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Jesus loves me, and I don’t care … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

religion is stupid, we know this because we often laugh at others who don’t fit in and who stick out like a sore thumb, or at the very least, we raise our eyebrows in bewilderment at people who are different to us. Like those people who dress up and mimic their heroes at movies (Star Wars movie premiers and Rocky Horror reruns etc) and fan conferences (Star Trek conventions) and those medieval weekends (Renaissance Festivals) where people dress up like they did in the middle ages and other time periods.

That’s what religion is, except people do it as part of their *real*lives*, like nutters who plunge into their full blown rants about how “Jesus is LORD” and how they praise god and how you just need to believe in Jesus or Allah or the Space Monkeys from Alpha Cygni 3 – and those nutters think that behaving like that is somehow acceptable…

Religion is just a place where people “dress up” and pretend to be “good” when the fact of the matter is, they would probably have been “good” people *anyway*, even without all the religious mumbo jumbo. In fact, they probably would be better people if not for religion.

And you know, people can have their god and their religion, that’s all okay and fine by me… but if you are going to try and spread your bullshit, you should be prepared to defend your bullshit as well if you are going to shove them in my face.

RELIGION IS LIKE CIGARETTE SMOKE

I don’t care about religion in much the same way that I don’t care about cigarette smoke, that is to say that i don’t care about it until it’s in my face when I’m trying to breathe. ie. I should not have to tell you to keep your smoke away from me, so when I turn around and give you a dirty look, don’t fucking stand there like a dumbarse with a look on your face that says “what did I do?” when you know damn fucking well that I’m turning blue in the face from not being able to breathe!

The point being, no matter how much you think your cultural or spiritual or personal habits do not seem to be bothering any of the dozens of other people directly around you, you should take it as a given that *somebody* does not like having to put up with you being an arrogant dick with your stupid fantasy bullshit, and that you should know damn fucking well that it is likely to be making other people uncomfortable and the reason why you put forward your religion all the time is to intimidate people, in the name of god (aka .. your ego) – and if you don’t realise your religion could possibly be making others uncomfortable then you are probably one of the people that can’t understand why atheists “rail” against religion ….

The only reason most people get away with being a prick with their religion, or any of their other selfish habits for that matter, is because most people are too polite to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

Religion is the “fad” that has hit critical mass where people are so used to having it around, they don’t bother telling idiotic religiotards to stop being stupid.

(UPDATE 1/11/2011: although I will concede a resurgence of christians telling christian-religiotards to put a sock in it, but only from Australian christians though, and given the sheer volume of content from the USA I am exposed to – I find US christians to be abysmally lacking in the department of “moderate” christians telling the religiously ridiculous to shut the fuck up. Instead, however, in the USA I have noticed a trend that by the time people are ready to be openly critical of christians, they have stopped calling themselves christians altogether and now refer to themselves as atheists)

And the end result of a fad that has hit critical mass is that your fad allows adults to embarrass themselves.

Religion is what it would be like if a Star Trek convention had so many people attend that the perimeter of people participating escaped the confines of the convention center and can now live on its own because it now has so many people doing Star Trek things that a feedback loop of Trekkerisms amongst the general population keeps the stories alive such that after a few decades, not many people realise that Star Trek was just a TV show.

Imagine if everyone based their morality on Star Trek? As well having *everyone* say things like “beam me up” and “Engage, Mr Crusher!” and everyone thought that wearing red shirts was bad luck and that the most popular drink was “Tea, Earl Grey. Hot” and every little girl wanted to be a communications officer like Uhura; and somehow Tiberius was a top ten ranking name for boys and people walked around giving praise to “The Picard”, just to name a few Trekkerisms?

Not saying that any of these things are bad, but the point is, what if people went around living in this Star Trek inspired society, but hadn’t even seen a single episode of it?

That is what religion is to most religious people, yeah sure people like Captain Picard or Captain Kirk or Spock or Jesus, but if you didn’t even watch the show, let alone actually enjoyed the message that it sends – Star Trek, especially Next Generation, set a very strong example of good morality in my opinion – then how can you really be a Trekker?

If you’d never seen an episode, then how could you possibly understand the message of morality that Star Trek sent? All you have is some weird fad that many people have been conditioned into liking and yet those people generally have no idea that the whole thing is just fantasy, which leads to “apologist” explanations as to why we are not flying around space right now like “we have forgotten how to fly in space and we now live in a ‘simpler’ time” ….

*facepalm*

US AND THEM……

But this whole us v them thing between non-believers and believers?

well, it is like the non-believing geeks trying to out-do the believing jocks at being popular …. you’ve probably seen Revenge of the Nerds, right?

it’s no wonder atheism is becoming a “religion”, it’s prudent for it to become such a thing, simply because the religious are too fucking stupid to understand the concept of *not* believing in “something”, to be able to understand how to reject it properly….

That’s right..

it may just be inevitable that atheism will dumb down its own “brand-name” due to people joining its ranks that need to readily identify with something in order for them to identify with ie. atheism lacks a *thing* that people can latch onto , which in turn would allow the religionuts to be “defeated” by something that they themselves can embrace.

This is happening already, with all the different “flavours” of atheism. “New Atheism” – “Militant Atheism” – “Christian Atheism” “Agnostic Atheism” … yes … christian atheism…. ahem … oh well … whatever makes you happy, I guess 😀

I think all these new groups of atheists may very well be people who have recently become atheists and have dumped their religion, but they still need to find something to rally around mentally. “Religion: without the supernatural calories“, perhaps? ..

It’s kind of like ice cream, a lot of people would not bother to have an ice cream if it was just plain vanilla ice cream. That is to say that, atheism, by itself, just isn’t shiny enough to stand on its own to grab the mind of a potential atheist. Which isn’t surprising really, because you have to bring your own knowledge and understanding to the atheism party, which might explain why people stick with their religion, at least it is something they can understand, even if they do have it wrong, if it is wrong, beliefs in god cant readily be thrown away as the existence of a god creature cant readily be excluded – eg. for me it is entirely possible this god creature made a blank empty infinite realm of nothingness and over a trillions to the power of trillions of years, this realm of nothingness has spawned billions of universes, all via the natural laws of the vast nothingness.

