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the dangers of atheism   Leave a comment

The Dangers of Atheism

And by “dangers”, I am not referring to religious types that would bully the atheist for having the gall to not only be a non-believer, but to also make that fact that they are indeed an atheist known to the world; instead I am referring to the inherent need for people to identify with a particular “genre” of what sort of people they think they are and “atheism” is very much in danger of becoming fractured in much the same way that religions tend to fracture.

Meaning to say that at some stage, all of this atheism banner-waving will end up seeing multiple people who supposedly fly that same atheist banner butting heads with each other over some issue, which in turn would make splinter groups, then we would have multiple groups of atheism when indeed “atheism” should not be a defining factor to what sort of person you are anyway.

For me, the way I see atheism is that there is no point in identifying as an atheist in the first place, because “atheism” is supposed to be the complete lack of religion and belief in supernatural – and that’s it.

It’s like taking the number zero and adding some stuff to it and then thinking that zero is now somehow larger than zero, but you still *call* it “zero”… no, any previous values of zero that are now larger, are now *not* zero… You just can NOT have a large value of zero, this does not make sense.

So I do not feel compelled to identify myself as a non-believer, not really, I tend to reveal my “non-believerism” at moments when it is relevant to where I am and what I am doing and what is going on around me – it is not something that I need to carry around as a banner before me, but if I do, it is merely to annoy the religious, which I know is childish, but enjoyable nonetheless, which in turn partly allows me to tolerate the religious and their bullshit…

the danger of flying your banner is that others who also fly that same banner will flock to your banner and vice-versa, which is the whole point of flying a banner in the first place, so people with the same line of thinking can group together. The danger here is that others will not share in all things that you believe in and this creates an environment where belligerent attitudes can flourish.

ie. just because someone is an atheist, it doesn’t mean they understand science, it doesn’t mean that they are vegan, or that they vote a particular way, etc etc — point being is that just because two atheists may agree on being atheists, it doesn’t mean that somewhere down the line, the two atheists will continue to get along once the common thread that brought them together is over.

As an example, I often tolerate atheist idiocy because the argument that they are in sees that the opposing side is even *more* ridiculous than the atheist argument and I also find it reprehensible to chastise atheists when the fact of the matter is that the christians do NOT chastise their extremists so I do not feel compelled to get into arguments with atheists because we have a common cause to fight against, ie. religion. But as time goes on, that battle is more than likely to die away as more and more people give away their religion, meaning there will be more atheists or at least, less religious people to butt heads with.

Meaning to say that if atheists rally around the banner of atheism, eventually there will be a philosophical split over some issue. For example, some atheists have tried to insult me for not being of the position that there is most definitely *no* god. That argument is just as arrogant as saying that there most definitely *is* a god. Neither position is verifiable, so I take no position on the matter of god other than to entertain myself with the possibilities of there being such a creature as god or not.

The point is that this person suggested rather strongly that I should make the affirmation that I was an atheist on *his* terms. As far as I am concerned, taking a position where no logical evidence is involved, is a religion, it requires faith. That rather angry person was a fanatical atheist. He has made his religion *atheism* because he is willing to summarily dismiss all the supporting evidence (or lack thereof) and that is exactly what religious fuckwits do. He emphatically denied the existence of god and in fact, went out of his way to do so as well. He clearly would not tolerate my presence unless I would make the same spurious affirmation as him. If that’s what atheism is about, then atheism is not for me because I do not accept anything anybody says if they can not back it up, I don’t even care if they are right and there really is no god, you can’t prove it, so you most definitely don’t get to be an arrogant cunt about it, no matter what side of the fence you sit upon.

This same thing has happened with christianity, it split into factions, which split into factions, which split etc etc and as documented throughout history, these christians that are supposed to be on the same page as their Jesus messiah dude, hate each other so much that they have been killing each other for centuries and yet they are supposedly all christians?? If christians can’t even follow this message of love everyone from their precious Jesus, then christianity is not for me, either.

same thing happens today with Islam, a major component of the violence in middle east countries involves the dispute between the Sunni and Shi’ite factions of Islam, and they kill each other over that difference, and yet, they both, allegedly, follow a religion of peace?

If atheists start clutching to their atheist banners too tightly, the same thing is bound to happen, it is human nature to defend what you perceive as being yours.

Did you see that episode of South Park, where the atheists of the future split into factions that were at war with each other over some trivial aspect?

What I am saying is this: go to your atheism meetings and groups and atheism forums and make it known that there are atheists out there as often as you like, but just remember that atheism is about being an individual, to group yourselves into new convenient groupings after society has finally started to dump the convenient groupings of religion is just to start the whole “religion” process all over again.

“We are all individuals”–[Brian]

Posted 30 June, 2012 by manabrau in atheism, Christianity, god, Islam, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

god is just your ego, get over yourself …. (religiorant)   Leave a comment


there is one easy way to prove that god is not “real”, have a look at the christians who aren’t being christian and yet still seem very adamant about saying that they believe in the stories of the bible..

the biggest story they believe, is probably the one where Jesus died for their sins…

no, that’s … not … quite … right…

Jesus died as an example of what you need to do, to save yourself from sinning… he wanted christians to go so far as to die on the cross *as*well* !!

“Get thee behind me, Satan!”

remember that one? that’s what JC said when Peter dared to mention that Jesus not offer up his life to die on the cross… read the whole bible chapter, and don’t just skim for the word “Satan” either… Matthew 16.

basically that chapter says that you can’t even sin to save your life, even if your attacker is intentionally inflicting harm upon you. Remember “The Passion”? Remember how Jesus, the supposed son of god, just stood there and let them hurt him? remember that?

he didn’t go do anything magical to stop everyone from killing him, he did the most selfless thing of any story that I can think of, he *let* himself be killed and he did that because that is what he wanted *everyone* to do…

That was the point of dying on the cross. Inflict no harm upon others by always showing them love – no matter how badly they are treating you.

The whoosh factor would seem to be very high for most christians

Q: so how can some christian *not* actually follow their Messiah, but then be so adamant about following the Messiah?

A: it’s a different Jesus to the one that is supposedly written about in the bible.

The JC that people worship might be based on the dude in the bible, but somehow this Jesus that people openly and loudly believe in, just happens to be exactly what the believer wants him to be, how many christians have openly declared that JC died on the cross for their sins?

What sort of selfish bastard person would even think that, let alone say it out loud? How assuming is that? This heaven of yours, is not cost-free, you gotta fucking earn it, and bragging that you believe in Jesus is *not* how you get into heaven.

Only an extremely egotistical person could possibly think that the entire universe was made for them and them alone and that just by believing in some Messiah figure, they have a permanent direct line to Jesus.

Yes, of course Jesus is there all the time, it is their ego, pretending to be god itself…

and how can your ego be ever wrong if it thinks it’s god?

non-believers aren’t any different, not really, everyone is just as selfish as the next person, but at least the non-believers don’t call their egos, “god”. At least non-believers don’t try to bend people to their will whilst pretending to be the creator of the fucking universe!

===LONG BLOG===

consider that there is no “god”, but instead that a particular person’s “god” is actually their own ego: now apply that thinking here:

what sort of god would forgive all of your sins? – what sort of god would create a universe just for you, put earth right in the exact middle of it, and provide the exact circumstances required just for you and your species to live? – what sort of god just happens to want all the things that you want? – what sort of god has the same moralistic values that you have? – and how could you possibly know the will of that god? – what sort of god makes you a moral person just by believing that it exists? – what sort of god would let you get away with just believing in it, while you are getting the supposed teachings of the god you based your version of god upon, so grossly wrong? – and finally, what sort of god just happens to change it’s mind on all of those things in exact synchronisation with your *current* beliefs throughout your whole *entire* god-believing-life?

How can god change its values in exact co-ordination with *you* if *you* weren’t god itself? well?

what sort of god could it be, if that god didn’t just happen to be your ego in disguise? god is *you* – it is your *ego* – regardless of whether there really is a god or not

this is the source of my rejection of someone’s personal/religious god, it’s not that I won’t believe in their god, or that I don’t believe it even exists, or that it’s impossible to exist at all, or that it’s fucking stupid; it’s just that they aren’t following what the god they think that they are following said to do in the first place, they’re just following what their ego-god wants them to do…

They are picking and choosing the facets that they want in their god – thus making their own god which just happens to be exactly what their ego wants. The ego and god are in perfect sync because they are the same. It’s obvious isn’t it?

if you think that *your* word alone on some subject, is in fact the word of god, the only way you could know that for sure is if you were in constant contact with god, that feeling you have of god lurking there with you, that’s *you*, that’s your ego going, “go for it son!”

so if god is your ego, of course is god “real” to the believer, it is very real in fact, but that does not make it real to anyone else, and speaking as if for god, well, that’s bad… m’kay?…

===ACTUALLY, THE LONG BLOG STARTS HERE===

i think the “battles” between believers and non-believers are doomed to always fail as believers and non-believers both argue from their emotional point of view…

but there isn’t a common emotional ground between the believer and non-believer when it comes to “believing”, so while they may be speaking to each other, they are not communicating…

Nietzsche said something along the lines that if the “tone” of what you are saying is not sympathetic towards the person you are talking to, they will not “hear” what you have to say..

“We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” – Friedrich Nietzsche.

believers “believe” because of emotions, so they won’t “hear” you unless you are sympathetic to them, because they’re selfish, their egos are in control….

