing is just fantasy, which leads to “apologist” explanations as to why we are not flying around space right now like “we have forgotten how to fly in space and we now live in a ‘simpler’ time” ….

*facepalm*

US AND THEM……

But this whole us v them thing between non-believers and believers?

well, it is like the non-believing geeks trying to out-do the believing jocks at being popular …. you’ve probably seen Revenge of the Nerds, right?

it’s no wonder atheism is becoming a “religion”, it’s prudent for it to become such a thing, simply because the religious are too fucking stupid to understand the concept of *not* believing in “something”, to be able to understand how to reject it properly….

That’s right..

it may just be inevitable that atheism will dumb down its own “brand-name” due to people joining its ranks that need to readily identify with something in order for them to identify with ie. atheism lacks a *thing* that people can latch onto , which in turn would allow the religionuts to be “defeated” by something that they themselves can embrace.

This is happening already, with all the different “flavours” of atheism. “New Atheism” – “Militant Atheism” – “Christian Atheism” “Agnostic Atheism” … yes … christian atheism…. ahem … oh well … whatever makes you happy, I guess 😀

I think all these new groups of atheists may very well be people who have recently become atheists and have dumped their religion, but they still need to find something to rally around mentally. “Religion: without the supernatural calories“, perhaps? ..

It’s kind of like ice cream, a lot of people would not bother to have an ice cream if it was just plain vanilla ice cream. That is to say that, atheism, by itself, just isn’t shiny enough to stand on its own to grab the mind of a potential atheist. Which isn’t surprising really, because you have to bring your own knowledge and understanding to the atheism party, which might explain why people stick with their religion, at least it is something they can understand, even if they do have it wrong, if it is wrong, beliefs in god cant readily be thrown away as the existence of a god creature cant readily be excluded – eg. for me it is entirely possible this god creature made a blank empty infinite realm of nothingness and over a trillions to the power of trillions of years, this realm of nothingness has spawned billions of universes, all via the natural laws of the vast nothingness.

But for me, I can’t see why it is not enough to just support your country or the planet you live on, religion is grasping for straws that can’t be rejected because of how high and mighty it makes you feel, which in turn, will keep dividing us.

STELLAR NUCLEOSYNTHESIS FOR YOUR PET

Think of it this way: Imagine that in two thousand years, this time “Star Wars” is a big religion and there are all different factions of it (just like christianity has different sects and cults) with constant arguments over how The Force works, or whether Han drew first or not, or how Jabba the Hutt spells his name … and don’t think that is not possible, I’ve had a christian phundie go ballistic at me when I corrected him for incorrectly spelling Jabba’s name “Jabba the Hut” with only the one “t” in “Hutt”.

Seriously, you are better off explaining evolutionary theory or stellar nucleosynthesis to your pet cat than you are trying to explain science to a creationist. At least your pet would love you just for the attention you give it.

Instead of wasting your intellect upon people who are willingly intellectually challenged with their “god did it” mantras, non-believers should apply their intellect towards undermining what the believer is touting.

That’s right.. I’m saying that atheists using science and logic against the trivial aspects of the believers’ religion is like shooting fish in a barrel.

So instead of the non-believer trying to defend their position with science and logic, the non-believer should make the believer *defend* their application of *their* religion. If your position is so strong, why bother defending it if your opponent can’t grasp what you are saying?

ie. don’t try to explain how your science and logic are correct, try to explain how they have their religion wrong.

and I don’t mean “wrong” in the sense of how they believe in the lame crap like Noah’s ark and Adam and Eve and any of those other entirely unbelievably wrong stories; I mean in the regard that believers have missed the entire point of their religion.

So stop this “my position is better than your position” bullshit crap against each other – change tact – scrutinise the believer for *not* actually following what their precious religion says to do.

And in the case of christianity: Jesus taught that to get into heaven you need to give to the needy, in three gospels, so exactly who thinks they are going to get into heaven, when they have not done a single thing that would get them into heaven?

The fact that there is poverty in the world is irrefutable evidence that the Jesus from the bible does NOT exist. Either that or believers flatly refuse to “love thy neighbour” or are totally oblivious to what their precious Messiah actually and supposedly taught them.

Remember, “christian” means “christ-like” , well, it’s supposed to, so if you want to say you are christian, then I expect you to *be* christian, and being a christian means you give to the needy, and if there are needy people in this world, then that means that there are christians that aren’t doing what they need to be doing to get into heaven! So if there are needy people, then that means christians are not taking the whole give to the needy so they are not going to this heaven, even if it does exist.

Being a christian is impossible, if the non-believer is so inclined to argue about religion with the religidiculous, then hit them where it hurts the most, point out all the crap that people are doing but aren’t supposed to do, or worse still, point out all the good things they are *not* doing.

Have a look at how hard it is to be a christian:

* You can’t be judgemental. (Mat 7:1) * You have to sell all your stuff and give all that money to the needy (if you want to go to heaven that is). (Luke 18:22
Mark 10:21 Mat 19:21) * You can’t brag about being a believer. (Mat 6:5) * You can’t brag about being generous. (Mat 6:1) * you can’t commit idolatry or adultery. (ten commandments) * You can’t lie. * You can’t steal. * you can’t pray in public (Mat 6:6) * You can’t lust after your neighbour’s possessions or their partner. * You can’t know who the anti-christ is. * You don’t know when Jesus Christ will return and blah blah blah blah

Our entire society is judgemental – greed is rampant – “christians” insist on telling us they are christian all the fucking time – the point being is that it is a very long list of things that you can call-out the believer on, without even going anywhere near science and logic.

You will get your message across faster if you argue on their level. And it doesn’t hurt to speak to christians as if their stories are true.

Imagine arguing with your cat. You can speak to your blue in the face, but your cat can not possibly grasp any scientific notions and logical reasoning on a complex level, so why bother? If you want to argue with a cat, you need to speak its language. But since felinese is quite the difficult language to master, just meowing at your cat, even if you don’t know the meaning, will be sufficient communications with your cat, since it would probably ignore everything you had to say anyway.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF THIS TOWN….

well, so fucking what if he is? keep that religious shit to yourself.

let me say it again, the entire point of Jesus and his christianity (which was allegedly called “The Way” back in his time) was to teach people to be nice to each other, to teach them to be “good” people, right?

so how the fuck does Jesus being LORD make you a good person?

it does not and it *can* not make you a good person, because only *you* can make you a good person or not.