But for me, I can’t see why it is not enough to just support your country or the planet you live on, religion is grasping for straws that can’t be rejected because of how high and mighty it makes you feel, which in turn, will keep dividing us.

STELLAR NUCLEOSYNTHESIS FOR YOUR PET

Think of it this way: Imagine that in two thousand years, this time “Star Wars” is a big religion and there are all different factions of it (just like christianity has different sects and cults) with constant arguments over how The Force works, or whether Han drew first or not, or how Jabba the Hutt spells his name … and don’t think that is not possible, I’ve had a christian phundie go ballistic at me when I corrected him for incorrectly spelling Jabba’s name “Jabba the Hut” with only the one “t” in “Hutt”.

Seriously, you are better off explaining evolutionary theory or stellar nucleosynthesis to your pet cat than you are trying to explain science to a creationist. At least your pet would love you just for the attention you give it.

Instead of wasting your intellect upon people who are willingly intellectually challenged with their “god did it” mantras, non-believers should apply their intellect towards undermining what the believer is touting.

That’s right.. I’m saying that atheists using science and logic against the trivial aspects of the believers’ religion is like shooting fish in a barrel.

So instead of the non-believer trying to defend their position with science and logic, the non-believer should make the believer *defend* their application of *their* religion. If your position is so strong, why bother defending it if your opponent can’t grasp what you are saying?

ie. don’t try to explain how your science and logic are correct, try to explain how they have their religion wrong.

and I don’t mean “wrong” in the sense of how they believe in the lame crap like Noah’s ark and Adam and Eve and any of those other entirely unbelievably wrong stories; I mean in the regard that believers have missed the entire point of their religion.

So stop this “my position is better than your position” bullshit crap against each other – change tact – scrutinise the believer for *not* actually following what their precious religion says to do.

And in the case of christianity: Jesus taught that to get into heaven you need to give to the needy, in three gospels, so exactly who thinks they are going to get into heaven, when they have not done a single thing that would get them into heaven?

The fact that there is poverty in the world is irrefutable evidence that the Jesus from the bible does NOT exist. Either that or believers flatly refuse to “love thy neighbour” or are totally oblivious to what their precious Messiah actually and supposedly taught them.

Remember, “christian” means “christ-like” , well, it’s supposed to, so if you want to say you are christian, then I expect you to *be* christian, and being a christian means you give to the needy, and if there are needy people in this world, then that means that there are christians that aren’t doing what they need to be doing to get into heaven! So if there are needy people, then that means christians are not taking the whole give to the needy so they are not going to this heaven, even if it does exist.

Being a christian is impossible, if the non-believer is so inclined to argue about religion with the religidiculous, then hit them where it hurts the most, point out all the crap that people are doing but aren’t supposed to do, or worse still, point out all the good things they are *not* doing.

Have a look at how hard it is to be a christian:

* You can’t be judgemental. (Mat 7:1) * You have to sell all your stuff and give all that money to the needy (if you want to go to heaven that is). (Luke 18:22
Mark 10:21 Mat 19:21) * You can’t brag about being a believer. (Mat 6:5) * You can’t brag about being generous. (Mat 6:1) * you can’t commit idolatry or adultery. (ten commandments) * You can’t lie. * You can’t steal. * you can’t pray in public (Mat 6:6) * You can’t lust after your neighbour’s possessions or their partner. * You can’t know who the anti-christ is. * You don’t know when Jesus Christ will return and blah blah blah blah

Our entire society is judgemental – greed is rampant – “christians” insist on telling us they are christian all the fucking time – the point being is that it is a very long list of things that you can call-out the believer on, without even going anywhere near science and logic.

You will get your message across faster if you argue on their level. And it doesn’t hurt to speak to christians as if their stories are true.

Imagine arguing with your cat. You can speak to your blue in the face, but your cat can not possibly grasp any scientific notions and logical reasoning on a complex level, so why bother? If you want to argue with a cat, you need to speak its language. But since felinese is quite the difficult language to master, just meowing at your cat, even if you don’t know the meaning, will be sufficient communications with your cat, since it would probably ignore everything you had to say anyway.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF THIS TOWN….

well, so fucking what if he is? keep that religious shit to yourself.

let me say it again, the entire point of Jesus and his christianity (which was allegedly called “The Way” back in his time) was to teach people to be nice to each other, to teach them to be “good” people, right?

so how the fuck does Jesus being LORD make you a good person?

it does not and it *can* not make you a good person, because only *you* can make you a good person or not.

* Just saying “Praise Jesus” or some other neat little phrase doesn’t make you a good person. * Saying a prayer every night doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to preach the gospel doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to spread the word, does not make you a good person. * Telling people they are going to hell does not make you a good person, in fact that last one, well, it makes you fucktarded.

That is what Free Will is all about, the one thing we do get to control in life, is whether we are good or evil. You can choose to be a dick or not. You can choose do nothing or do something, and doing nothing, can quite often be the most evil thing to (not) do.

Only the good example you set via your actions can make you are a good person, and even then, it’s not you that gets to declare whether you are a good person or not, anyway.

Which leads to the point of why the religious should keep their religious views to themselves.

It is only other people that get to decide whether you are worthy of this label that you “christians” choose to bestow upon yourself. You don’t get to declare yourself to be like Jesus Christ by simply declaring that you are christian…

Call yourself a christian or a muslim or whatever other religious cult you feel like if you want to, but if you don’t live up to the good qualities that those belief systems supposedly project, then you are better off not mentioning that you are religious at all, and that includes not getting upset when your religious values are offended, especially when the central message of your religion is one of peace and tolerance, and how you supposedly forgive those that trespass against you, right?

So if you say to me that Jesus is LORD, I will consider your statement to be *bragging* that you believe in Jesus and bragging that you believe in Jesus is bragging that you are christian and bragging that you are christian is bragging that you are a good person and bragging that you are a good person, automatically makes me *doubt* your sincerity about being a good person because **nothing** you believe in makes you a good person, how can it?