“i am god, unless you are nice to me, thou’s offensive words shalt not be heard…..”–[ego-god]

When a person’s ego is their god, well, why do you think some people *SNAP* at the mere scent of an objection to their god existing? we have all seen this plenty of times…

me: bah! the bible is CRAP!
xtian: how dare you say God doesn’t exist!
me: uhmm.. i didn’t say that, i said the bible is crap!
xtian: there it is, you said it again!
me: uhmm, no just because the bible is crap, there still could be a god
xtian: ohhh… but you should still believe in Jesus…
me: *facepalm*

it happens so much that the above little anecdote is probably a blurring of multiple events, but in essence, it’s insulting to the non-believer to talk about belief in fairy tales as if they were fact and it’s insulting to the believer to entertain an actual conversation with someone who does not even have beliefs!! perish the thought!

and yes, non-believers also argue from their emotional point of view because non-believers can be passionate about explaining the truth in terms of actual facts, as opposed to say, being passionate for arguing the truth, in terms of old stories, with their own word, or the word of some book that they probably haven’t even read or understood even if they did read it, and seriously, none of these scriptures will make sense unless you read the whole chapters, and reading multiple different versions to compare and contrast helps as well. And what believer can actually be bothered to do that? not many – not many at all

if people weren’t so passionate about their ideas of the universe and how other people had the “wrong” ideas, then would they bother to try and explain how the other person has it wrong? if they weren’t passionate about their point of view, would they even bother to *facepalm* at those who are stupid? would they even bother call them stupid?

would they even bother to say something like….

OUTER FUCKING SPACE IS NOT A FUCKING OCEAN YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT!

if they weren’t passionate about their “beliefs” in science and reality??

believers argue out of ignorance with what they arrogantly “know” to be true – pride is an emotion, right? pride leads a person to take up the judgemental attitudes of “my way is better” or “my way is god’s way”… you keep telling yourself that and you’ll put your own ideas first without considering another person’s point of view, so are person like this is too prideful and arrogant to accept that they could be wrong….

so some people, when they see something they don’t understand or like, they make a judgement based on what their ego tells them about it to try and explain it, which is usually something weak and superfluous…

xtian: “oh god told me that that science of yours is evil!”

me: ” uhmmm …. ‘god’ told you? okay … uhmm no, not likely! at a rough guess I would say that your ego told you that science is evil because YOU don’t understand it. And you don’t understand it because you are too lazy to put in the effort to learn about science, or you are too embarrassed to ask about scientific matters now because you used to be one of the ones in class that didn’t pay attention or made sure that everyone couldn’t learn either, aren’t you? so *you* need a really big ‘reason’ to out-trump the fact that in your ignorance you still don’t know anything about science, and so you get this panicked sort of feeling each time you encounter something you just don’t understand, and it’s like ‘oh what the fuck is that, it messes with my mind!! that’s scary!! god save me god god pray pray pray god god’ … so you play the ‘god card’… ‘ah! it’s evil! god said it was evil, all is good now!’…. i mean, if the supreme being of the universe says it’s evil and you should not worry about it, then who are you to argue, right, at a guess?”

xtian: “ohhhh *you* are evil!”

me: *facepalm* “Hail Satan!”

people get this one idea about god, and their ego just *runs* and goes ballistic with it, because your ego loves this idea of god, it’s *awesome*, the ego loves that this god is going to give it everlasting life and that it knows everything, so you don’t need to worry about stuff that you don’t know, “phooey to you Mr Scientist”, and all you have to do is …. believe in it …. and in that moment, your ego, becomes god…. and it will always forgive you as well, no matter how much of a cunt you are to everyone… in fact, it will forgive you especially if you are a cunt

ADDICTION

Some believers are addicted, like ppl are addicted to drugs or chocolate or whatever. Yeah, one more bite of chocolate isn’t going to hurt, now is it?

but the god addiction is worse, the ego thinks it is *god* and it’s also feeding that delusion as well, that’s how people get to crazy crazy ideas, they just didn’t go to the level of thinking in one hit, they get to crazy crazy in degrees.

think of this god-feedback-loop in the same way it would be if you somehow said hello to someone in a magic mirror everyday and not even realise that the person you were talking to, was actually you, and everyday, you would leave this encounter with yourself always feeling, at least, a little bit better about yourself, because that person you see everyday knows exactly what to say to you to give you the pick-me-up that you need.

so to keep the mirror analogy going, the “ego-god” is a reflection of you and everything that *you* want …

same thing happens to fanatic believer when confronted with the “truth” about god, because what if it turns out that initial idea, or even one of the subsequent ideas that formed the basis of somebody’s belief in god, what if those ideas turn out to be *wrong*? your ego went on this great big rant for decades – poor thing!

so when confronted with this contradiction that it just can’t accept after *everything* it went through, after all that time it spent believing in this creature called god, that it would get to this point and *somebody* would then have the audacity to deem the god-ego to be *wrong*.. because if “god” turned out to be wrong, it would call into question *every* other thing in their lives as potentially being wrong as well…

and people can’t stand that – it’s why they think their lives will collapse without god – being held to ransom by your own mind must be pretty scary.

it’s happened to me, I just couldn’t accept Einstein’s theory of relativity, and I still don’t “get” it completely, I thought “well, if it’s true, then surely it can be measured?” … and it has … Atomic clocks have been used on jet planes and satellites to verify Einstein’s theory of relativity, the basic need to account for relativity is because time up in space is traveling faster than it is here on earth. Yes – it *is*.

“Relativity is not just some abstract mathematical theory: understanding it is absolutely essential for our global navigation system to work properly!”

good thing my ego wasn’t so big that it called itself *god* on the matter of relativity, because then it might say – “no fucking way I was wrong, because *god* also don’t either believe in no relativity as well, so how can *I* be wrong, right?”

yes non-believers can be judgemental too, but non-believers don’t follow any holy scripture that says they should refrain from being judgemental.

So as a non-believer, when *I* say somebody is wrong, *I* do it in the name of *my* ego, I don’t invoke the name of god, my ego is not pretending to be so important that it’s in league with or *is* the creator of the frikking universe!

idolatrous, holier-than-thou believers use god to prop up their egos, and being with god gives them a free pass to being absolutely right about the things that their god just happens to believe in, as well.

how else can a believer know the will of god? why else would god have made the entire universe just for us? with just the exact right conditions to feed, clothe, heat, water us? with just the right tint of blue in the sky? with just the right shade of grey for the clouds? how else if not for your ego to be so up-itself that it would be so conceited as to think that it was *that* special???

so given that their egos are so big, there is no *point* in arguing with extreme believers about my emotional viewpoint on matters of god, science, or history, which is often along the lines of…

oh you stupid fucking dumbarse lying cunt SPACE IS NOT AN OCEAN – you were one of those fucking idiots who didn’t fucking pay attention in school, weren’t you? you obviously live in a dumb arse part of the world as well – because no-one could possibly fucking say what you just fucking did and think they could get away with it unless you knew that everyone within 50 miles of you believed the same fucking dumbarse thing because no-one would be in their right minds to say such a thing for fear of dropping dead due to pure embarrassment of believing such utter crap!

but in reality, i am much more inclined to ‘say’ something far more polite…

*facepalms*

actually, that’s often the last thing those people will see me post, as I block them soon after…. I dwell too much on how people arrive at their dumbarseness – it’s not healthy – oh and I just can only escalate from there so rather than have to be rude – i’m sure someone told you about the rule of not having anything nice to say, then don’t, right?

i block people that assume they have something to be offended about when it comes to their precious god. ie. often I will accidentally do some sort of Jedi mind trick on the weak minded (this happens often when you speak fluent Sarcasm) and say something that they over extend into their own personal point of view. eg. a simulated conversation, not too far removed from reality, mind you, as I’ve had this sort of actual conversation with christians:

XTIAN: “‘The Force’ isn’t real”

ME: “LOL at the blasphemy!!!! the bible is a crock of shit too!”

XTIAN: “WHAT! how dare you say god doesn’t exist! just who is committing blasphemy?”

ME: “snap! this shit again! No, I didn’t say that god does *not* exist, I said the bible is a crock of shit, ie. it’s not real!”

XTIAN: “but that would imply that you mean god does not exist”

ME: “no! it does not! just because the bible is a crock of shit, it does not mean that your precious god doesn’t exist, I am saying that if your god does exist, that your bible probably has it wrong, at least in some small way such that it is a waste of time to take any of it literally because there is no way to know what is literally accurate or not so that you should just ignore the details about the bible and that you should just follow the underlying message of peaceful relations with everyone, I mean that was the point of the bible, right?”

XTIAN: “oooohhh i get it, why didn’t you just say that in the first place?”

ME: “arrrg! why don’t you stop making assumptions, you know, like your precious Jesus said not to when he said ‘judge not lest thee be judged’ and maybe you could go buy yourself a sense of humour as well?”

XTIAN: “I’m not making assumptions, Jesus is *real*”

ME: “*facepalms*”

XTIAN: “what’s a facepalm?”

ME: *blocks*

so *yeah* god is real, it’s your real fucking ego!!….

and here’s the “proof”, because if god wasn’t in the ego, then there would be no need to go on a rant about god not existing when “provoked” by the slightest inference that god doesn’t exist, and if I didn’t have an ego I wouldn’t be here complaining that people were calling their own frikking egos, “god”!! a true believer in god, would just accept that there *is* a god, and set about at least trying to do what the basic message of the religion for that god taught, and in the case of christianity, the underlying message is “be frikking nice!”

given that believers can’t even discuss their religion civilly, there is no *point* in arguing the non-believers’ emotional point of view. in essence, the non-believer needs to combine their logic and wisdom, with their own compassion in being able to put themselves into the mindset of what-ever religion the believer they are arguing with, actually teaches.

in other words: it’s easy to tell someone that they *are* stupid pricks for believing, but there is no point unless you can speak to them on their own level, about their own emotional needs for believing in the first place.

well there is one point, some people actually do need to be treated like children, at least at times,

XTIAN: “i heard that the stars twinkle because the earth’s magnetic field is unstable and failing!”