* Just saying “Praise Jesus” or some other neat little phrase doesn’t make you a good person. * Saying a prayer every night doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to preach the gospel doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to spread the word, does not make you a good person. * Telling people they are going to hell does not make you a good person, in fact that last one, well, it makes you fucktarded.

That is what Free Will is all about, the one thing we do get to control in life, is whether we are good or evil. You can choose to be a dick or not. You can choose do nothing or do something, and doing nothing, can quite often be the most evil thing to (not) do.

Only the good example you set via your actions can make you are a good person, and even then, it’s not you that gets to declare whether you are a good person or not, anyway.

Which leads to the point of why the religious should keep their religious views to themselves.

It is only other people that get to decide whether you are worthy of this label that you “christians” choose to bestow upon yourself. You don’t get to declare yourself to be like Jesus Christ by simply declaring that you are christian…

Call yourself a christian or a muslim or whatever other religious cult you feel like if you want to, but if you don’t live up to the good qualities that those belief systems supposedly project, then you are better off not mentioning that you are religious at all, and that includes not getting upset when your religious values are offended, especially when the central message of your religion is one of peace and tolerance, and how you supposedly forgive those that trespass against you, right?

So if you say to me that Jesus is LORD, I will consider your statement to be *bragging* that you believe in Jesus and bragging that you believe in Jesus is bragging that you are christian and bragging that you are christian is bragging that you are a good person and bragging that you are a good person, automatically makes me *doubt* your sincerity about being a good person because **nothing** you believe in makes you a good person, how can it?

Your actions define whether you are good or not, so saying that you follow some religion, doesn’t make you a good person, *ever*.

eg. Bragging that Jesus Christ is LORD doesn’t make you a good person any more than knowing that energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, makes you smart.

What does it even *mean* that Jesus Christ is LORD? *show* me how that makes you a good person!!!

This is the basis of why people should avoid committing idolatry, because what you say and what you do are TWO different things. eg. if you say you are a good person, that means nothing, but if you actually do good things, then that makes you a good person so if you go around saying that you are a good christian when clearly you are not – then that is idolatry because you are worshiping a false Jesus. (why this is idolatry is elaborated upon below at *** )

‘WESTERN’ RELIGION… IS NEARLY 100% IDOLATRY

Just saying that someone needs to believe in Jesus is idolatry, because just believing in Jesus, like I have said repeatedly here, doesn’t make you a good person, because being a good person is what Jesus wanted you to *do*, if we are to believe the point of the stories in the bible.

I know this will sound utterly ridiculous, but you have to *BE* a good person to actually *BE* a good person!! Just saying that you are christian, does not magically make you a good person, and you are fucking up-yourself if you think that it does.

You don’t see me going around acting like I am *better* than everyone else just because I “know” some arbitrary thing, now do you? ie. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, but you don’t see me bragging about it, seeing how it’s such an obvious “fact”, you know, like how your particular version of your god just happens to be a “fact” as well?

Because that is exactly what you are saying when you try to say that you believe in Jesus, you are saying to me that you are better than me because of one little arbitrary thing, and even if you genuinely don’t mean to say that you are better than me by professing that you believe in Christ, then that’s just too fucking bad, because that is how I hear your religious mumbo jumbo anyway.

Christianity has put itself up on a pedestal and somehow that makes you better than those who don’t believe.

This troubles me deeply.

Especially when all “christians” do is talk about how they are christian … that’s not being christian, that’s just *saying* you are christian, these are TWO different things.

And it should be especially noted here that it was the people insisting upon telling me to believe in Jesus, that were the fucktards who put me off believing in Jesus in the first place. I already believed in Jesus, but it was people taking one look at me and assuming that I didn’t believe in Jesus and telling me that I needed him, that broke the back of christianity for me. judge not lest thee be judged yourself much?

Practice what you preach or get the fuck out but at any rate I am glad they did, this way I wasn’t sucked into the whole “Jesus loves everyone” fucking bullshit that nobody *actually* follows – sure they say they follow Jesus … but when push comes to shove – they shove back when they are supposed to sit there and be non-violent.

RELIGION ITSELF IS A LIE and yet THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS? ….

The way I see religion, is that you are making it out to be such that *you* are making those bible stories out to be true, and further more, you are demanding that other people also believe that these untrue stories be considered as true as well, merely because *you* say they are true.

ahem. who the fuck are you? You are nobody – not one person on this earth can make me believe in anything – sure I might say something, to make you piss-the-fuck-off but I don’t have a problem with lying to people who are demanding that I believe in *their* lies!

That’s what the religious want when they try to convert or pass along their religion, they do not give a fuck about actually spreading the message of good will, they try to spread their religion so as to make it into an affirmation of their own faith. Which is kind of like talking to yourself in the mirror, telling yourself that you are pretty or that you are handsome.

This would be no different to me going around to people’s houses on a Saturday morning telling people that they should “Trust in The Force”. I don’t give a fuck if you believe in The Force or not, the only reason I would be telling people to believe in The Force, is to reinforce my own beliefs of believing in The Force. If I tell someone about The Force, and they accept The Force, then that’s a win for me as it props up my ego. If I tell someone about The Force and the tell me to fuck off, that *also* props up my belief in The Force because I’m so obsessed with it that anybody ragging on it, would just make me even more determined to spread the word about The Force.

Well, that’s how religious nuts come across to me. They aren’t following what Jesus taught, so clearly they only spread the word to reinforce their own beliefs. Kind of like those people that love to hear themselves talk. I’m a pretty-girl/handsome-boy – kind of like a parrot.

You may think that what you believe in is true, but this does not make it so. The bible is a story and therefore it is a *lie*, and while it may not be a lie in the sense that it was a lie told with malicious intent, but the point is that Star Wars is also a story and all stories are made up, no matter how good of a story it is.

So even if I believed Star Wars was actually real, nothing gives me the right to even begin to try and sell this story as if it were fact, because as soon as I try to make that story true, when it is not true, then that story then becomes a lie.

therefore: all religion is a lie because of the believers themselves who try to spread their religion.

Q) what do you do if you don’t want your little stories to be considered lies?

A) Don’t fucking try to sell them to me!

The logic is quite simple, and only someone who is willingly ignorant and willingly arrogant would continue to try and “spread the word” once they had been told to take it some place else.