Your actions define whether you are good or not, so saying that you follow some religion, doesn’t make you a good person, *ever*.

eg. Bragging that Jesus Christ is LORD doesn’t make you a good person any more than knowing that energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, makes you smart.

What does it even *mean* that Jesus Christ is LORD? *show* me how that makes you a good person!!!

This is the basis of why people should avoid committing idolatry, because what you say and what you do are TWO different things. eg. if you say you are a good person, that means nothing, but if you actually do good things, then that makes you a good person so if you go around saying that you are a good christian when clearly you are not – then that is idolatry because you are worshiping a false Jesus. (why this is idolatry is elaborated upon below at *** )

‘WESTERN’ RELIGION… IS NEARLY 100% IDOLATRY

Just saying that someone needs to believe in Jesus is idolatry, because just believing in Jesus, like I have said repeatedly here, doesn’t make you a good person, because being a good person is what Jesus wanted you to *do*, if we are to believe the point of the stories in the bible.

I know this will sound utterly ridiculous, but you have to *BE* a good person to actually *BE* a good person!! Just saying that you are christian, does not magically make you a good person, and you are fucking up-yourself if you think that it does.

You don’t see me going around acting like I am *better* than everyone else just because I “know” some arbitrary thing, now do you? ie. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, but you don’t see me bragging about it, seeing how it’s such an obvious “fact”, you know, like how your particular version of your god just happens to be a “fact” as well?

Because that is exactly what you are saying when you try to say that you believe in Jesus, you are saying to me that you are better than me because of one little arbitrary thing, and even if you genuinely don’t mean to say that you are better than me by professing that you believe in Christ, then that’s just too fucking bad, because that is how I hear your religious mumbo jumbo anyway.

Christianity has put itself up on a pedestal and somehow that makes you better than those who don’t believe.

This troubles me deeply.

Especially when all “christians” do is talk about how they are christian … that’s not being christian, that’s just *saying* you are christian, these are TWO different things.

And it should be especially noted here that it was the people insisting upon telling me to believe in Jesus, that were the fucktards who put me off believing in Jesus in the first place. I already believed in Jesus, but it was people taking one look at me and assuming that I didn’t believe in Jesus and telling me that I needed him, that broke the back of christianity for me. judge not lest thee be judged yourself much?

Practice what you preach or get the fuck out but at any rate I am glad they did, this way I wasn’t sucked into the whole “Jesus loves everyone” fucking bullshit that nobody *actually* follows – sure they say they follow Jesus … but when push comes to shove – they shove back when they are supposed to sit there and be non-violent.

RELIGION ITSELF IS A LIE and yet THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS? ….

The way I see religion, is that you are making it out to be such that *you* are making those bible stories out to be true, and further more, you are demanding that other people also believe that these untrue stories be considered as true as well, merely because *you* say they are true.

ahem. who the fuck are you? You are nobody – not one person on this earth can make me believe in anything – sure I might say something, to make you piss-the-fuck-off but I don’t have a problem with lying to people who are demanding that I believe in *their* lies!

That’s what the religious want when they try to convert or pass along their religion, they do not give a fuck about actually spreading the message of good will, they try to spread their religion so as to make it into an affirmation of their own faith. Which is kind of like talking to yourself in the mirror, telling yourself that you are pretty or that you are handsome.

This would be no different to me going around to people’s houses on a Saturday morning telling people that they should “Trust in The Force”. I don’t give a fuck if you believe in The Force or not, the only reason I would be telling people to believe in The Force, is to reinforce my own beliefs of believing in The Force. If I tell someone about The Force, and they accept The Force, then that’s a win for me as it props up my ego. If I tell someone about The Force and the tell me to fuck off, that *also* props up my belief in The Force because I’m so obsessed with it that anybody ragging on it, would just make me even more determined to spread the word about The Force.

Well, that’s how religious nuts come across to me. They aren’t following what Jesus taught, so clearly they only spread the word to reinforce their own beliefs. Kind of like those people that love to hear themselves talk. I’m a pretty-girl/handsome-boy – kind of like a parrot.

You may think that what you believe in is true, but this does not make it so. The bible is a story and therefore it is a *lie*, and while it may not be a lie in the sense that it was a lie told with malicious intent, but the point is that Star Wars is also a story and all stories are made up, no matter how good of a story it is.

So even if I believed Star Wars was actually real, nothing gives me the right to even begin to try and sell this story as if it were fact, because as soon as I try to make that story true, when it is not true, then that story then becomes a lie.

therefore: all religion is a lie because of the believers themselves who try to spread their religion.

Q) what do you do if you don’t want your little stories to be considered lies?

A) Don’t fucking try to sell them to me!

The logic is quite simple, and only someone who is willingly ignorant and willingly arrogant would continue to try and “spread the word” once they had been told to take it some place else.

So in the spirit of not putting forward anachronistic stories as “truth”, the religious should keep their religious views to themselves because there is bound to be somebody that doesn’t share those views, or rather, there are bound to be people who don’t share your point of view that might resent your proselytising about being a good christian while at the same time you’re also being a judgemental hypocritical prick of a bastard, not to mention that stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t – is a *lie* – and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments from that Moses guy, by the way.

The fact of the matter is that *most* people are decent enough at being human beings by default, so being religious makes no difference to being “good”, except that the non-believer doesn’t go around bragging that they believe in some intangible thing that somehow makes them “good” like the religious fucktards do incessantly.

The non-believer is more inclined to be a good person for the sake of being a good person, the non-believer is not compelled to think that doing good is going to see them rewarded with the gift of eternal life in heaven. Remember the Good Samaritan tale, where even the faithful person would not lend a hand to the injured man lying at the side of the road?

The point being is that unless you truly follow what your faith teaches, then it’s best that you not brag about being faithful. So in the case of christians, you’ve got a very difficult task ahead of yourself to actually be considered a christian, so if you are going to brag about being a christian, then I expect you to be very much Christ-like.