ME: “no no no, that’s just not true, the stars don’t twinkle because of that! where the frak did you get that stupid idea?” ..

XTIAN: “oh, my uhmm, my dad said it” ..

ME: “well, you tell your dad, that the stars twinkle because of the heat in the atmosphere, it’s the same sort of thing that happens when you see the heat coming off the road or the stove, the heated air distorts the light coming from further away because all the molecules are buzzing around so much from the heat, that the air becomes some sort of fuzzy lens that is constantly moving around because of the wind, and that’s why the stars twinkle, the air is flying around up there, with pockets of warmer or colder air, and as it passes through those pockets of different temperature air, it makes the light bounce off into different directions, randomly.” …

XTIAN: “oh my dad said not to listen to people like you with your science and logic, he said you were agents of Satan, and that it was god’s will that the magnetic field fail because we’re all sinners!” ..

ME: *facepalms* … “whatever! and ‘yes’ I will have fries with that, that’s why I asked for the ‘value meal’, and ‘no’ I didn’t ask for a coke, I wanted a water, which is why i said ‘with a water’… maybe if you had paid attention in school you’d be able to concentrate for the ten seconds it *should* have taken for me to place my order?”

XTIAN: “oh, I left school!”

ME: *grrrrr*

the true trick to the religious war, is to argue from the emotional standpoint of the religious person, because you won’t change somebody’s mind with one little fact..

TIDES GO IN – TIDES GO OUT

no, the tides go in and out because of the moon
no, the moon stays in orbit because of earth
no, the earth stays in orbit because of the sun
no, the sun stays in orbit of the galaxy because of the combined mass of many stars and a super massive black-hole at the centre of the milky way
no, you don’t “got me”, the milky way is gravitationally bound to other galaxies in the immediate region of galactic space
no, the local group of galaxies is bound gravitationally to the Virgo galactic super cluster
no, the Virgo group is attracted to an area of space called the “Great Attractor”
no, you don’t “got me now”, it just means that we don’t know yet.

if anything, what should be done when challenged by someone who is just going to contradict everything you say is, “I’m not playing this game of yours, you’ve obviously got the internet, type ‘tides moon earth gravity’ into the search bar of your browser, and go figure it out yourself, come back with specific questions, if you must”…

so I say, *let* them have their precious god, but argue with them on *their* emotional level, argue knowing full well that this god of theirs, is their ego…

tell them *how* they have their religion wrong, instead of merely saying *that* they have their religion wrong.

for instance:

I would say to Bill O’Reilly, “Bill, what the frak does the tides coming and going have to do with actually following Jesus’ teachings of ‘love thy neighbour’?”

to people going on about how the frikking year is proof of Jesus I would say “ahem, guys, what does the year have to do with actually following Jesus’ teachings of ‘love thy neighbour’?

to people who say “Praise Jesus” all the time; “what does just saying ‘Praise Jesus’ have to do with actually following Jesus’ teachings of ‘love thy neighbour’?”

one simple question:

what does *any* of what some christian is rambling on about, have to do with actually following Jesus’ teachings of ‘love thy neighbour’?

well? could it be “nothing”? well, could you stop committing idolatry then? because if there really is a Jesus, you’re just pissing him the-fuck off!

this is my wager;

it’s better to not follow any religion whatsoever, than it is to choose one of the many, and make the wrong decision, or make the right decision, but then just not bother to actually follow that religion correctly…

END BIT

Jesus was that dude who was so bereft of selfishness, that he didn’t even try to save himself from dying on the cross… which was the whole point of the dying on the cross metaphor, and yet, ironically, the most ego-less character of all time, Jesus Christ, is the same guy that a large proportion of Western society is selfishly just saying that they believe in

Jesus was saying; “here I am, I died on the cross, not for your sins, but as an example of selflessness, in order to give you an example of the sort of behaviour you should aspire to, to stop you from committing sin in the first place”

and who is to say, that just because Jesus forgives you, that you have escaped your punishment, anyway? what sort of Jesus would forgive you, and let you get away with all the bullshit you’ve done in your life, other than the Jesus-god-ego creature you worship?

mostly written 29th Jan 2011, mostly… you know, christians should probably stop telling me to read their bible….

Posted 18 October, 2011 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, Islam, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, sarcasm

did aliens send us religion to slow us down? (religiorant)   Leave a comment


if there really were an advanced alien civilisation out there in the galaxy, we probably wouldn’t know they were there – think about this:

1000 years ago, we sent messages via physical means, for instance, couriers, ships, horses, smoke signals, lights, carrier pigeon and about 200 years ago we had discovered the telegraph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_telegraph

and today we have planes, radio, telephones, satellites and the internet….

Point being is that we keep finding better and faster ways of communication, ideas that we totally would not have thought possible centuries before they were finally invented, so any advanced civilisation that is capable of building space ships is also likely to have an even more advanced form of communications than the basic radio signals that we send for long distance communications.

At our current level of technology, it’s likely we would not even be able to detect any advanced form of space-alien communications and even if we did, it’s likely that we are dismissing it as some sort of background “noise” from space because the signal is too faint to detect.

an example of an advanced form of communications an advanced alien civilisation could be something like “sub space” communications like in Star Trek where near instant communication is available over light years. If there were such a thing as sub-space communications right at this moment, we would have no idea that it was being used.

Imagine if one day we discovered sub-space communications and all of a sudden we are bombarded with 50 million simultaneous incoming message channels from thousands of alien worlds from all over the galaxy

So maybe these advanced aliens that have been around for a million years or so have been stopping by every now and then, maybe they stopped off once or twice a couple of millennium ago, and gave us a thing called “religion” by pretending to be gods, and maybe they actually had the best of intentions, and religion was given as a test, a test that we failed miserably.

Maybe these advanced aliens have been through galactic wars between different species before, and “The Galactic Council” has declared that all sentient species with the likelihood of developing space travel be given a test of their ability to “get along” with everyone?

Insert multiple religions all over the planet, to either teach us good moral behaviour, or have us turn on each other until we learn how to “get along” with each other.

Seriously, if not for the dark ages we may very well have become a space-faring planet by now where travel all over the solar system is a common place event. imagine if the (non-christian) Roman Empire didn’t fall?

Instead of us having the dark ages, the bloody Romans discover space travel by about the 1200s, colonise the solar system, move Venus into a ‘cooler’ orbit and turn it into a greenhouse planet to grow food for the solar system, and then we get our butts out to the galaxy at large by about 2000 and start finding other species to conquer or at least other habitable planets to ruin, imagine the Roman Empire, Mongolian, or some Islamic caliphate expanding for light years? *sigh*

so aliens, stopping by every so often, saw how disagreeable we were with our own species, as well as wiping out other species here on earth, and thought that it was a good idea to send us religion to teach us to behave, or slow us down.

maybe we’ve been so bad that it’s Galactic Law that we grow up slowly? and maybe there’s even a “no fly zone” of four light-years around our sun? So maybe it’s best that we get this angry streak out of our systems before we get out into outer-space and piss all over it as well?

mostly written 2011-Feb-05 … mostly …

Posted 16 October, 2011 by manabrau in aliens, Christianity, history, Islam, rant, Religion Sux Arse, sci-fi

rattling the faith … (religiorant)   Leave a comment


i have often seemed to have rattled the faith of the religious, with mere words, even *accidentally* at times, even without even trying

and I’ve even seen “christians” getting upset and going on rants at and over atheists for no apparent reason other than because atheists EXIST!

but “why is that a problem?”, you say?

well, it would be fine if these ranting believers were piping up in response to some *specific* thing that they have a problem with ….

but the very fact that atheists exist?

how does one even argue with such a vague point of view when these believers have their faith rattled even before you speak to them? ie. by doing nothing whatsoever, non-believers are able to rattle the faith of the “faithful” …

did you read that?

doing *NOTHING*AT*ALL* is all it takes to upset some people and their religion.

this is a problem, these people choose to willingly be upset over *nothing*

that’s like a little child in the middle of a temper tantrum saying

“look what you made me do!”

I didn’t make you do anything, you still *chose* to react in anger. That was a choice. It was *your* choice.

It was *your* choice to chuck a spaz, I didn’t hold a gun to your head and *make* you have a temper tantrum over your religion and/or your god – you did that all by *yourself* !

so given that doing nothing can upset some of the religious fruit cakes, i try to avoid using any words in every day language (in the first place) that may upset and rattle those stupid fucking religious morons (and just coz ppl are religious it doesn’t instantly make them morons, however, there are religious people who are morons, and that is who i speak about here)

which is ironic – because no matter what the fuck i say about someone’s religion or their faith, even if I’m being deliberately antagonistic, if they feel the need to deem me “wrong” by getting upset in any way shape or form, then they are showing that they are lacking “faith”..

“I find your lack of faith disturbing!”
–Darth Vader

sure I can be offensive and people have the right to be offended at my words, but at least in terms of christianity, they should prove that they truly are *christian* by walking away, or more correctly, they should invite me to think of something more offensive than what I’ve just said and make me hang myself upon my own anger.. “turn the other cheek” and such, right? …

and Muslims are just as bad, they claim to have a religion of peace, so if I were to anger a Muslim, then they can prove that their religion is truly a religion of peace, by walking away no matter what the fuck I say about this piss poor religion of theirs that they think is “peaceful” …

but is that what they do? The fucking riots in the streets of Pakistan in protest of DRAWINGS would seem to indicate that Muslims want anything but peaceful relations with the rest of the world.