So in the spirit of not putting forward anachronistic stories as “truth”, the religious should keep their religious views to themselves because there is bound to be somebody that doesn’t share those views, or rather, there are bound to be people who don’t share your point of view that might resent your proselytising about being a good christian while at the same time you’re also being a judgemental hypocritical prick of a bastard, not to mention that stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t – is a *lie* – and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments from that Moses guy, by the way.

The fact of the matter is that *most* people are decent enough at being human beings by default, so being religious makes no difference to being “good”, except that the non-believer doesn’t go around bragging that they believe in some intangible thing that somehow makes them “good” like the religious fucktards do incessantly.

The non-believer is more inclined to be a good person for the sake of being a good person, the non-believer is not compelled to think that doing good is going to see them rewarded with the gift of eternal life in heaven. Remember the Good Samaritan tale, where even the faithful person would not lend a hand to the injured man lying at the side of the road?

The point being is that unless you truly follow what your faith teaches, then it’s best that you not brag about being faithful. So in the case of christians, you’ve got a very difficult task ahead of yourself to actually be considered a christian, so if you are going to brag about being a christian, then I expect you to be very much Christ-like.

I personally don’t call myself christian, because:

*) I can’t refrain from judging people who demand that I accept them as being a good person, when they are clearly *not* good people
*) I don’t help out just any person in need, I am wary of people taking advantage of my generous nature
*) I don’t unconditionally love everyone, especially when people that have proven themselves untrustworthy
*) I’m only forgiving to a certain extent
*) I’m not selfless all the time
*) I don’t turn the other cheek once you have crossed the line
*) I don’t give someone my jacket as well when they demand my coat, especially if they are ungrateful
*) I refuse to love my enemies, if you are my enemy then that is for very good reason
*) I won’t let people hurt me nor let people hurt others and get away with it
*) I am not willing to die to avoid hurting others, especially if they are hurting me.

These qualities are all the opposite of what you would expect to find in Jesus, so I don’t even bother to try and live up to them, therefore: I do not pretend to be christian, because I expect christians to be like Jesus with his “love everyone” mantra.

It’s like bragging that you are smart, but then when somebody asks you a question and you don’t know the answer, you look like a dickhead and say “Oh I’m not smart in *that* field of discussion!!”

Same with bragging about being a christian, unless you are willing to die for me; willing to “love” me even if I try to kill you by nailing you to a cross; unless you forgive me for every heinous act I could possibly enact upon you, then you shouldn’t be bragging that you are a christian.

Not saying that I would do horrible things to you, but it is the principal of the concept. Being christian, means you are supposed to be Christ like. So unless you are willing to go through the same sort of crap as you might have seen in “The Passion” then you shouldn’t be bragging about how much you are like Christ by telling everyone that you are christian…

I think of christians in much the same way one would consider Padawan learners (a Jedi in training), if you are a Padawan, you don’t go around saying you are a Jedi yet and if you do, your Master will remind you that you are still a Padawan and that Jedi are humble. In the same regard, christians should not brag about being christian unless they are truly selfless and Christ-like, and if they were truly selfless and christ-like, then they would never mention that they are christian in the first place, at the very least, it should not be an unsolicited admission. ie. don’t talk about your religion unless you are asked to talk about it, because if you were christian, your christianity should show via your actions.

So if you are going to say that you are christian and tout your views, that’s fine, but one should expect to be challenged when these “christian” views are put forward, because stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t, is a *lie*, and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments, by the way. Yes I said that already.

believe in whatever you want, but if you believe in something that says “be nice” or “don’t lie”, then I expect you to follow those rules, if you can’t do that, then keep your religion to yourself, because it is rude to pretend that you are a good person.

IDOLATRY ….. AGAIN

Believers should be aware that using things to lend credence to their religion is idolatry.

A blatant example that might not be so blatant for those not looking for it could be briefly expressed by the following phrase:

“Just because your god made the universe, that doesn’t automatically make you a good person.”

Let me elaborate upon this:

god making the universe – as grandiose a task as it is to make everything that us mere mortals know about – is a pathetically boring and mundane task for a god. Which might explain our universe if the christian/hebrew/muslim god truly did make it in six days – god had like a gazillion years to make and plan our universe – but it would seem to be a rushed job …. I saw a comic about that recently at Two Leaf Clover …

The point being is that god making the universe is just some arbitrary fact about your god – and a fact is a thing, so if you believe in god because it did this random thing, in this case, making the universe, then you are using that *thing* to prop up your beliefs. You use this thing, this idea you have that god made the universe, to help you believe in god… and many people *do* believe in god in general terms (ie. not just christians) because for their minds their is no way the universe can exist without some higher power being involved at some point in the construction process.

and you know – good for you if you want to believe in that sort of stuff – but if that is *all* you do when you believe in the christian Jesus/god and you aren’t following what your precious messiah said to *do* to get into heaven – then why call yourself a christian or a good person?

What makes you a good person, is actually *being* a good person, and if you claim that following your religion makes you a good person, then you had better show us that you are, otherwise you are bound to be called out on your bullshit.

*** If you can’t show that you are a good person, and yet you claim to follow the Jesus from the bible, then you’ve made up your own Jesus. And clearly, if you have made up your own Jesus, no matter if this Jesus is mostly based on the one from the bible, then you are committing idolatry, because if you follow a Jesus that somehow lets you be a prick some of the time, then that is not the Jesus from the bible, so you are worshiping a false Jesus.. ie. a false god… thou shalt not worship false gods much?

I encountered a very hostile “christian” recently who was nothing but rude and condescending, who would hit-on every female in the discussion forum, and yet he maintained that he was a good christian, simply because he loved his wife.

To that fucktard I would say .. “No, you stupid prick, you do not believe in the Jesus from the bible, you have made up your own version of Jesus that sees you love this one person and yet allows you to be a prick to every one else – *clearly* that is a false Jesus as the JC from the bible said to love everyone, so you are worshiping a false god, and that breaks your precious first commandment”

I didn’t bother actually explaining this to him – as he was clearly far too stupid to understand. But many “christians” act like this. Some try to make up science based on their bible – but if you need real life confirmation of what’s in the bible, then I find your lack of faith … disturbing.