I personally don’t call myself christian, because:

*) I can’t refrain from judging people who demand that I accept them as being a good person, when they are clearly *not* good people
*) I don’t help out just any person in need, I am wary of people taking advantage of my generous nature
*) I don’t unconditionally love everyone, especially when people that have proven themselves untrustworthy
*) I’m only forgiving to a certain extent
*) I’m not selfless all the time
*) I don’t turn the other cheek once you have crossed the line
*) I don’t give someone my jacket as well when they demand my coat, especially if they are ungrateful
*) I refuse to love my enemies, if you are my enemy then that is for very good reason
*) I won’t let people hurt me nor let people hurt others and get away with it
*) I am not willing to die to avoid hurting others, especially if they are hurting me.

These qualities are all the opposite of what you would expect to find in Jesus, so I don’t even bother to try and live up to them, therefore: I do not pretend to be christian, because I expect christians to be like Jesus with his “love everyone” mantra.

It’s like bragging that you are smart, but then when somebody asks you a question and you don’t know the answer, you look like a dickhead and say “Oh I’m not smart in *that* field of discussion!!”

Same with bragging about being a christian, unless you are willing to die for me; willing to “love” me even if I try to kill you by nailing you to a cross; unless you forgive me for every heinous act I could possibly enact upon you, then you shouldn’t be bragging that you are a christian.

Not saying that I would do horrible things to you, but it is the principal of the concept. Being christian, means you are supposed to be Christ like. So unless you are willing to go through the same sort of crap as you might have seen in “The Passion” then you shouldn’t be bragging about how much you are like Christ by telling everyone that you are christian…

I think of christians in much the same way one would consider Padawan learners (a Jedi in training), if you are a Padawan, you don’t go around saying you are a Jedi yet and if you do, your Master will remind you that you are still a Padawan and that Jedi are humble. In the same regard, christians should not brag about being christian unless they are truly selfless and Christ-like, and if they were truly selfless and christ-like, then they would never mention that they are christian in the first place, at the very least, it should not be an unsolicited admission. ie. don’t talk about your religion unless you are asked to talk about it, because if you were christian, your christianity should show via your actions.

So if you are going to say that you are christian and tout your views, that’s fine, but one should expect to be challenged when these “christian” views are put forward, because stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t, is a *lie*, and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments, by the way. Yes I said that already.

believe in whatever you want, but if you believe in something that says “be nice” or “don’t lie”, then I expect you to follow those rules, if you can’t do that, then keep your religion to yourself, because it is rude to pretend that you are a good person.

IDOLATRY ….. AGAIN

Believers should be aware that using things to lend credence to their religion is idolatry.

A blatant example that might not be so blatant for those not looking for it could be briefly expressed by the following phrase:

“Just because your god made the universe, that doesn’t automatically make you a good person.”

Let me elaborate upon this:

god making the universe – as grandiose a task as it is to make everything that us mere mortals know about – is a pathetically boring and mundane task for a god. Which might explain our universe if the christian/hebrew/muslim god truly did make it in six days – god had like a gazillion years to make and plan our universe – but it would seem to be a rushed job …. I saw a comic about that recently at Two Leaf Clover …

The point being is that god making the universe is just some arbitrary fact about your god – and a fact is a thing, so if you believe in god because it did this random thing, in this case, making the universe, then you are using that *thing* to prop up your beliefs. You use this thing, this idea you have that god made the universe, to help you believe in god… and many people *do* believe in god in general terms (ie. not just christians) because for their minds their is no way the universe can exist without some higher power being involved at some point in the construction process.

and you know – good for you if you want to believe in that sort of stuff – but if that is *all* you do when you believe in the christian Jesus/god and you aren’t following what your precious messiah said to *do* to get into heaven – then why call yourself a christian or a good person?

What makes you a good person, is actually *being* a good person, and if you claim that following your religion makes you a good person, then you had better show us that you are, otherwise you are bound to be called out on your bullshit.

*** If you can’t show that you are a good person, and yet you claim to follow the Jesus from the bible, then you’ve made up your own Jesus. And clearly, if you have made up your own Jesus, no matter if this Jesus is mostly based on the one from the bible, then you are committing idolatry, because if you follow a Jesus that somehow lets you be a prick some of the time, then that is not the Jesus from the bible, so you are worshiping a false Jesus.. ie. a false god… thou shalt not worship false gods much?

I encountered a very hostile “christian” recently who was nothing but rude and condescending, who would hit-on every female in the discussion forum, and yet he maintained that he was a good christian, simply because he loved his wife.

To that fucktard I would say .. “No, you stupid prick, you do not believe in the Jesus from the bible, you have made up your own version of Jesus that sees you love this one person and yet allows you to be a prick to every one else – *clearly* that is a false Jesus as the JC from the bible said to love everyone, so you are worshiping a false god, and that breaks your precious first commandment”

I didn’t bother actually explaining this to him – as he was clearly far too stupid to understand. But many “christians” act like this. Some try to make up science based on their bible – but if you need real life confirmation of what’s in the bible, then I find your lack of faith … disturbing.

The easiest place to commit idolatry, is right there in your mind – where you can make up your own versions of Jesus that resemble the Christ from the bible, but are clearly not the Jesus from the bible, seeing how much of a prick you are to everyone who doesn’t worship the ground *you* walk on……

TO SUM MY RELIGIOUS REJECTION ALL UP

I first “rejected” religion in preference to reality when I was very young, it was something to do with dinosaurs, I’m sure, because I had read in the bible, or was told that the bible says that the world was thousands of years old – but then I read about dinosaurs – and dinosaurs weren’t just a few thousand more years older, so the age of the world as indicated by the bible isn’t just a little bit off, dinosaurs are ten thousand *times* older than the bible and its six thousand year “history” had described. In terms of percentages, the Earth’s age according to the bible, is only 0.01% of the time since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. That’s not just a little bit off. That’s a bit like thinking you can launch a rocket into space with a bottle of lighter fluid.