Seriously Islam needs to take a chill pill over the whole pictures of Muhammad thing, as they risk bringing the issue to more people’s attention with their whinging about cartoons, which will in turn, show more people just how stupid Islam is – thus leading to more incidents where they will get mocked!

The religious should not wonder why they should keep their religion to themselves.

Islam itself may be peaceful and it very well may just teach peaceful notions in amongst all those verses about smiting at the neck of your enemies (ie. beheadings) and whatever else it says – but there are Muslims that don’t embrace the notion of peace who *DO* enact violence in the name of their religious fantasy – but the other Muslims, ie. the majority, who actually are peaceful do nothing about their extremists and yet they get upset and say “WE’RE NOT ALL TERRORISTS!” – oh is that fucking right? then why doesn’t the majority fucking do something about those extremists?

a lack of objection to the actions of the extremist members of your religion, CONDONES their behaviour..

Like if somebody does something bad in the name of Jesus and every other christian ignores that, that says to me that the christian majority don’t give a rats arse that that someone has done something bad in the name of Jesus BECAUSE THEY FUCKING AGREE WITH THEIR MOTIVES, because if you *disagreed*, would you not say something?

got that?

if you don’t do anything about the problem children in your group, expect other groups to say that your group of people are fucked up, and that is *not* because of this one person and the bad shit they did, but because the rest of you don’t seem to give a fuck about the bad shit they did either.

it’s an extreme case of the “buddy system” – he’s my buddy – so I don’t dob on him, just in case he turns on me and kills me dead while I have my back turned to him, so I’m better off just shutting the fucking hell up, lest I get myself and my whole family killed.. which is exactly what happens in Islam is this day and age and is what happened centuries ago in christianity . How many stories have we heard of someone in an Islamic country standing up to the way their country is being influenced by religion, only to see that they get thrown behind bars, tortured, or even killed for their troubles?

WHO AM I TO UPSET YOUR FAITH?

who am I when it comes to a religion??

I’m a nobody in terms of religious faith, I don’t know of gods other than what I’ve read from the little religio-story books and anecdotes – therefore, I don’t *know* religious faith – I don’t know other people’s feelings about their faith – I have no idea!! so how can I, who knows nothing about a person’s faith, rattle that faith??

if you know your enemy’s strategy you can often wear him down with little effort – this is kind of like that, except here you do not even know that you even had an enemy and somehow you can wear down the guy without even knowing that you are wearing him down.

so how the hell can I rattle someone’s “faith”, if they truly have faith???

Someone walks up to you in the street and says your mother is a whore, unless that person *KNOWS* your mother personally, then how would they even know? they are just making up bullshit to try to rile you up!! They are trying to make you bite! This is also called “fishing” or more accurately – “shit stirring”

in the same way, only the people who know how to push your buttons, know how to get you the most upset.

and yet, there are childish religious morons that I can still send flying into flurries of fury, how is that possible if I don’t even know your faith? that would be like some astrophysicist throwing a temper tantrum after being told that the moon was made of cheese.. NO IT’S NOT MAD OF CHESE YOU FUCKING PEACVE OF SHUITE YTOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SIECNCE U JUST HSUT THE FUCK UOP!!!

If an astrophysicist got upset at somebody’s claim that the moon was made of cheese, would you not have to wonder if that person was only merely saying that they were an astrophysicist??

Perhaps they used to think it was made of cheese as a child, and now they get upset at themselves in retrospect when other people propose the “moon == cheese” idea?

eg. i’ve sometimes said “there is no god” and people have bounced off the walls in anger over that, and yet, when people say “there is a god”, I’m of the opinion that they may be right, they are probably not, but it doesn’t bother me….

if you want to believe in a fantasy to make yourself feel better, then go for it, I’m not stopping you, and I couldn’t even if I wanted to, OH WAIT! IT SEEMS THAT “YES” I CAN!

If you can get upset at anything I say about your precious faith/god, then you are admitting that you don’t really have faith. And if there *really* was a god, I’d be cast into the pits of hell at god’s discretion, not at the whims are idle threats of some bitchy whiny arse pants fucktard religious moron.

THE TRUTH HURTS

when ppl get upset, could it be that the truth hurts? and that people don’t really believe in what they say they believe in? you don’t really believe in something if you need to get upset about someone refuting that thing, right?

getting upset means that your position is weak, or that you are lacking the ability to defend it, and if you can’t defend your position, it indicates your uncertainty about your position.

so given those circumstances above, who is the person with more actual faith (not religiously, but in general terms) in what they believe in?

is it the person who says “DONT YHOU SAY SHI5T ABOIT MY GOD YIOU FILTHY GODF HATER YOUR GOING TO TEHLLLLLL SCUM BSAGH!!!” or is it the person who says “you are entitled to believe what you want, because as long as you not are hurting anybody, I don’t give a fucking rat’s arse what you believe!!!”

well? who has the better position in passing along their thoughts? the person shouting at you, who can’t even type straight, or is it the person calmly having a conversation with you, regardless of them and their fucking vulgar profanity??

in fact, if you feel the need to make any insults at me when I don’t agree with your faith, then you are embarrassing yourself because you should take insults against your faith (or lack thereof, for that matter) in your stride, but clearly, the majority of people purporting to be believers can not do this…

in fact, when a believer insults me, they are in fact insulting themselves more than they insult me, but I doubt these “believers” would realise though… blinders are rather – blinding – especially when you, yourself, have put them into place with super-glue with some catch-all solution called “god”.

If you can have your faith rattled *that* easily, then they should probably keep it to yourself, because announcing that you have faith, especially when nobody was talking about faith to begin with, merely says to me that you don’t have faith.

and in some countries you will get mocked for confessing you have faith.. because you’ve just said something that isn’t dissimilar to an adult saying “I believe in SANTA CLAUS!” .. eg. the last time someone confessed to having “faith” around me, I didn’t get the chance to say anything, as somebody else beat me to it, and he wasn’t even as half as nice as I was going to be about it.

in much the same way, a wise person would never say that they are wise, why would they need to? they don’t need to brag that they are wise, as their actions and words indicate their wisdom, so anybody trying to tell you that they *are* wise, should be considered anything but wise, especially if you don’t know them!

point being, is that if I can rattle the faith of the faithful, then that means that what I am saying is somehow more important than what their god has allegedly taught them, or what I’ve said was beyond their level of understanding of their god, all of which proves that god is completely in the mind of the believer, which clearly makes “faith” and god easily subjected to a person’s emotions, because if a person was truly a believer in god, they would laugh off anything I have to say about their “faith”, at the worst, they should be merely puzzled by my lack of faith in much the same way that I am often dumbfounded by how fucking stupid people of “faith” can be at times.

NO SPACE IS NOT A FUCKING OCEAN YOU DUMBARSE!

see, when I have a temper tantrum, there is a specific thing I’m tantruming about, when the religious have a fucking SPAT – they would never be able to put their finger on what is actually bothering them, seeing how god is in their brain, and sticking their fingers in their brain, would probably cause (more) damage…

mostly written 2010-09-09, mostly …

there is no god? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

this was originally to be a comment on Wiggy’s blog, but it was just too long and i like to religiorant…. oh yeah, and I’m sick of jerk-offs getting their butts hurt when I “Offend” them – boo fucking hoo – don’t read if you don’t have a spine (as is the case with all my blogs) … this blog is very disjointed and excessively long and probably has grammar and spelling problems and all of the topics are probably covered in another blog … i probably need to make that a standard disclaimer for all my blogs from now on i think

mostly written 23rd-26th August 2010, mostly…

DEFINE “GOD” FIRST

nobody knows if there is a god, nobody can even define it, so how can we know if god exists or not, if we can’t even come together on its definition?

so, given the lack of a coherent idea between people about the concept of “god”, then isn’t god inherently going to be an entirely illogical concept to begin with?

nobody *knows* shit about god, as knowledge is something that can be demonstrated, eg. I know sun shines coz I can see it in the sky – but when it comes to god, all we have are *feelings* about it and i find it unlikely that any two people could feel exactly the same way about god.

so when two people can’t agree on god, the most prudent thing they need to do, is make sure that they are both talking about the same thing, by defining the parameters of this “god” they are discussing… eg. the christian god, Norse gods, the universe (as in pantheism), Hindu gods, your personal god la la la la

because if you don’t define which god or gods you are talking about, then you’re probably not going to be talking about the same thing.

WE CAN’T AGREE ABOUT GOD

but defining god is a problem, as those that have tried to define god, have been known to fail quite miserably at the task, look at the Abrahamic religions and their “loving” god and the people who follow those religions, the plethora of different beliefs that have spawned from what is supposedly the same god, is atrociously high in number, pathetic even..

The religious, are supposed to all be on the same page with their beliefs, however they are clearly not as is often demonstrated by their internal disputes as well as their interactions with other religions.

I often have to laugh at christians and muslims when they say that their religion is peaceful, when their own religions have split into factions that fight against each other!

For example: Muslims have the Sunni and Shia “disagreement”, that split happened a few decades after Muhammad died and they have been killing each other since!

These actions give me proof that whatever their religion says and whatever muslims say about their religion, it must be bullshit, because the end result saw muslims killing each other over some disagreement – that is not peaceful so how can we be expected to believe these claims that islam is a peaceful religion when the actions of their militant few, say otherwise?

oh, I hear you, it’s only the terrorists that aren’t peaceful? that is irrelevant – get this through your head – if the peaceful muslims don’t do anything about their violent extremists then I don’t give a flying fuck if it’s only the extremists that are giving these supposedly peaceful religions a bad name because, the peaceful majority are *irrelevant* to the whole situation if they do nothing about their extremists.