The easiest place to commit idolatry, is right there in your mind – where you can make up your own versions of Jesus that resemble the Christ from the bible, but are clearly not the Jesus from the bible, seeing how much of a prick you are to everyone who doesn’t worship the ground *you* walk on……

TO SUM MY RELIGIOUS REJECTION ALL UP

I first “rejected” religion in preference to reality when I was very young, it was something to do with dinosaurs, I’m sure, because I had read in the bible, or was told that the bible says that the world was thousands of years old – but then I read about dinosaurs – and dinosaurs weren’t just a few thousand more years older, so the age of the world as indicated by the bible isn’t just a little bit off, dinosaurs are ten thousand *times* older than the bible and its six thousand year “history” had described. In terms of percentages, the Earth’s age according to the bible, is only 0.01% of the time since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. That’s not just a little bit off. That’s a bit like thinking you can launch a rocket into space with a bottle of lighter fluid.

I remember saying to someone at a very young age when talking about dinosaurs “so, that means that the bible is wrong?” and the reply was “pretty much!” … I wonder who that was?

I also remember being in Sunday school once (maybe twice) and the Catholic Sister was telling the class some thing that I thought was utterly hilarious, but before I laughed out loud, I looked around to see who else was laughing… nobody was laughing, they were all paying attention to this bullshit that was being told. I don’t remember going to Sunday school that many times…

Later in life I tried to reconcile that whole bible thing and its six days as meaning six billion years – but I remember not being convinced that I needed to be convinced that religious gods were a fabrication by that stage.

science was just so much more interesting and fascinating than this grandiose god story that seemed to be so full of holes – like Noah’s ark – I remember reading about that in the bible – and that was the end of my bible reading because I went off on a tangent at that point and went looking for corroborating evidence about this “Ark” – I clearly remember watching a documentary “In Search Of… Noah’s Flood narrated by Leonard Nimoy” too, about the search for Noah’s ark … but that set me off on even more quests for knowledge!!!

So Noah and his Ark was just the first hole in the armor broken and I didn’t really bother with christianity/church much from there … but I did learn that “Jesus loves everyone” very early on, but that was pretty much it ….

So basically the only thing I learned was that Jesus loved everyone, so you can imagine just how ticked off that people calling themselves christian did not love everyone. In fact, I’m pretty sure at one stage that I considered christianity and the catholic church to be two different things.

At some stage in my teens I noted that there were multiple churches – and then I read that “my” Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England (Protestants) split up and that many people died in all of this split – so I figured that why would I follow something that the church itself can’t follow? I had also seen Monty Python’s Life of Brian by then so religion became cannon fodder early on as to how stupid it was. I clearly remember cursing people to hell for the most trivial of things for decades – of course I don’t mean it – so as a reflex action, I mock the concept of the often arbitrary definition of “sin” and how that supposedly results in an eternity in hell – my favourite is damn people to hell for interrupting my listening to ABBA.

Then I went through the whole I hate god thing – but god turned out to be my ego and then god died like an imaginary friend that you notice that you don’t believe in any more suddenly one day after fifteen years of not thinking about it! … And by that time my biggest dilemma with god was that I kept saying “god this” and “god that” – so I got around that by considering that every time I used the term “god” – I was referring to the universe. Which I later found out is “pantheism” (god is everything, everything is god) … which is very close to the Jedi and The Force, with its all encompassing energy field that surrounds us and binds the universe together. (our universe’s size is pretty much defined by how far energy radiating from it has traveled, an all encompassing field of energy defines our universe, and as it turns out, our universe is mostly energy)

So now I’m at the “yes religion is stupid, but so what?” stage …

So finally to summarise

When speaking to an overly religious person, who doesn’t really follow their religion in the first place (oxymoron==true), telling them some “thing” about their precious religion is irrelevant – they don’t give a crap about some mundane little part of the story – they don’t even care about the whole point of their religion!!

it’s like saying Star Wars isn’t cool, to a Star Wars “fan” that has never seen any of the movies

“I don’t care what you think about Star Wars, I still like it!” (but has never seen any of the movies)

“I don’t care what you think about Jesus, I still believe in Jesus!” (has not read the bible nor has done anything for the needy)

So belief in a christian god, is merely a crutch, to help you deal with the myriad of complexities in your life.

But that isn’t necessarily a bad thing because beliefs *can* be inspiring, but they can also be detrimental.

So if one is to believe in god, one should actually aspire to the (good) goals represented by this god, but if this god is your own personal god, then feel free to make it *all* up, but if you want to be christian, then there is already a whole bunch of stuff laid out that you need to do in order to call yourself christian …

while i may not believe in a “god”, I believe, or at least, I want to believe, that human science will result in our achieving some measure of immortality for everyone and that we will know a hell of a lot of stuff about the universe if we can stick around for another thousand years, probably enough to get us off this rock and spread across the galaxy – but none of these levels of greatness that humans may achieve will ever mean that god does not exist

how can human achievement ever out do god? if humans can defeat god somehow, then that is because humans didn’t set the bar high enough when they defined this “god” that is suddenly able to be replaced by humans.

while I may not believe that our “spirits” will ascend to some higher plain of existence, I do believe that it is possible that one day our consciousnesses will be transferable to some sort of computing device, giving us a virtual “ascension” into the “network” and as long as the network survives, you will be immortal … who knows, maybe this is how we’ll explore the galaxy, we upload a copy of ourselves to some sort of space probe and we would live our virtual lives roaming the galaxy, perhaps at first setting up communication relay stations here and there about the galaxy.

i also believe that one day, we’ll figure out quantum entanglement too, so those relay stations I just mentioned would be capable of instant communications across light years of space, so not only could you upload yourself to this space probe, you could interact instantaneously back with the “real” you, or in fact you could interact with other copies of yourself, seeing how your real body died tens of thousands of years beforehand.

so in that sense, my belief is also a crutch, because right now, everything that I believe in, is still somewhat based in fantasy. I would guess that most people have beliefs that are warm and fuzzy but not necessarily the complete truth as well.

But for me, without that belief system in place, existence would seem rather pointless, because if we’re just here to go around in fucking circles and “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it” like the religiotards would have us do, then we’re just going to end up killing ourselves whilst competing for resources and if that is the direction where we are most definitely going, then there really *is* no point in existing as your actions in the here and now really *would* be pointless without a hopeful future on the horizon.

Which incidentally, is what the online religidiots (rhymes with village-idiots) tell us anyway: “if we don’t believe in god then our existence is pointless.”