I remember saying to someone at a very young age when talking about dinosaurs “so, that means that the bible is wrong?” and the reply was “pretty much!” … I wonder who that was?

I also remember being in Sunday school once (maybe twice) and the Catholic Sister was telling the class some thing that I thought was utterly hilarious, but before I laughed out loud, I looked around to see who else was laughing… nobody was laughing, they were all paying attention to this bullshit that was being told. I don’t remember going to Sunday school that many times…

Later in life I tried to reconcile that whole bible thing and its six days as meaning six billion years – but I remember not being convinced that I needed to be convinced that religious gods were a fabrication by that stage.

science was just so much more interesting and fascinating than this grandiose god story that seemed to be so full of holes – like Noah’s ark – I remember reading about that in the bible – and that was the end of my bible reading because I went off on a tangent at that point and went looking for corroborating evidence about this “Ark” – I clearly remember watching a documentary “In Search Of… Noah’s Flood narrated by Leonard Nimoy” too, about the search for Noah’s ark … but that set me off on even more quests for knowledge!!!

So Noah and his Ark was just the first hole in the armor broken and I didn’t really bother with christianity/church much from there … but I did learn that “Jesus loves everyone” very early on, but that was pretty much it ….

So basically the only thing I learned was that Jesus loved everyone, so you can imagine just how ticked off that people calling themselves christian did not love everyone. In fact, I’m pretty sure at one stage that I considered christianity and the catholic church to be two different things.

At some stage in my teens I noted that there were multiple churches – and then I read that “my” Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England (Protestants) split up and that many people died in all of this split – so I figured that why would I follow something that the church itself can’t follow? I had also seen Monty Python’s Life of Brian by then so religion became cannon fodder early on as to how stupid it was. I clearly remember cursing people to hell for the most trivial of things for decades – of course I don’t mean it – so as a reflex action, I mock the concept of the often arbitrary definition of “sin” and how that supposedly results in an eternity in hell – my favourite is damn people to hell for interrupting my listening to ABBA.

Then I went through the whole I hate god thing – but god turned out to be my ego and then god died like an imaginary friend that you notice that you don’t believe in any more suddenly one day after fifteen years of not thinking about it! … And by that time my biggest dilemma with god was that I kept saying “god this” and “god that” – so I got around that by considering that every time I used the term “god” – I was referring to the universe. Which I later found out is “pantheism” (god is everything, everything is god) … which is very close to the Jedi and The Force, with its all encompassing energy field that surrounds us and binds the universe together. (our universe’s size is pretty much defined by how far energy radiating from it has traveled, an all encompassing field of energy defines our universe, and as it turns out, our universe is mostly energy)

So now I’m at the “yes religion is stupid, but so what?” stage …

So finally to summarise

When speaking to an overly religious person, who doesn’t really follow their religion in the first place (oxymoron==true), telling them some “thing” about their precious religion is irrelevant – they don’t give a crap about some mundane little part of the story – they don’t even care about the whole point of their religion!!

it’s like saying Star Wars isn’t cool, to a Star Wars “fan” that has never seen any of the movies

“I don’t care what you think about Star Wars, I still like it!” (but has never seen any of the movies)

“I don’t care what you think about Jesus, I still believe in Jesus!” (has not read the bible nor has done anything for the needy)

So belief in a christian god, is merely a crutch, to help you deal with the myriad of complexities in your life.

But that isn’t necessarily a bad thing because beliefs *can* be inspiring, but they can also be detrimental.

So if one is to believe in god, one should actually aspire to the (good) goals represented by this god, but if this god is your own personal god, then feel free to make it *all* up, but if you want to be christian, then there is already a whole bunch of stuff laid out that you need to do in order to call yourself christian …

while i may not believe in a “god”, I believe, or at least, I want to believe, that human science will result in our achieving some measure of immortality for everyone and that we will know a hell of a lot of stuff about the universe if we can stick around for another thousand years, probably enough to get us off this rock and spread across the galaxy – but none of these levels of greatness that humans may achieve will ever mean that god does not exist

how can human achievement ever out do god? if humans can defeat god somehow, then that is because humans didn’t set the bar high enough when they defined this “god” that is suddenly able to be replaced by humans.

while I may not believe that our “spirits” will ascend to some higher plain of existence, I do believe that it is possible that one day our consciousnesses will be transferable to some sort of computing device, giving us a virtual “ascension” into the “network” and as long as the network survives, you will be immortal … who knows, maybe this is how we’ll explore the galaxy, we upload a copy of ourselves to some sort of space probe and we would live our virtual lives roaming the galaxy, perhaps at first setting up communication relay stations here and there about the galaxy.

i also believe that one day, we’ll figure out quantum entanglement too, so those relay stations I just mentioned would be capable of instant communications across light years of space, so not only could you upload yourself to this space probe, you could interact instantaneously back with the “real” you, or in fact you could interact with other copies of yourself, seeing how your real body died tens of thousands of years beforehand.

so in that sense, my belief is also a crutch, because right now, everything that I believe in, is still somewhat based in fantasy. I would guess that most people have beliefs that are warm and fuzzy but not necessarily the complete truth as well.

But for me, without that belief system in place, existence would seem rather pointless, because if we’re just here to go around in fucking circles and “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it” like the religiotards would have us do, then we’re just going to end up killing ourselves whilst competing for resources and if that is the direction where we are most definitely going, then there really *is* no point in existing as your actions in the here and now really *would* be pointless without a hopeful future on the horizon.

Which incidentally, is what the online religidiots (rhymes with village-idiots) tell us anyway: “if we don’t believe in god then our existence is pointless.”

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mostly written…. 24th June 2011, mostly…. most of the blogs I have written of late end up blowing out to almost novel lengths, so I give in … you will have to suffer my long rants if you want to read as I can not be fucked trimming them down to page sized rants any more…

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did aliens send us religion to slow us down? (religiorant)   Leave a comment


if there really were an advanced alien civilisation out there in the galaxy, we probably wouldn’t know they were there – think about this:

1000 years ago, we sent messages via physical means, for instance, couriers, ships, horses, smoke signals, lights, carrier pigeon and about 200 years ago we had discovered the telegraph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_line
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_telegraph

and today we have planes, radio, telephones, satellites and the internet….