In actual terms, extremists would seem to outnumber the amount of people who take action against extremists, the apathetic masses that take no action whatsoever are not involved – other to vent their anger at being lumped in with the extremists they do nothing about.

the same thing has happened with catholics and protestants and all the other christians, for that matter..

Jesus taught that christians are to love everyone, the second highest commandment in all of christianity is to “love thy neighbour” and shit man, if the *christian*church* itself can’t even do that much *themselves* and keep their own church from splitting up violently, then there is no way i’d pick up their religion as I try to *NOT* take deliberately hypocritical things seriously….

tens of millions of people died over the split between catholics and protestants and 500 years ago, that was a fair chunk of all the people that were alive at the time in the entire world…. so how is all that blood shed, “loving thy neighbour”?

THERE WAS NOTHING LOGICAL ABOUT GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE

for me, I never really believed in anybody’s preconceived idea of god, I made up my own stupid idea of it, so my idea of god got diluted over the years and now, I make up something new about god nearly everyday….

i do not have one static definition of god, and the reason I can change my mind all the time, is that I just don’t know what to think about god – there could be a god – there might not be a god – i think it’s *FUN* to dream up the possibilities of god, so when people get upset and take their beliefs too seriously, well, it’s not that much fun any more, because to demand that what you believe about god be accepted by everyone else, well, that’s just embarrassingly pathetic, as that is no different to demanding that I believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, big foot, that Star Trek the original series was better, that Greedo fired first… blah lbah blah

if you make an incredible claim, you *need* to back up that claim, *incredibly*!..

oh and “just have faith” will not slide very far in my world either. “Just have faith” is no different to telling me to “Just get fucked” because just telling me to believe, well, that’s rude, no matter how *you* want to spin it – it’s just plain rude, it says that your opinion is better than mine, regardless of my opinion. “just have faith” is saying that whatever my opinion is, yours is better than mine… fuck you! You don’t even know me, so you can “just get fucked” if you think i should “just have faith” or that I should “just believe”… rude much?

NO SHIT SHERLOCK

god existing *logically* is impossible. yes, a logical god is complete bullshit, no SHIT Sherlock!

so why even use logic to “debunk” the illogical? *how* can the illogical even have logic applied to it in the first place?

god is everywhere at once? infinitely powerful?? has “lived” for all eternity?? none of that makes sense because it’s ILLOGICAL!

so god is already illogical, but don’t let me stop you wracking your brains over just how illogical god is, because therein lies the *FUN* of god – what if god did this – what if god did that…

but to think that a fancy bit of logic categorically proves that god does not exist (or *does* exist for that matter), well good on you for being soooo “clever”, but you might as well try to prove that love doesn’t exist, because people believe in god because of *feelings* – logic won’t help you as much as you would like when feelings are involved, as logical concepts tend to go right over a lot of people’s heads *anyway*, many people have no idea how to understand your logical points of view, so your extreme cleverness, is fucking pointless.

you’d have just as much luck teaching monkeys about quantum physics, so getting upset over people not agreeing with your “logical” take on god, the most illogical thing of all, that is illogical in itself as well, isn’t it?

you fucking embarrass yourself by demanding that god doesn’t exist. because to make such a claim, is to claim that you are god yourself, because only god would know if god categorically existed or did not exist, right?

getting upset is exactly what a spoilt child with a tendency to temper tantrum would do.. like a child getting pissed off that their ice-cream keeps melting while they are standing in the sun on a hot day, but not realising even for a second, that it’s the heat that is causing the ice cream to melt…. stand in the fucking shade and eat your ice-cream cone you dumb little shit!!!

THE SANTA CLAUS SYNDROME

imagine a child, after thinking that Santa Claus was real for the first few years of life, but then figures out that Santa, is really mum and dad.

But then imagine that child, after he’d finally accepted that Santa Claus was just the parents, imagine if some little kid told him that Santa Claus was *real*, he would go into flying fits of rage telling everyone that “NO !!! YOUR DUMBASH- THERS NOT AS SANTA CLAUIS!” ..

that’s what “angry” atheists are like, but jerks are jerks no matter what they believe, and it’s about time people started to realise that it’s “extremists” in general that are the problem, regardless of beliefs. (it’s just that religious jerks are in greater abundance)

But why would anyone get upset that there is no Santa Claus?

could it be, that they really *wanted* Santa Claus to be real, but now they know the truth … they are mega ticked off about it not being true, could they be mega ticked off about being deceived? pissed off about having their warm-and-fuzzy feelings taken away from them? can they get back some of the stolen innocence of their youth by telling as many other little kids that Santa is not real either, so as to share that pain around? they felt it, so why not spoil it for every other kid as well?

Imagine that kid in the school grounds at lunch time, telling the little kids that they are “fucking stupid” and that they are “retarded” for believing in Santa Claus?

That little shit doesn’t give a reason for there being no Santa, he just says “Think about it!! it’s the TRUTH! It’s your PARENTS! SANTA CLAUS IS YOUR MUM AND DAD!!!” .. but there’s all the big kids, “ahem, yeah, Santa Claus isn’t real, so what? let the little kids have their innocence now that they believe, and what difference does it make to you?”

Santa Claus didn’t make sense, but we still believed it, because we liked the *idea* of some magical or larger than life person making a big fucking deal out of little old us.

Maybe we should thank Coca Cola or whoever it was that commercialised Santa Claus? maybe a lot more little kids were able to “figure out” Santa a lot sooner because the shops make such a big deal out of Christmas shopping time for over a month every year!.. so kids see Santa more often in the shops, on the TV, and in advertising, etc, so they end up thinking about the Santa concept for longer.

so if children can figure out that Santa isn’t real, what is stopping the next logical step of this awakening to bullshitism? …..

what makes people hang on to “god”, because ya know, *god* makes even *less* sense than Santa Claus so uhmmm???? could it be that most kids are so fickle, they only care about getting the presents, they don’t actually think about the concept of god, ooopps, I mean Santa, they just want the warm-and-fuzzy feeling of getting stuff, so that they feel loved…. and besides, ultimately, Santa Claus is far more real than god will ever be, it’s a lot easier to debunk something that is real.

and since god belief is just our own personal warm and fuzzy feelings, born of our illogical and emotional need for security, using logic against something founded in our illogical emotions, is even more illogical and even more illogical than that – is to expect your logic to work on the fundamentalist.

IS LOVE REAL? IS GOD LOVE ON A STICK (part 1)

so god being real or not, is beside the point, you can not debunk the illogical with logic.. right?

for instance: is “love” real? how can you debunk love? you can’t touch it – you can feel it – how do you prove that you love someone? you could do many things for them – but how does anything prove categorically that you love someone? You could put your life on the line for someone, perhaps nearly die, but who is to say you would not have done that same thing anyway, even for someone you did not even know, let alone love? Point being, is that “love” is a very broad term.

but love – in technical terms – is just a chemical response (that warm and fuzzy feeling you get) when you know that someone cares about you, or when you feel “warmly” for someone else, isn’t it?

i mean, how else, can you describe love without referring to other feelings?

pfft!… oh I hear some of you, “god *is* love” … *sigh*

well, that may be so, but god *is* just a feeling in the first place, so it’s quite a nice sentiment to describe god as being “love”, in fact, the bible even says that god is love! So “god is love” – fine by me, whatever makes you happy – *shrugs*shoulders*

that’s what the whole god thing boils down to for a lot of people, isn’t it? you can’t rely on other people to be nice and to love you at all times – but you can rely on god to love you at all times no matter how crappy things have turned for you, so why not run with this notion that *god* loves you, that way it doesn’t matter if you’re a total creep and nobody can stand to have you around, you’ve got god/Jesus/allah/blah/blah/blah ….

being cared for and loved for all eternity is what we really want, because our lives are so small in this universe, some of us need to believe in god to make themselves feel connected with the universe and if you love the creator of the universe then you are set to live for all eternity, and the mere pittance of a price for this love, is that we tolerate a lot of bullshit from the people/deity giving us this love for half a dozen decades or so..

eg… oh he’s my brother so i put up with his drinking…

she’s my cousin, so i don’t care that he’s a prostitute..

oh they are my partner, so i let them beat me because I love them….

oh he’s my best friend, so i don’t care that he owes me thousands of dollars…

oh god is god, so god can flood the world and kill everyone as *often* as it wants! right??!?!

people far too often seem to want to put up with a lot of bullshit, just to gain a little bit of love, so it’s no wonder that some people can turn to god, no matter how strongly their previous convictions were that they didn’t believe.

and a significant proportion of christians would have us believe, that love from god, merely requires that you believe in Jesus.

that’s it – that’s all you need to do – just believe;.. don’t even need to snap your fingers, nor click your heels, nor do the hokey pokey and not even turn about – all you need to do is believe.

so god can give you love – plenty of it – god is love on a stick – god can fill the gap in the emotional needs of a person, exactly the same way that little kids have imaginary friends…. and the more emotionally invested your are in your god, the less you can grow emotionally ….

yes, you read that right … the children of god, indeed; thus making the non-believers, the adults …

NOTHING MAKES SENSE ABOUT GOD – SO WHY EXPECT A SERIOUS RESULT TO YOUR SPECULATIONS ABOUT IT?

and let us not forget that in spite of all your logic, if god was real and you could somehow lay down a challenge to it, god could always cheat..

that’s right…

if there is a god, what is stopping it from *cheating* to get around your “clever” logic anyway…

you and all your logic could not defeat a god…. you kid yourself if you think that your little bit of logic can defeat “god” !!! …

your logic might be able to squash the christian or muslim god – that’s easy – but that is *only* because those bunches of religiopeople didn’t have a very good imagination (nor hindsight like we do today) when they were dreaming up their god creature.

so if you reckon god can’t do some lame thing like draw a square circle, then think again…

what if god draws a circle, so you *see* a circle being drawn, but then god goes and changes your brain such that the definition of a *square* is now a circle? so now, even though you saw a circle drawn, even though you *know* it *was* a circle – you *now* see a square..

so now, the rest of us would now laugh at you for calling circles, “squares”…

which would be your personal punishment from god for your arrogance in challenging it with some trivial and mundane, but supposedly clever riddle to try and trick god, so now you get to spend the rest of your life going mad saying “I saw a *circle* drawn, how can it be a *square* now?”, as you clutch the worn down and crumpled bit of drawing paper that god sketched your squircle on…. in your padded room…. with drool dribbling down your “bib”… from inside a jacket that someone else needs to release you from.

see? god could *Cheat* the arse right off you and you wouldn’t even know, so even those things that apparently make sense now, could be thrown out the window, should this god so choose to do such a thing to your arse.