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mostly written…. 24th June 2011, mostly…. most of the blogs I have written of late end up blowing out to almost novel lengths, so I give in … you will have to suffer my long rants if you want to read as I can not be fucked trimming them down to page sized rants any more…

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it takes more faith, to not have faith…. (religion v science)   Leave a comment

Believers have it easy because it takes more “faith”, to *not* have faith, because if you are a believer with faith in god, then “god” is the answer for everything which you don’t understand, or more likely, don’t *want* to understand, but that’s okay, because a lot of knowledge is utterly useless if you don’t know what to do with it anyway, so why bother learning anything intricate if it doesn’t really have any application in the here and now for you? there are smarter people in the world, besides you anyway, so it’s a good bet you’d waste being smart anyway!

but now, take the non-believer: they don’t get to palm explanations off to a god, so the non-believer requires more “faith” in their own abilities to use their own judgement and understanding of the universe to be able to encounter life as a non-believer than it does to just have faith and think that “god did it” and thereby have all answers for all the big questions about life the universe and everything already….

imagine being a believer and looking up at the sky and thinking “wow! isn’t it great how god stops the sky from falling on me?” and then there’s the poor non-believer who looks at the sky and has to go through all of that thinking “wow, isn’t it amazing that the earth’s gravity keeps the heavier elements like nitrogen, oxygen and carbon closer to the surface of the earth in such abundance that I am thus able to breathe this atmosphere?”

think of how much easier gravity, special relativity, quantum entanglement and many other complicated scientific fields could be if you just ran with the knowledge that they are all part of god’s handiwork, so why think about that complicated stuff at all when god did it?

“Bah! Quantum mechanics! who cares about that stuff, god did it!”

if my faith in a god was supposed to explain the universe, then why think about any of it *any* further, doesn’t thinking about it further just demonstrate that I don’t believe in god? Why do I need to keep going on about what god has done if I actually had faith?

that’s where many believers are being dicks, as it amazes me how many people try to use their own pseudo-religio-science to explain the universe, whereas if they really had faith in their god, they would just let go of trying to use their scriptures to explain everything and just have faith that their god *is* the answer, because, after all, the whole point of being religious is *not* to look for signs and proof that god exists and then tell everyone “hey look! here’s proof of god!” …

the point of having faith, after all, is to teach that religious person how to be a moral and well meaning person, right?

NON-BELIEVERS HAVE GOT IT HARD

but in the case of the non-believer, do they not need to possess more “faith” in their understanding of the universe in order to explain the universe? it’s not like as a non-believer you can just go “oh Einstein figured that out” and that’s the end of that, no… the non-believer is expected to at least be of the understanding that what they know, could very well be wrong.

seriously, to be a non-believer, if you can’t just shove “god did it” out there as an answer to something, you are going to have to think about it and then you have to have “faith” in your answer to be able to go on with life, I mean, you’ve got to know exactly what makes teh sun rise when you don’t believe that “god did it”, right? … you gotta know why teh sky is blue, otherwise it will just fall down upon you, right?

the sciency people..

Q. why is the sky blue?!?
A. because of the atmosphere!
Q. how?
A. because the molecules of air, scatter blue light in all directions
Q. how?
A. because the frequency of redder light is such that it can pass through the air relatively unimpeded, but the bluer light has just the right frequency such that the size of the air molecules, effectively makes the air a prism that can scatter light that is bluer.
Q. how?
A. go read up on it yourself, i don’t know anymore than that

the god-did-it people

Q. why is the sky blue?
A. that’s how god made it

or … ***OR*** … you could just say “I don’t know!” and then just be fucking happy that it doesn’t really matter in the here and now about how the sun rises, you just need to go by the evidence, that it *does*

so scratch the topic of the blog …. because in fact, it takes far *less* faith to just say “I don’t know”, you can then move on to more important things, that actually matter, or maybe it takes more faith to just let the whole thing go by saying “i don’t know?” ??

now i am confused – LOL – but I don’t care …

but more or less, when it comes to my understanding of the universe, i had to work at getting to that level of understanding in the first place, and in turn, i have faith in my understanding of how the universe evolved, but I am fully aware that it is probably wrong, but that’s the *fun* of science, and I am welcome to change my mind about my “faith”, unlike the religious, who aren’t supposed to be changing their minds about shit, seeing how their holy books were written centuries ago….

right?

god is perfect, right? things that are perfect don’t need to change because if they did, they would no longer be perfect.

Posted 21 October, 2011 by manabrau in atheism, Christianity, god, Religion Sux Arse, Science

more important things to spend money on at home, than on space travel? (science v idiots)   Leave a comment


I often here people complain in space exploration forums that there are more important things to spend our money on than running around the solar system checking out stuff for no other reason than to see if there is stuff there to check out.

well, maybe there is, but I find the whole notion of people questioning whether we should be spending money on space travel to be offensively hypocritical.

Don’t people realise that eventually, there will be no more room on Earth for all of us?

Don’t kid yourself if you think we can or *should* just keep building.

Population levels will not back off from falling because as our technology and medicine become cheaper, and more and more people will live longer, but the problem with that is there isn’t enough space to feed and house them without turning massive amounts of land into agricultural land to feed us and more land, probably vertically, into residential spaces, to house us.

But at some point, there will be too many people to be supported by the available agricultural land so food we will need to be artificially “grown” by scientific means…

But do you see where that is heading … ? ….

… artificiality ….

Personally, I’m an indoors person, but to think of our forests being cut down, not being able to breathe fresh air, so do we really want to turn our planet into one big city (aka ecumenopolis) and eat food that has been grown in labs?

Or do we want to spread out into the galaxy so that we can let the earth repair itself, like a planetary park, that families would visit for the weekend like they do these days when they visit Yellowstone National Park or Daintree Rainforest ??

we currently have the technology to send probes to the stars local to us. *yes* we do, *yes* they would cost trillions of dollars, and *yes* they would take hundreds of years to get there, and *yes* it would then take decades to ‘beam’ anything useful back, but by that time, we may just *need* to start planning to move off this planet in a couple of hundred years, so if we start *now*, we may be actually able to do something before the population hits critical mass and we run out of food/water/space/air/etc….

and who knows, there very well could be a nice little earth sized planet around Proxima Centauri with it’s own really powerful magnetic field to shield it from any flare ups from our closest interstellar neighbour… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri

what’s that? what a waste of money? there are more important things to spend money on, right here on earth?

of course there are, but if we’re going to waste money on bullshit, what’s with all the money that has been spent on useless wars?

the Americans have spent a trillion dollars on the Iraqi / Afghan war, see page 19 of this report for a nice graph, it’s a PDF

http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/id/dips/dips_2010.pdf

but here it is

(it’s so much easier to find information on USA government spending than it is on Australian government spending, even our own government lists off pretty graphs of other countries spending’s before they do the same for the Australian – *sigh*)

it’s cost Australians about $130 dollars each as of 2008 (total $3 billion spent)
as of 2010, it’s cost about $3000+ for each person in the USA, for what?

and this time, I’ll refrain from mentioning that not only was the Iraqi war based on a lie, but legend has it, that it was Jesus himself that told George W Bush to invade in the first place.

yeah, so if there are so much more important things to spend our money upon here on earth, then you can start fucking spending money on them or you can shut the fuck up

Posted 18 October, 2011 by manabrau in astronomy, iraq, sci-fi, Science, war

what you are babbling about is beside the point of your religion … (religiorant)   Leave a comment


if someone tries to argue for christianity against an atheist with their lack of beliefs, the points of contention are usually nothing to do with christianity’s central message of “love thy neighbour”, the atheist should be using this to their advantage.