Point being is that we keep finding better and faster ways of communication, ideas that we totally would not have thought possible centuries before they were finally invented, so any advanced civilisation that is capable of building space ships is also likely to have an even more advanced form of communications than the basic radio signals that we send for long distance communications.

At our current level of technology, it’s likely we would not even be able to detect any advanced form of space-alien communications and even if we did, it’s likely that we are dismissing it as some sort of background “noise” from space because the signal is too faint to detect.

an example of an advanced form of communications an advanced alien civilisation could be something like “sub space” communications like in Star Trek where near instant communication is available over light years. If there were such a thing as sub-space communications right at this moment, we would have no idea that it was being used.

Imagine if one day we discovered sub-space communications and all of a sudden we are bombarded with 50 million simultaneous incoming message channels from thousands of alien worlds from all over the galaxy

So maybe these advanced aliens that have been around for a million years or so have been stopping by every now and then, maybe they stopped off once or twice a couple of millennium ago, and gave us a thing called “religion” by pretending to be gods, and maybe they actually had the best of intentions, and religion was given as a test, a test that we failed miserably.

Maybe these advanced aliens have been through galactic wars between different species before, and “The Galactic Council” has declared that all sentient species with the likelihood of developing space travel be given a test of their ability to “get along” with everyone?

Insert multiple religions all over the planet, to either teach us good moral behaviour, or have us turn on each other until we learn how to “get along” with each other.

Seriously, if not for the dark ages we may very well have become a space-faring planet by now where travel all over the solar system is a common place event. imagine if the (non-christian) Roman Empire didn’t fall?

Instead of us having the dark ages, the bloody Romans discover space travel by about the 1200s, colonise the solar system, move Venus into a ‘cooler’ orbit and turn it into a greenhouse planet to grow food for the solar system, and then we get our butts out to the galaxy at large by about 2000 and start finding other species to conquer or at least other habitable planets to ruin, imagine the Roman Empire, Mongolian, or some Islamic caliphate expanding for light years? *sigh*

so aliens, stopping by every so often, saw how disagreeable we were with our own species, as well as wiping out other species here on earth, and thought that it was a good idea to send us religion to teach us to behave, or slow us down.

maybe we’ve been so bad that it’s Galactic Law that we grow up slowly? and maybe there’s even a “no fly zone” of four light-years around our sun? So maybe it’s best that we get this angry streak out of our systems before we get out into outer-space and piss all over it as well?

mostly written 2011-Feb-05 … mostly …

Posted 16 October, 2011 by manabrau in aliens, Christianity, history, Islam, rant, Religion Sux Arse, sci-fi

why i don’t believe in (your) god … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

—INTRODUCTION—

god – is supposedly a being that is beyond all comprehension of the human mind, right?

everywhere and nowhere at once, infinitely intelligent, has lived and will live forever, right?

so if one is truly a believer, shouldn’t one just accept that their god is the frikking greatest almighty being of all time and space and beyond and that god made *everything* and just leave it at that?

meaning to say that if god made the universe, then so fucking what?! If that is true, then we don’t need to hear about every little detail of all the things that this god has supposedly done; we’ve all heard the stories at some point about how god made, well, *everything* and that kind of accounts for, you know, *every*fucking*thing* …

so when people start pointing out all the individual things that this god of theirs has done – i find it to be kind of pointless and somewhat conceited, in other words, you are “up yourself” if you insist on frequently showing off your god by telling everyone about how great your god is by telling us all about every little minuscule detail of all the things that your god has allegedly done.

so why bother insulting your god by even attempting to fathom one iota of what it is about by spouting your mouth off over the things it has supposedly done?

it’s like bragging about how your buddy made a web page, when this buddy of yours not only made the whole web site; he wrote the software that is running that web site; built the hardware that runs the web site with his bare hands; built, invented and installed every component of the internet such that you can view that web page… etc etc… and here you are, fucking bragging about some insignificant tiny web page, sheeesh.. think small much?..

and “yes!”, when it comes to god, creating a whole fucking universe is an insignificant thing to a god. It *is* god we are talking about, is it not? god can do any fucking thing, stop thinking so fucking small with your petty arguments that god made the universe, if I was a god, I would be embarrassed about having made only one fucking universe and even worse still is that I would be so fucking annoyed at my followers for assuming that one pissy little universe is my greatest claim to fame, what about all the other shit god has done? Oh what’s that? You aren’t privvy to all the other stuff that god has done? That is my fucking point, your ideas of what god has done are so insignificant that it is not worth mentioning, even one trillion-trillionth of what god knows far exceeds your knowledge of this supposedly infinitely endowed god creature of yours.

—MIDDLE BIT—

god is undefinable – by openly admitting to a belief in god, what you are really saying is, at least in some tiny part, that you *know* something of the *undefinable* god, with the implication being that *YOU* know god *better* than anybody that you are blabbering at with your well rehearsed list of all the godly god things that make your god so great.

How can you possibly know anything, whatsoever, about something that is undefinable?

god is god, that is the only nano-particle of information that you have about god and that is *all* you should require to be a believer.

One can only imagine that these believers that blabber on all the time are *showing*off* their god and this is doubly true when these conceited believers are conversing with an atheist, telling them how wonderful god is because of all the shit this god creature made.

but for all the wondrous things that god has done, god itself remains undefinable and yet believing in this undefinable god, as many outspoken “christians” would tell us, is mandatory for being a moral person?

How can you be a moral person when you don’t know squat about god and yet this stuff that you know nothing about, somehow surreptitiously makes you a morally good person?

How does that work?

and please don’t tell me the things that god wanted people to know about are in the bible, well, if that is true, then what has god got to do with it?

why are you not actually following what it says in the bible? Why do people conveniently ignore the fact that their precious messiah, said that to be a good moral person, you need to give to the needy.