Point being is that nothing thus far has made sense about god nor did anything seem big enough to me about god, nor can I see how this god thing would ever make sense!

“god made the universe??!?! that’s it? one piddly little universe? this god didn’t really aspire to that big of a task, did it? i mean, it’s *god*, right?”

the best nonsensical thing i can think of that would allow god to know everything, is if god was every *where* and every *when* at once, so it wouldn’t need to *know* or *Remember* anything, it would be there to see it all happen in real time….. and god could also be everywhere at once, but be out-of-phase with us, but still able to see this universe….. or how about god sitting above our dimension??..

making sense of those statements and *how* god could do that is *fun*.

MAKING SENSE OF, AND ABOUT GOD?

for me – the closest thing to making sense of god in our universe, is that the universe itself is god… but if that is so, then there’s no point in having “faith” as your every moment of existence would be proof of god, it would be a fact, as you would be in constant contact with god all the time, so the whole higher “god being” becomes redundant – which is not why people believe in god anyway, is it?

people want warmth and fuzziness, and you can’t get that from an inanimate object.

So god being the universe, doesn’t appeal to people, because people *want* to believe in fantasy, basically, so they can feel warm and fuzzy about things that they can not control.

I quite clearly remember, as a very young child, *wanting* to believe in god because I didn’t want the end of my life here on earth to be the end of things completely, I wanted to live forever, and *god* was the only option in that regard, at least to my very young mind. It was my fear of death that made me want to believe in god, but I never could though – god just didn’t take ..

and quite frankly, the most fantastic thing that god could do, would be to create itself, and as far as I can understand, the universe *did* create itself, whatever the specifics were of how it actually happened.. ie. big bang, big rip in space, big crunch, string theory, parallel universe, colliding universes, quantum fluctuations, blah blah blah – whatever it was – the universe making itself is far more impressive and believable than anything anybody has ever said about their god, at least it is for me.

so when I say I don’t believe in god, that means any and every god “being” that has ever been made up… but that *still* does not mean that a god “being” does not exist, there still could be some creature-being that fits the “god, creator of the universe” model, i doubt that there is a god though.. but what I don’t doubt, is that every believer’s idea of god is wrong, because no-one who believes in god, thinks big enough about their god!

UNIVERSE MAKING ITSELF ONLY REQUIRES ONE FANTASTIC THING TO HAVE HAPPENED…

the universe making itself requires one fantastic thing to consider, that being that the universe made itself out of nothing

god making the universe requires two fantastic things to consider, that there *is* a god, and that this god is so powerful, it *could* make a universe out of nothing

and who knows, our universe could have been accidentally created by a bunch of aliens in a science experiment that went wrong, and if that were true, those aliens would be “god, creators of the universe”, we just don’t know

you’d think that as we learn more about the universe, that the people claiming to be smart amongst us, would realise that the more we know, the more it is apparent it is about just how little we *do* know… eg. when we were kids we thought we knew everything, the older we got, the more we realise just how much we didn’t know…

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

–Shakespeare

BELIEF ISN’T THE PROBLEM – IT’S WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THEIR BELIEFS THAT IS

i say let people have their god, because if they wanted it so bad and you made them realise the truth by hammering it home at them that they are stupid dumbarse morons, then don’t expect those people to be happy about being forced to give away something that loved them… imagine if you took a puppy away from a child that had just gotten used to it??

so, have fun exploring that idea, “is there a god?”, but ultimately, who gives a fuck? because it’s what people *do* with that belief that can be a problem, do we really think religious people will stop being fuck-heads once they aren’t religious? i don’t think so!! they’ll probably be *Worse*! i bet that’s probably where all the atheists who act like fucktards come from..

in my experience, it’s been the *ego* of a person and their extreme desire to believe (or not believe) that has been the problem, so if you destroy someone’s beliefs, (or make them turn *to* god for that matter), their ego will just get bigger to compensate, and that will be a bigger problem, because if you’ve shown them to be wrong, the ego will need to become bigger in order to compensate for having to accept that it really does have a small penis and that everyone knows it has a small penis, as well.

catching someone out in a lie, could see them tell a bigger lie to cover up that first lie.

but even being angry about god not existing, must feel good in some strange sort of way, because you get to *feel*. But feelings can always be taken to extreme, and god, regardless of it being “logically impossible”, god is still *real* to those who believe because people’s *feelings* are always going to be real…

IS LOVE REAL? IS GOD LOVE ON A STICK (part 2)

is love “real”?

try and define love without referring to other feelings and all you’ll get is that “love” is just the brain and body reacting to inputs from the senses…

but that notion of love isn’t enough for some people, so their brains invent things to make them feel better, some people fantasise about the person they can’t have, and some pretend that they rule the world, but some people just don’t have the imagination to make up something elaborate to pump up their egos, so we have “warm-and-fuzzy” on a stick for you, and it’s called “god”, and all you need to do to feel warm-and-fuzzy.. is just *believe*, and you’ll be *loved*, for all eternity…

all religion is idolatry… (religiorant)   Leave a comment

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all religion is idolatry…

mostly written on 12/12/10…. mostly.. and i *swear* it was only a short blog at first … oh well…

I’m a religious extremist, because I think that religion, and I mean all of it, every single bit of it, it is all idolatry at the very least on some level…

what I am saying is that the religious can have their religion, but they can keep it to themselves, because not only does religious paraphernalia and rhetoric annoy the fuck out of me, but by not keeping their religion to themselves, it’s a good chance that the religious are getting their religion wrong, so by keeping it to themselves they are doing themselves a favour, by not pissing god off by committing idolatry.

so if the religious would completely refrain from bragging about their beliefs, then they would have a much better chance of not committing idiotry idolatry – thereby avoiding that hell-fire and brimstone lake thing i heard about once that happens if you break the first commandment.

so, because non-believers have no actual beliefs about god, they can *not* commit idolatry, therefore a non-believer can not break the first commandment.

So stop trying to combat religion with your own “arsenal” of logic and science, hi-jack the launch codes of their own “arsenal” and use their own religion back at them.

JUST FORGET ABOUT IT

so forget about logical proofs, for *or* against god, forget any evidence for or against religion *whatsoever* – and that includes the bible itself, god, Jesus, Allah, Muhammad, forget your clever logic, forget you’re debunking of stupid stories that even eight year old kids can see as being stupid, forget the pope being a cock head saying that atheism is the bane of society, forget about whether christmas and easter are pagan rituals that the christians hi-jacked and now the christians think it’s theirs …. ra ra ra .. forget it all

so, forget about any argument *for* or *against* religion, because all religious things are idolatry, because the only thing that matters when it comes to people and their precious religion, is the meaning of what that religion has taught… anything else, is beside the point….

the entire point of christianity is to follow the TWO commandments of Jesus…. not the *TEN* COMMANDMENTS of *Moses* – the TWO commandments of Jesus *outrank* and *supersede* the ten, and unless you’re pretty stupid, you’d know that… so for those who are stupid and didn’t know that fact, and *yes* there are people who are THAT stupid. Some stupid cunt once told me that my silly notions of Jesus teaching TWO commandments were some kind of Jedi mind trick I was trying to play on him.

Let me say this again: I got into an argument with a CHRISTIAN, who DEMANDED that I not make up stories about Jesus teaching TWO COMMANDMENTS and that I should keep my JEDI MIND TRICKS to myself.

I’m sorry, but if that’s person is not a stupid cunt, then the word “cunt” should never be used again.

So to reiterate; these are not Jedi Mind Tricks, they are the two commandments that Jesus taught::

“love thy god before all others” and “love thy neighbour as you would have them love you”

So that whole dying on the cross thing, was a metaphor for making the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate way to show that you “love thy neighbour”! right?

and by following the second commandment, you are inherently following the first, because the highest law in the bible that christians are COMMANDED to follow, is “love”. don’t believe me? then maybe it’s *you* that needs to read the bible!

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

so anything else apart from showing love/respect/honour/tolerance towards your fellow humans, is beside the point, right? what’s the point of calling yourself a christian if that simple notion of treating others well, is not put first in your life?

if you can’t “love thy neighbour” then you are bullshitting the world by telling us you are christian.

so with that being said, in terms of christianity: christmas is beside the point, and Easter too, the ten commandments have been superseded, even the bible is beside the point, Jesus, Satan and god itself, Job, Moses, St Peter, St Paul – whatever it is – it’s all beside the point… “Do unto others” should be simple enough a notion such that it could be passed on by verbal traditions – so what was the frikking point in muddying the waters with all of that whole religion thing wrapped around it?

none of these things are anything to do with following what Jesus taught, these are all ICONS representing christianity… eg. how is saying “Praise Jesus” *actually* “loving thy neighbour”?? saying “Praise Jesus” is NOTHING to do with showing love for others.

if you don’t get that, then christianity is a big fail for you.