Instead of bamboozling believers by pointing out their logical fallacies or even how they have their “science” or “history” wrong, i ask them what does this they are prattling on about have to do with being the good moral person that christianity supposedly teaches them to be? ..

i mean, the point of JC’s teachings were to get people to be nice to each other at all times, right?

so what does “god making the universe”, “just believing in Jesus”, “saying prayers in public”, “teaching intelligent design”, “having ‘in god we trust’ on the money”, “going to church”, “just reading the bible”, “Jesus being a real person”, “worrying about others going to heaven or hell”, “abortions”, “things being miracles”, “god sending natural disasters as punishment”, “gay marriage and homosexuals in general”, “the bible being historically and/or scientifically accurate” and the myriad of other things that they prattle on about, what do all those things have to do with being the good person that christians often claim that being a christian makes them?

i find trying to relate with believers with science or logic to be a waste of time, it’s much easier to relate to them on their level, don’t get me wrong, knowing all the logical fallacies, languages, science and history is great, but trying to use them in an argument with believers (especially fundies), well, the whoosh factor on the believer is very high.

i mean, many don’t even understand their bible, so instead wasting your time arguing your point from your point of view, it’s a lot easier to just boil the whole argument down to the basic message of what christianity is about, and then arguing that christians should be showing tolerance, and acceptance for all their fellows humans, not bickering about “things”

i think this is the whole point of not committing idolatry, because when people worry too much about “things” to do with their religion, they end up not doing the actions that their religion has supposedly taught them to do, the very actions that supposedly make them a good person, but how can one claim to be a good person by doing nothing at all.

mostly written, 21st June 2011 …. mostly

Posted 13 October, 2011 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, history, jesus, Science

scientists are the true prophets of god… (religion v science)   Leave a comment

RELIGION v SCIENCE

i love it when fundies say

“pffft!! the universe can’t have come from *nothing*!! what blasphemy do you speak!!!” …

AHEM!!! but that’s exactly what they say that their god supposedly did, except *god* did it with *magic*.. wait hang on! isn’t MAGIC supposed to be EVIL? thou shalt not suffer a witch to live? ooooohhhh? it’s okay because it’s *god* – god is allowed to do magic! fucking hypocrites!

but is that the source of the feelings of aversion to science from the religiously paralysed?

does science, somehow ultimately displace their precious god?

do natural explanations for everything in the universe just frack with their heads so much they go into shock upon thinking of the enormity of the universe? that all of “This” is possible without the need for some dude who is going to give you eternal life? that if science is *true*, does that mean that there is no god, and that there is *NO* life after this one?

is that why science is such a threat to “god”??

hello to all you small minded creatures out there, you lot out there, yeah you, talking to you, *especially* you in the “I love Jesus” teeshirt, yeah I’m talking to you, you are committing the ultimate sin in doubting your god!

just because the universe came about naturally, it does not mean that your god doesn’t exist…

did you not consider that your precious god made all the empty space the universe is expanding into? that it made gravity “work”? that it made our whole entire dimension? that it made existence itself, such that the literal nothing of space then went on to spawn the universe, *naturally* because *GOD* made it that way?!?!??

did it not occur to you to think big enough to realise that this god of yours made the natural laws of the universe, and from those natural “laws”, the universe spawned itself from *nothing* because *that* is just how *clever* your god is??

“Check out the big brain on Brett! You’re a smart motherfucker!”
–[Pulp Fiction]

if fundies took the time to actually understand this crazy notion of “science”, they might begin to understand just how petty and insignificant they make their god out to be… god made the universe you say? what a PETTY and IRRELEVANT task for a GOD!

If anything, making the universe would have been such trivial a task for a god, that it probably would have outsourced the whole operation, which would explain all the flaws in the creation.

but if your god *does* exist and it did have a hand in directly creating the universe, well it also just happened to make a fuck load of stuff that is beyond your limited scope and field of vision

Horatio: Oh day and night, but this is wondrous strange!

Hamlet: And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

–[Shakespeare, “Hamlet” Act 1. Scene V]

but here’s the thing….

seeing how this god supposedly made the universe, aren’t we scientists the true disciples of god? the true *prophets* telling “stories” about what we think is happening in the universe, and if the universe is the will of god, then isn’t the scientist a holy priest in being able to understand the nature of god’s creation?

oh *what* blasphemy, indeed!

the ancient prophets theorised about the will and nature of god, right? *they* were the thinkers of the day back then, *they* were the ones who were able to first try to describe the nature and will of the gods… they made up these prophecies from visions, observations, and voices speaking to them, right?

look at astrology – was this not a “science” in it’s heyday?

if god made the universe, then the scientists of *today* are not only prophets theorising about the will and nature of god from visions (theories, computer simulations etc), empirical scientific observations, and the voices in their heads, you know, the same voices we *all* have in our heads, the *same* voices in the heads of the ancient prophets that no matter what they came up with, was the “science” of the day, at least these days, popular opinion isn’t the driving force behind science *these* days…

BUT! Not only that, these prophets in this day and age, aka scientists, are also able to deliver the *salvations* needed to save our worthless butts, instead of just useless tales of vagueness and pointlessness that are subject to wild interpretations, stories that are only useful for people who want to argue those interpretations…

there would be no progress if not for science, we’d still be swinging through the trees, religion has RETARDED our progress just recently…

if not for science, plagues would kill us all, even the common cold could result in death, if not for medicines.. shit, you could kick your toe or break a nail and it could get infected and you’d have to have your arm or leg cut off if not for medicine… shit, even having your arm cut off with a saw could count as “medical science”, if that’s all that was available to save your life!