If 10% of the richest people purporting to be christian actually gave significant amounts of their spare cash to the needy, there would be no such thing as a needy person. Especially when there are 2.2 billion christians currently and that christianity has been around for 2000 years… so when are you fucking “christians” going to get on with that helping the needy thing?

Don’t expect Jesus to come back until world poverty has been eliminated.

the belief in god is not required to be moral – how can believing in something, that is undefined, which the majority of believers don’t even actually fucking follow, make someone a moral person?

Believers can’t even agree on the morals taught in the their own religion! For instance, some christians are known to be hateful towards certain groups of people; eg. gays, atheists, etc.. yet Jesus teaches to love everyone, even your enemy; but clearly some christians find it too hard to obey this Jesus they allegedly get their morals from, apparently.

Basing your morality in something that is undefined means that you can and will make up any old shit to suit your moral tastes and whims, which is exactly the accusation that christians often level at non-believers, the only difference being is that christians slap a god label on their morals to give them credence, the non-believer does not need to slap on such a label to their moral choices in order to actually be moral, a non-believer does not need to be prodded or guilt tripped into being a good person, they are good persons of their *own* accord which is far more in-line with the teachings of that Jesus dude, so what the fuck is it with believers and their constant claims of how believing makes their morality better than everybody else’s?

For myself, I don’t believe in this Jesus most christians would purport to believe in, or rather I won’t believe in this Jesus because mere belief in some supernatural entity does NOT make me a good person, and to be frikking honest, I’ve not ever met a christian that was actually following the teachings of JC in the first place anyway, so why would I *also* pretend to follow Jesus like some false-christian lame-o wannabe? If JC is the actual god of this universe and is as powerful as these supposed believers say that he is, then isn’t pretending to be a believer going to piss god off far more than being a non-believer?

MAIN

god is *supposedly* the most fantastic and most spectacular and most intelligent being of all time and this god *supposedly* created the universe in however much time the believer reckons it took their god to do this ..

many people would agree with that notion of god …

but no …

they don’t …

not *really* …. they just *think* that they do ….

look at those believers who insist upon pointing out the little things that their god has done … not only is that idolatry, but it is also *pathetic* and a sign of a weak and fearful mind because that person needs constant reassurance that their god is *real* and this is achieved by pointing out all the things that god has done… ie. the more you tell yourself a lie, the more it becomes the truth to you.

for example: god made the cute smile of a baby; god made the fluffy bunny-rabbit-shaped clouds in the sky; god saved the little boy from the plane crash (so it’s a miracle, of course); god made the earth; god made the universe; god did this; god did that …..

it’s pathetic because if believers truly believed in an all-fantastic god, then what is the purpose of pointing out every little thing that this god has done?

beat a dead horse much? aren’t your arms getting tired from wanking yourself while you are getting off on the self-informed notion that you are a heaven-bound believer?

The frequency of rabid believers and their often spouted mantras of god’s creations leads one to wonder if the believer is trying to convince others that god made the universe or if they are indeed trying to convince *themselves*…

it’s like “we heard you the first gazillion times you flapped your mouth about god, give it a rest already!”

if god made the *entire* universe then it should then be a GIVEN FACT that god made the fluffy clouds and the laugh of a baby and all those other warm and fuzzy things – to harp over the little things that god has done, is *proof* that you don’t truly believe in the awesomeness of god creating *everything* that is in existence because if you truly believed in this god of yours, you would not even bother pointing out all those little things because you would be so comfortable, or more likely in *awe* with the knowledge that god made everything it would not occur to you that it was necessary to dwell over every little thing god has done.

Belief in god should be like breathing; it is something that you do, one should not need to go around telling everyone about it.

bragging about all the minuscule things that god has done is akin to stating how clever an adult is by bragging about something they first mastered when that adult was two years old. except, it’s infinitely worse.

—THE POINT—

see, that’s why i don’t believe in your god, because for any god that you could propose to me, there is no doubt in my mind that this god-notion of yours could be “out-godded” eventually by something *better* than your god.

So given this notion that mortal ideas of god can always be bettered, there is no point in putting any sort of boundary upon god, so if you want to believe in god, just *believe* in it, any prattling on about it, merely serves to remove its infinitely wondrous nature because you are putting your grubby little mortal limits on what this god of yours is all about.

So for all your pointing out of all the little things that god has done, you idiot, all you do is admit that you can not comprehend the vastness of god, which is probably why you believe in god in the first place, you can’t wrap your little brain around that which is infinite and that is nothing to be ashamed of because who can grasp the infinite nature of the universe?

At least non-believers don’t use something to cover up the fact that they don’t know the answers to the big questions in life, seriously, do you see non-believers walking around saying “god didn’t do that, god didn’t do this, nature made that, nature made this, i don’t know how this was made, nor do I know how that was made” .. these are things that I do NOT need to say! I don’t *need* an answer to every fucking question in existence!! I have no problem with not knowing *everything* and I do *not* need a temporary answer to fill in the gap while I wait for a better answer than “I don’t know!”

as a non-believer it is a given fact that things exist, I do not *need* to *know* the final and complete answer of how they came about but the pursuit of that knowledge is what I enjoy, it is what makes the universe an interesting place to be in.

If we did know everything about the universe how boring would it be?

(most) non-believers accept the universe “as is” and believers should do the same because whether your god made the universe or not is irrelevant in the here and now if you are actually following your precious Jesus and his two commandments …

mostly written 23rd August 2011, mostly, maybe I take things by their definition to the extreme too much, but regardless of this….

atheists are arrogant…. (atheiorant)   1 comment

ATHEIORANT
atheists are arrogant

mostly written 11th Feb, 2011…. mostly….

atheists are arrogant; they are, but no more or less arrogant than believers are..

and I don’t mean that atheists are arrogant in the sense that they have the gall to deny an individual’s god with some “clever” bit of logic, or even debunk one of those religious stories with some fact that would blow it out of the global flood waters, or even saying “mate, don’t be a dick-head, you know all those bible stories are bullshit, right?” but…

atheists are arrogant for even attempting to use their intellect against the religious, it’s just not fair!! *stomps*foot*and*pouts*

it’s arrogant to use your logic when god just isn’t logical in the first place, so don’t expect results using logic!

do you try to talk about philosophy with your cat, well?

it’s a fair bet that the non-believer is going to be cleverer than the believer, so the non-believer should not forget that they already have the advantage in any ‘game’ of facts and logic, so it just seems ridiculous for atheists to even attempt to shoot the fish in the barrel.