Even “Jesus” himself is an idolatrous representation of this alleged direct descendant of god. There was no person called “Jesus” 2000 years ago, the letter “J” wasn’t even part of our alphabet 500 years ago, so how the fuck could there have been someone called “J”esus in biblical times?

even having an innocent image of god in your head is idolatry on some vague level if you’re a believer, because how could you possibly know what god looks like? so any idea you have about god, is pure guess-work, so if you *do* guess as to some aspect about the nature of god, then you have *made*up* an image of god in your head.., therefore it’s IDOLATRY..

and i don’t care if it’s in your imagination, talk to the hand, it’s still idolatry… it’s not golden calf level idolatry, but it’s still idolatrous nonetheless…

DERK DERKA! MUHAMMAD JIHAD DERK DERKA!

even the Muslims getting fucked off about those drawings of Muhammad are committing idolatry, and committing idolatry is the *very* fucking thing that they are getting fucked off about in the first place!

to show what I mean as an example: think about this dot -> .

see that dot? that’s Muhammad, *the* prophet of Islam…

but that’s not idolatry to me, not in the least, I don’t believe in Muhammad’s teachings, *whatever* they are, I was barely even aware that Islam even existed ten years ago, so I’ve got no idea about the teachings of Muhammad – and that’s the point, isn’t it?

I don’t know crap about Muhammad, I’ve not read the Koran or Hadiths and I’ve no intention of doing so either!! so how can I even know what’s blasphemous and what’s not? how can *I* commit idolatry and have that actually mean something. Don’t *I* need to be a Muslim to commit idolatry towards Islam?

and seriously, you can get fucked if you think you’re going to ask me to “learn” about Islam, let alone convert and make tolerance concessions for things like “Sharia Law” – where a woman can be convicted of adultery for admitting to getting *raped* – Sharia “law” is a system where eyewitness testimony is held in higher regard than any evidence. Look it up.

but back to the dot that is Muhammad, if a Muslim were to look at that dot and then recognise that dot as Muhammad, simply because my infidel arse has gone and said that it’s Muhammad, then that Muslim would then be committing idolatry because they are acknowledging that that representation of Muhammad *IS* a representation of Muhammad. Because if it wasn’t a valid or accurate representation of Muhammad, then why get upset?

so, some Muslim sees Muhammad drawn as a dog getting fucked by a pig and they get upset? well, it’s *only* idolatry *when* that Muslim takes offence because they are recognising that representation as being a valid one of Muhammad. so by getting upset, they are indeed admitting that Muhammad is a dog that gets fucked by pigs.

That’s what a Muslim is saying when they get fucked off about Muhammad pictures, they are admitting that these “alleged” drawings of Muhammad, are no longer *alleged*, but in fact are valid icons representing Muhammad.

too tricky for them?? yeah, I thought so…. and I know it’s not cool to make fun of people, but, well, when you claim your religion is one of peace and then go and make death threats – you’re asking to be mocked. You’re forfeiting your right to complain if you make DEATH THREATS over FUCKING DRAWINGS.

It may be uncool to draw pictures of Muhammad, but it’s a BILLION TIMES more uncool to make death threats and act violently because of said DRAWINGS.

So for *any* representation that is supposedly of Muhammad, a Muslim should look at it and say something like, “That’s not Muhammad (PBUH), because how do *you* know what he looks like? Silly Infidel!! may Allah not smite you *too* much for being so bold!” … LOL!

So in the case of the Muhammad “.” (dot) above, for a Muslim to get all pissed off about that, they are actually acknowledging that that “.” (dot) is *indeed* the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)! and a “.” is a thing, and when a “thing” represents your religion, that’s idolatry, is it not?

and seriously, it’s a DOT … if I showed you a DOT like it was meant to offend you, would I not look extremely stupid for somehow thinking that a DOT could somehow offend someone? yes sir, it’s an extreme example, but aren’t all drawings just heaps of dots all joined together?

dots are things, drawings are things, statues are things… what they mean is up to the person that sees them.

so the only way that that thing can represent your religion, is if the *believer* accepts that thing as being a valid representation of their faith. ERGO it’s IDOLATRY on the part of the believer, because remember from the start of this rant, non-believers can’t commit idolatry.

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE LEAGUE OF THE SUPER BEST FRIENDS

but back to christianity: the point of what Jesus taught was that JC said to ‘”do” unto others as you would have them “do” unto you’, and “do” is an action, which is unlike many of the ten commandments, which say to “not” do particular things… and “not” doing something is pretty fucking easy…

don’t lie…. i can’t lie very well *anyway*…

don’t steal… no problem…

don’t commit adultery… pfft!…

don’t murder… easy…

don’t work on the sabbath and keep it sacred.. no worries!! I want to have *every* day as that sabbath sacred have a day off thing…

don’t covet… urrr…

well, a couple of the commandments are easy, and i bet a lot of people “think” that if they aren’t breaking *all* the ten commandments, then they’ll at least get into the cheap seats in heaven…

I bet there are even people who by just saying “I believe in Jesus”, that they then think it means they get into heaven… lip service much? just because you give Jesus a blow-job, it doesn’t mean you’re going to heaven when you die!!

but in terms of what Jesus taught, ie. “*do* unto others” aka “*love* thy neighbour” aka “The Golden Rule”, any amount of words, images, ideas, verses, none of it matters…. it’s all idolatry

sure, the preachers, the bibles and other “things” in a religion may teach the very foundations of that religion, *but* all that is too much for an apathetic “western” society that wants an instant fix of feeling “good”. which is stupid because the entire basis of what Jesus taught can be summarised as “be nice to other people if you want them to be nice to you” or even mowed down to one or two words – “be nice!” “show respect!” … “*patience*” .. if christians can’t remember that much, then it’s time to give it the fuck away.

so instead of the little mantras like “Praise Jesus”, “I love god”, “I believe in Jesus”, “Allah Ackbah” and other catchy but meaningless phrases that religious people often use, they should say things like “Do unto others!” … stupid idea, hey? would we rather the annoying christians go around saying “Praise Jesus!” or would it better if they said “Be nice!” ??

surely people are not that fucking stupid that they need to have an *entire* religion wrapped around the “Golden Rule” concept? is that why a lot of people can’t follow christianity properly? they are still wading through all the bullshit nonsense stories of that religion and have not got to the actual meaning behind the religion yet? like someone who fills up on the appetisers before they get to the main meal… I told you not to eat lollies before having dinner, didn’t I?!?!?!

I BELIEVE, SO *I* ROCK!! THANK YOU JESUS!

in western society, it’s clear that there are too many i-believe-in-jesus-so-i-go-to-heaven-when-i-die-regardless-of-what-I-do type of christians out there… I have a sneaking suspicion that they are the majority… and i’m pretty sure this “rule” applies to other religions, especially the monotheistic ones that say “don’t commit idolatry” as part of their commandments….

it would seem that many people are just too lazy to think enough to be able to give away their religion, but, it may be all they have, as some people clearly just *need* to believe, they *need* moral guidance, and even getting their religion grossly wrong, may just be a better thing than them having no religion at all… so if you want to keep Jesus in your heart, that’s just fine by me. do it! I envy the feeling it must give you, but it’s attachment, it’s idolatry, it’s not the point of your belief system…

i think that the true point of belief results from being selfless, the pure enjoyment you get out of helping someone out for the sake of helping them out, with no thought of reward. You wouldn’t even be minimally selfish enough to even notice that you were being helpful… you would be helpful as a reflex action… like with breathing: how often do you think, “oh shit man! I’m breathing!”!!

but regardless, any thing to do with a religion is beside the point; christmas, easter, chocolate, easter bunnies, chocolate easter bunnies, christmas chocolate easter bunnies, santa claus, the “holy” land, holy months, meccas, maccas, 1500 year old ruined buildings where some prophet’s horse took a piss, vaticans, popes, crucifixes, churches, synagogues, mosques, cartoons of your favourite prophet, communions, inquisitions, crusades, jihads, fatwas, temples on the mount, sacred ground, blah de fucking blah blah blah ….

in the example of christianity, all those things mean nothing compared to actually *doing* unto others (aka, treating people with respect, because you want to be treated with respect), so all of those “things” are just icons or idols representing christianity, even images of Jesus and god in your *head* are beside the point, because they are *not* actions, you are supposed to convey the message of christianity via your actions, and actions do not include going around telling people to just arbitrarily believe in Jesus….

*sigh*

if all those “things” actually clearly conveyed the notion of “love thy neighbour”, then that’s a different story, but i’ve not seen anyone “being” christian for over a decade, and no amount of words can convey love anyway, it’s your actions that ACTUALLY matter when it comes to love. You may say you’re my friend, or that you love me, or that you respect me, but unless your actions actually mesh with the things you *do*, then your words mean nothing…

so saying “Praise Jesus”, “I love god”, “just read the bible”, “Evolution is a lie”, or making some bible quote, or any other random phrase that identifies your self as a christian without actually showing that you are *being* christian or that you are showing an *understanding* of what Jesus has taught, then it’s all beside the point.