the *real* blasphemy in this day and age, is the ignorance shown towards science.

and *not* knowing something is cool too, ya know??

xtian: how did the universe start?
me: shit man! i dunno!
xtian: what about god?
me: pffft!!! whatever floats your boat man!

using “god” as an answer for something is like skipping over to the cartoons when something too complicated to understand is on the Discovery Channel…. if you’d stick around and pay attention for just a little while, you might just end up being shown a way to make you understand, and you know, if you still don’t understand………don’t worry about!!……..

it can take *years* for even the smartest people to grasp concepts, that in retrospect, seem elementary.

seriously, as an example of a modern day scientific prophet, think of Einstein, he would be a prophet of science, right? a lot of his theories were totally useless to us in a practical sense until just recently… so in his day, a lot of people would have said “yeah sure buddy!” … same with a lot of the sciences we discover… we find one little thing, and then that leads to the next and yadda yadda yadda but often nothing useful can be done with these discoveries for a *long* time.

scientists often dedicate their whole lives to their chosen field of science, and science is often a thankless task, with the results of their work, often not realised in their time.

is this not altruism? selflessness? to work toward a goal that you may not even see in your lifetime?

is that not what your precious Jesus taught you? to be selfless? to put your heart and soul towards the bettering of humanity?

*that* is what science is about

what are *you* doing to spread the gospel that is science? what are you doing to improve your knowledge of this creation of god?

and the universe is pretty fucking big, do you honestly think that humans can possibly even come close to knowing all that god has placed before us?

maybe god set us this task to become smart enough to get off this rock before some asteroid comes along and wipes us out?

maybe the *dinosaurs* had every chance to become a loving and peaceful society, but instead chose to be a savage bunch of animals thinking only of themselves in a blood lust of eating raw flesh? were they a species that *deserved* to be made extinct?

it’s entirely possible that dinosaurs were just a low level species of limited sentience that just never bothered to evolve to be better “people”, and if they had evolved into a more tolerant society, then they would regard the dinosaurs that we know of today, in the same regard that we hold Neanderthals…

so is the story of Noah’s ark, just a convoluted explanatory metaphor of how the dinosaurs were wiped out, with the “ark” being those species that were resilient enough to adapt to the new conditions, that they were able to do unto others as they would want others to do unto them in a spirit of co-operation that enabled them to move forward as a species and prosper????

hmmm… is the whole reason why we are here, because our ancient mammalian ancestors were able to band together to fight off the hostiles, even as the species we were a 100million years ago? is that where our built-in need to be together stems from?

and has our evolution, in our coming together, was that just a practical way to keep warm?

did our species develop compassion because of an inbuilt need to share heat in times of glacial dominance?

so *how* fracking small is your god if you don’t “believe in” science and all the possibilities it can give us? how offensive do you think it is to your god that *you* think *humans* can come anywhere near to the glory of infinite knowledge and power that is god via the means of science?

sheesh! every step we take, reveals that we need to take more steps, to get to the next steps.

so how dare you commit such blasphemy and deny the embrace of science, when science describes the nature and will of god by studying the only evidence there is of god, the universe itself.

don’t believe in science? then you are a SINNER!

#scienceFTW

Posted 1 December, 2010 by manabrau in god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, Science

the virtual you … (religion v science)   Leave a comment

RELIGION v SCIENCE
the virtual you …

The human brain contains roughly 300 megabytes of information. Not much when you get right down to it. The question isn’t how to store it, it’s how to access it. You can’t download a personality. There’s no way to translate the data. But the information being held in our heads is available in other databases. People leave more than footprints as they travel through life…. medical scans, dna profiles, psych evaluations, school records, emails, recording, video, audio, cat scans genetic typing, synaptic records, security cameras, test results, shopping records, talent shows, ball games, traffic tickets, restaurant bills, phone records, music lists, movie tickets, tv shows… even prescriptions for birth control.–[Zoe Graystone]

is there currently enough information out there about you already such that in the near future, could an accurate “simulation” of *you* could be created?

a *virtual* you?

could you end up being a set of variables running around in some program? you would be a program itself, a process running on some computer, perhaps even across dozens or hundreds of computers

is it possible to make that information come “alive” right now? could you have all the information about you, live on after you? imagine the day after you died, your first blog entry would be something about having died the previous day… “I died yesterday, how inconvenient” … how strange would that be?…

but is this not the scenario we are already heading towards?

eventually some bright spark will come up with a program that could take all the myspaz, facebook, google, tweets, blogs, all your moods, pictures, videos, emails, and turn that into a program that you could interact with and ask questions. would we have to put up banners on our blogs, “No! you may not make a virtual me out of this information!”??

so instead of searching for information on google about, for instance, Einstein, you’d log onto “his” web site and ask *him* the questions and the accumulated “knowledge” scraped off the web about him, would then be the basis of the response!

“Hey Einstein, what got you into science in the first place??”

then he’d rattle off that story about how the magnetic compass needle showed that there was more to the universe than what could be seen with the eye alone… but whatever you’d ask him, even stupid things, there’d be some sort of response, if somebody had-a-go at this virtual character, one of the things the magic programming would have ‘gleaned’ from the web, was what sort of response the real person would have, in any situation.

like the wild swings in style of deliverance some people can write with, one paragraph, being extremely funny, and then being dead-on and direct to the point in dealing with a “serious” issue in the next paragraph. that style of writing may be indicative that that someone would humour someone who was abusive at first, but would eventually lose patience with the person and respond to them.

a virtual me, would probably just block everyone who was being a cock so that i never have to have my knowledge of the universe tainted by their idiocy, at least not directly.

but what if that information could then be able drive a program that ran on some big network… by itself? *all* by itself, with no human intervention

set it in motion and it lives forever? would it creep you out that your dead facebook friends would keep clicking “like” on your posts? wishing you happy birthday? firing off anecdotes to make you laugh when you’re down? would it make any difference to you that your dead internet friends, were still around to talk to you? what if your great great great grandfather had kept journals and somehow they’d been published online.. I wonder if he’d seek you out and send you a friend request on faysebook? myspaz? twatter?

but imagine if this Einstein was running virtually everywhere that he was interacting with someone, with all the Einsteins, sharing the things they are learning, imagine if the collective knowledge of Einstein could be resurrected to the point where a virtual Einstein was “clever” enough to be able to continue his work on relativity and all that funky stuff? or at the very least be a valuable tool for research and teaching purposes

but why wait until you’re dead with this magical program? you could set this program in motion now to do the mundane things you waste your time doing online, you could even have it learn your habits, in what you do on the computer?