In fact, some christians have their religion so wrong, that they are completely OFFENSIVE towards the teachings of Jesus in their blatant ability to get their own alleged religion, WRONG..

people can keep their religions, as long as they keep it them to themselves, because every thing else apart from what you keep to your self, is idolatry…

you are supposed to teach and share your religion by acting in the manner it says you should act, if you don’t act like your religion tells you to, then you are a hypocrite

it’s what you do that matters, so keep your offensive ideas of morality to yourself, it may work for you, and that’s good, but you’re just killing your religion by trying to tell other people that your religion is better, and just announcing that you’re a follower of some particular religion like it was meant to mean something, even that is idolatry… so yes, even simply listing your religion on your online profile – even that is a mild form of idolatry…

eg. so what if you’re christian? so frikking what? unless you act christ-like, you’re just bragging that you’re something that you’re not.

maybe that’s the problem with religion? believers in a western society have been so pumped up on happy endings in their sitcoms, novels, reality tv shows, movies, and gossip shows, that everyone automatically thinks that believing in Jesus, gets you that happy ending with a free ticket to heaven? yes, that’s idolatry too..

like being part of the “in-crowd” because you went and saw some movie, but didn’t “get” what the movie was about, but that’s okay, you’ve seen the movie, so you’re “in” – it didn’t matter that you didn’t understand the movie. …. …. . .. *WRONG* .. it makes you a PRETENDER

NON-BELIEVERS CAN’T COMMIT IDOLATRY

and to reiterate what I said at the start, non-believers, by not believing that any particular image of god, is *actually* “god”, even in their brains, are incapable of breaking the first commandment… they can’t commit idolatry….

god is an unknown, right? so to *not* form any image of god avoids creating an incorrect image of god, therefore non-believers have a superior ability in not committing idolatry, and are avoiding breaking the first commandment.

which is worse? following the wrong religion? following no religion at all? or following the “correct” religion, but then getting it wrong? which group do you think god is going to be most pissed at? If you’re going to do something, do it well.

“do what you do do well, boy, do what you do do well, give your love and all of your heart, and do what you do do, well”

so do you like that implication?

by *not* believing in any image of anything “godly”, even if that image is in your brain, you avoid breaking the first commandment, you don’t make the *wrong* choice for your god because you have chosen none.

and I know it says something like “love thy god before all others” .. but it’s not about loving god, not directly, it’s more about *not* forming some random idea of god; it’s about *not* assuming anything about god; it’s all about avoiding the line of thought that somehow just believing is all you need to do; it’s about *not* forming the idea that god just happens to want the exact same thing that you just happen to want… *rolls*eyes*

because if you form *any* idea of god, you are making an assumption about god, and to make an assumption about something that you emotionally believe in, well, that’s a recursive loop, possibly the one that sustains the beliefs of many people.

Belief is an addiction, and it’s recursive because you get emotional reward from believing, but your beliefs require that you make assumptions, so you need to make bigger and bigger assumptions to get your “religious fix” until you’ve told yourself assumptions that are so big that your head is so far up your arse that nothing else can contradict that lump of crap that jammed up there that you just can’t quite shit out…

and making assumptions about god also instantly demotes it from being a god anyway, because as soon as you have some idea of what you think god wants or is or whatever, you are putting a mortal limit on god…. making mortal representations of god means you are putting mortal limits on god. and putting a limit on god, renders that “god” status null and void.

god is an unknown, so please just fucking leave it at that and get on with your life and you won’t be committing idolatry…

Posted 20 December, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, idiots, idolatry, Islam, islame, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

do atheists give religiously obsessed ppl a hard time? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

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do atheists give religiously obsessed ppl a hard time?

this is kind of all over the place ….. mostly written 26th October 2010, mostly….

i’ve often heard the religious say that nasty atheists were, or are giving them a hard time….

well, boo friikking hoo – the shoe is finally on the other foot after well over a thousand years of the religiously obsessed being arseholes to everyone in the name of “peace”…

at least atheists don’t go around preaching notions of peace from their holy scripture (they don’t *h*a*v*e* any holy scripture) only to be total hypocrites by completely and utterly ignoring or getting those scriptures *wrong*..

in other words, far too many of the religiously obsessed, BRAG about following something that they aren’t even following correctly in the first place!!

that’s pretty fucking pathetic… and they have the nerve to whinge about atheists?

but how soon “these” people forget that for way more than a thousand years, christians were the ones persecuting non-believers, and that christians would even persecute other christians with their multiple crusades, hundreds of years of inquisitions, and reformations, witch hunts etc etc… (The Fourth Crusade didn’t make it to the middle east, the Crusaders from the WEST christian empire, invaded the EAST christian empire! )

and how soon we forget that the Muslims, for the first 100 years of their religion, that they conquered everything from the west of India, to Saudi Arabia, to Turkey, to Egypt, all the way across the North of Africa and all the way to *Spain*… religion of peace, my arse.

i mention this because recently a poor “persecuted” online christian believer mentioned something to me, alluding to the fact that all the atheists that they had encountered in real life, ended up giving them a hard time….

anyone see the problem with this person?

if you have a problem with *every* person you encounter that has different religious beliefs to you, then NEWSFUCKINGFLASHMORON!!

IT IS *YOU* THAT HAS THE FUCKING PROBLEM!

does it occur to these Sluts for their Religion, that if every non-believer they encounter gives them a hard time about their beliefs, then it is *THEM* that is obviously being belligerent towards everyone else who doesn’t share their bullshit god story, therefore they are *creating* the animosity between themselves and the non-believer?

Anyone who needs to defend their bullshit beliefs so seriously, is *CREATING* the animosity between themselves and the people who don’t share their beliefs because they don’t really believe in those beliefs.. ie. if you had faith, you would not need to get upset, you should not even need to even feel the need to defend your religion, let alone actually go and defend it…

if I didn’t have faith, then I wouldn’t go around stating that much now would I? I would only make an issue of not having faith WHEN some moron with faith had a hissy fit at me for not believing. If you don’t have cancer, you don’t go around saying that you don’t have cancer, do you?

That’s a bit like if you were told the sun wasn’t going to rise, then you go into a wild temper tantrum over that statement that conflicted with your “belief” that the sun would rise tomorrow. ie. if you truly believed the sun was going to rise tomorrow, why would you get upset if some clown said it wasn’t?

WELL???

here-in lies the problem with people and their religion, if somebody can rattle the believer and their beliefs, then they DO NOT TRULY BELIEVE – it’s *that* simple

and ya know, seriously, if people want to be pricks, then they will be pricks, and we should expect that to happen, but if you are going to be a prick, you better not go around pretending that you are morally superior, that your religion is “peaceful”, that it preaches “tolerance”… point is, if you are going to say you are religious, then you don’t get to be a fucking hypocritical prick about it while you are preaching peace, love and mung beans of tolerance of your religion while doing the exact fucking opposite….

the religious fucktards are the ones with the holy scripture telling them to be nice to everyone, not the non-believers…

that is to say, that believers HAVE NO EXCUSE TO **NOT** BE NICE TO EVERYONE…

did you hear me?

religious fucktards have NO EXCUSE FOR BEING CRAPPY TO OTHER PEOPLE – you are PERMANENTLY SUPPOSED TO BE ON YOUR BEST BEHAVIOUR, that’s the price you pay for claiming to be like Jesus, or that your religion is one of peace.

i expect nothing short of Jesus-like behaviour from every christian, NO EXCEPTIONS, ALL THE TIME, and yet, many clearly are far from being Christ-like, a lot are not even able to ignore others that do not share their fantasy story, they just have to *React* in an outburst of rage to provide an affirmation for their beliefs, and a lot of them give their *fellow* believers, who believe in something ever so slightly different, the hardest time of all.

To put it simply, if you are prick to anyone and you claim that you are christian, then taaahhh dahhhhhh…. you are NOT christian, and you NEVER will be

and there is no excuse if you’ve not heard that “do unto others as you would have them do unto you?” is the highest law in christianity… LOVE is the highest law that Jesus taught.. If you don’t believe me, then you’ve missed the point of the bible (if you’re a believer) or if you are a non-believer, then you have a tainted view of christianity, which was completely caused by that previous bunch who have missed the point of their bible in it’s message that LOVE is the highest law…

even “Saint” Paul said ….

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

perhaps LOVE is too strong a word, and should be read as “being NICE”, as we wouldn’t want any HOMOPHOBES to think we’re cracking on to them, now would we? … so instead of “love thy neighbour as you would have them love you”, it should be read as “be nice to other people, in the same way that you want them to be nice to you!” .. frankly I’d be happy if people were taught that you “don’t be a cunt to people if you don’t want them to be a cunt to you”

If you are a prick to anyone while you pretend to be christian, then you are LYING that you are christian .. now i don’t mind if you lie to yourself, that’s none of my business, but make it my business by spewing that lie to me or any other non-believer, and you are definitely at risk of being given a hard time, and if you don’t want to be given a hard time about your religion, then it’s best you shut the fuck up about it

so if you can’t follow your precious holey scripture, and at least try to get along with everyone, then you are just a Slut for Jesus/Muhammad/Moses .. and that’s all you are…. and yes, that’s more IDOLATRY, as you are making out that the fact that you believe, is more important than what your beliefs have taught you.

and if ppl disagree with your religious views, then *LET* them, otherwise they *WILL* call you out if you start being pricks to them about things that don’t even fucking matter…

the moral of the story?

religious obsession, is no different to being stupidly obsessed over things like Harry Potter, or Dungeons and Dragons, or Justin Beiber, or Britney ra ra ra or the even more ridiculous obsession with “Twilight” and vampires that are glittery….. well, it’s no different, except for the fact that religion is *much* *worse*, because at least most of these “fads” burn themselves out, either that, or those fad stricken people actually GROW THE FUCK UP

Posted 26 November, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, idolatry, Islam, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, WP