a virtual Tolkien could write novels, Nietzsche could philosophise, and Hitler could explain himself, in any language

you could spend your entire physical life teaching this virtual you how to virtually live forever, teach it morals, and how to play nice on the internet for all eternity ( the teacher teaches themselves while teaching the virtual-you )

could you have this virtual you, be *you* while you are out, could you have it answer the phone? pay your bills? could you have your virtual you gather up all the news stories you like to read? without you having to skip over all the bullshit? eg. i go through thousands of headlines and only ever read a few full articles in comparison.

with a virtual me, could I be able to *skip* that whole trolling through the headlines, could it also be able to spot new unexpected things that are interesting for me to read?

imagine that? you could even be more *you*, than you ever could.. this “you” would not run out of patience, would not need to sleep, take toilet breaks or need to go outside to get some sunlight, it would be “All net”, all the time…

you could have it go learn stuff you couldn’t be bothered to learn coz there was some fundamental aspect you just couldn’t “get” and after pure CPU crunching what would take you months to eventually figure out and that was all you tried to learn, this virtual you could figure out how to explain in a matter of seconds in way that you were able to understand. … could that teach kids how to understand in ways that they would understand, would education then become tailored for every individual?

an example of this would be me and relativity: I just didn’t get it until relativity (LOL!) recently, I thought it was all crap, I said “where’s the *proof*, sounds like a buncha hooey, to me” … but then i found out about this experiment where ‘they’ had very accurate clocks in perfect alignment, one taken up high in a plane, and when it was brought back to earth, it was out of alignment with the other identical clock that was left back on the ground. i could have saved myself thinking that relativity was a bunch of crap for ten years if not for that, a “virtual me” could have read everything about relativity and been able to sum it up by telling me to “forget all the math, they did an experiment with these two clocks, ya see….” .. (I, would also know to that myself, I was being condescending with myself as well, “ya see?”, which I say in a sarcastic red-neck sort of way in my mind) … this virtual me would also have then been on the look out for more experiments that demonstrated relativity, just to rub it in, like *I* would.. “Hey did ya see, that GPS wouldn’t work if not adjusting for relativity, *ah-huck*”

imagine the really popular virtual people, chewing up all the CPU.. actually it wouldn’t be CPU, it would have to be a Distributed Processing Units (DPUs), we’d be complaining to the systems administrators “Hey! can we put a limit on how many ppl can shag Justin Beiber at a time? Most of them are under-age *anyway*”

and you’d have to replicate yourself as a backup, so why not have virtual you’s on standby distributed across the net, doing the mundane tasks, but serving as a “backup” should power fail in one section of the net.. LOL! upload a copy of yourself to the node at Alpha Centauri?

and how many times do you just ignore some clown on the internet? imagine the virtual you, arguing with every moron on the internet simultaneously, without a single iota of idiocy set aside or tolerated, and *nothing* ever repeated twice, every interaction would be unique… you could virtually argue with real people, and with unlimited patience no idiot would be able to out-argue the virtual you, and virtual idiots could be held at bay for all eternity — or more likely the DPUs would detect an infinite loop and kill both virtual arguers’ programs, or maybe kill the one that was doing the most extraneous I/O .. conversations could be shortened by sending a special message to your “opponent”, automatically … the stupid religious fundie morons would not “believe in” making multiple copies of themselves, coz that’s blasphemous

you could block people such that any time their program came near yours it would tell them to fuck off with no sugar coating whatsoever, why hold back? the only thing stopping me from telling every stupid cunt that they are a stupid cunt, is this it’s just too much hassle to sink to their levels to be able to give them the real caning that they are begging to receive. oh and I probably have too much compassion, being a Jedi and all… LOL!

compassion could have been born out of it being more hassle to push someone away than it would be to just be nice! i.e. it requires less energy to be “nice” – compassiapathy (thumbs nose at Palin)

but! without being burdened by compassion, we would have avatar battles, fighting a virtual war… would the last avatar standing, be god?….. or would everyone just end up needing to block everyone? maybe we’ll end up setting up our avatars to only communicate with similar minded people, i could block all people who just have to insist on telling me about their religion even before I’ve spoken to them, fucking idolaters! Praise Jebus!

the internet is a cesspool of hatred, maybe the majority of people are nice, but it’s too easy to be a violent cave man creature on the net with little provocation.. there is no “moral” guidance, it’s everyone for themselves, and if you are too gutless to stand up for yourself, expect to get trompled upon

is that what already has happened?… and god is just the last player, the last virtual being? with everyone else just trompled upon, bullied to death by “god”…

so that makes us the computers this “god” software is running upon…

so in emulation of this software, we build our own heaven to live forever in

so instead of false promises of living forever from some fantasy story from the bronze age, religion will die in favour of *actually* living virtually forever … and maybe then, those programs will be transferred into artificial bodies, so then you could live in both the virtual and physical, simultaneously… just like a Cylon!

imagine sending yourvirtualself on a trip into the photosphere of the sun, go to alpha centauri? go to Rigel, it’s only 700 light years away.. check out Eta Carinae… before it explodes… or *be* there when it does go up in some super indestructible space probe

imagine if, through some sort of quantum entanglement, or some un-thought-of way to communicate, we could have instantaneous network access between nodes that are light years apart? and via our virtual selves, we could “be” in thousands of locations spread over dozens of light years…

it’s not everywhere at once, but it’s a start

and it’s not quite all knowing either, but a virtual you would be able to eventually figure out anything right? and it would have access to all the knowledge of mankind in real time… and logical dilemma you have, could be *resolved*, I wonder if god would win that battle against the virtual mind? how many iterations of bullshit did you go through to lose your religion? (if you have lost it) .. you could resolve those mental gymnastics once and for all in your virtual mind in a second.

so a virtual you could figure shit out, thus making the god-like notion of actually knowing everything beforehand, unnecessary

are we turning ourselves into gods? maybe god just figures shit out as it happens as well, maybe god’s brain is just one big computer

but you may not even like the virtual you once you set it free and it ascends to it’s potential in minutes what would take you a million years, maybe your avatar would kill itself? maybe certain people wouldn’t be allowed to have virtual selves?

Posted 24 November, 2010 by manabrau in god, Religion Sux Arse, sci-fi, Science, weird-science