If you argued with a mentally challenged person and walked away from that argument feeling like you had won, that’s no victory. If you’re a 120kilo heavy-weight that beats the crap out of a 60kilo weakling, that’s no victory. If you know a martial art, and you use that on someone who couldn’t hurt you even if they tried, that’s not a victory, no matter how much they tried to hurt you.

On top of this, even if you did trounce every religious argument you’ve ever encountered with all these facts about just how wrong their bullshit is, (which isn’t really that much to boast about, when you think about it) it’s still not a defeat to the believer, it’s probably a *victory* to the religious person if they merely retain their faith.

Maintaining the status quo is just as good as a victory to the believer, you’ve tested their faith, they still have it, therefore *you* lose, doesn’t matter if you were actually right and actually did win the debate with your facts and figures, you will always lose from the believers’ point of view, you can’t beat their god/Jesus/Muhammad/whatever with your logic.

Why do you think these religious clowns keep going on about the same old fucking thing all the fucking time? that is soooooo fucking boring…. come on.. no space is not a fucking ocean, no the planets don’t slide around on invisible rails, no the fucking earth is not held in place by its magnetic field so it will not fucking fall into the chasm of space if it fails!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!! GROW UP!

you can only change someone’s mind beat someone’s god with patience, and from what I’ve seen on the internet, patience is a rare commodity, so don’t waste your patience on the beating of dead horses…

“every Jedi knows you can not save someone who does not want to be saved”
–[Jedi General Aayla Secura]

DEBUNKING THE RELIGIOUS AND THEIR STORIES IS SO EASY, A CHILD CAN DO IT

Debunking religious tales is *easy*, a child can do it, so it’s arrogant to try this logical, rational and Captain Sensible approach to debunking god and expect that it’s somehow going to change some overly religious person’s mind, especially in the short term.

Instant changes, on an emotional level, can’t be made without ‘hurt’, that’s why feelings of grief will often linger, right? You can’t just suddenly wish away the hurt, you’d be a droid if you could do that.

Likewise you just can’t wish away the ‘dumb’ that goes along with the religious point of view, as people don’t want to change what they ‘know’ to be true in any sort of a hurry, they aren’t droids any more than you are. The same thing happens with people who stay in less-than-ideal relationships, they just don’t want to give that security blanket away, even if it’s old, crusty, stinks to high heaven and treats them like crap.

Debunking religion does have the positive effect of pissing the religious off though, but it mainly serves the selfish purpose of propping up the fact that you are right, of course their frikking god is a load of bullshit.

So logic and facts are not going to be that useful, especially when it comes to the bible, seeing how most of the christians I’ve seen online clearly don’t even understand the bible themselves. It’s kind of silly to debunk the bible and expect that a believer is going to have a change of mind, especially when the believer doesn’t even care if their precious bible is full of shit in the first place! It’s kind of like expecting people to know their multiplication tables, when they don’t even know basic addition, if they don’t know basic addition, then there is little point bamboozling them with fancy schmancy multiplication.

So, Logic + Bible = #fail ??

Logic isn’t totally useless in your arguments, just don’t expect a return on your investment.

don’t get me wrong, if you try to argue with a child about something that they think to be true (perhaps because their Mum said it was so), eventually they are going to realise the truth if you keep the logic up at them…. the keyword there is *Eventually*, so this will *only* happen if you keep up with telling them your truth, but until they come around to your way of thinking, they will probably *hate* you for trying to tell them that thing their Mum said, that makes them feel warm and fuzzy about themselves, is stupid, or bullshit, or lies or whatever craptacular superlatives you can think up.

What do you think all the abuse flying around in the “religious war” on the internet is all about? You just have to say the word “Atheist” and religiotards go *spastic*, what’s the point in trying to waste your intellect on fucktards like that?

Using raw logic just pisses the dumbarse fucktarded believers off, and soon as you piss them off their brains start saying over and over …….

“LA LA LLAA LA LLA LA LA LA LAL LAL LA LA LA LA LAL ALA LAL LAL ALA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LLLA LA LA LA LA LA L A L A LA LA not listening to you LA LA LLA LA LA LLA LA LA LA LA LA LA LLA”

beliefs are based in emotions, you can not change how someone feels unless you make your argument from *their* emotional point of view.

LISTEN TO OBI-WAN YOU MUST!

“Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”–[Ben ‘Obi-Wan’ Kenobi]

Wise words indeed, and very relevant to what I’m babbling on about. If you can’t understand what the other person is putting themselves through with this rubbish they tell themselves, then you are going to have a very hard time trying to unravel their labyrinth of warm and fuzzy feelings by using your factual tales about how their religion is bullshit.

it’s *very* important that the other person’s point of view be taken into consideration, if you truly and compassionately believe that it is “for-the-best” that people give up their religion, then you need to speak to them on *their* emotional level, and *not* on your emotional level with your facts and figures and logic and your rationalistic points of view

You should use your clever logic to formulate a solution that deals with the emotional aspect of their belief.

so forget any of the logic you have, because unless you have forever to be patient with someone, you will get little-to-no results. You may make a dent in someone’s belief, but that dent will probably takes months or years to rust so bad that it can’t be ignored any more, that is of course, if the religious person’s emotional concerns stemming from their belief in god, doesn’t make them completely dismiss your logic summarily out of spite, seeing how their jealous and perfect and eternal god outranks you and such.

Think about your own perspective; only *you* can change how you feel, right? likewise, you can not change some other person in an instant by delivering them some ‘fact’ that they are supposed to take to heart, they have to want to change, and they have to want to change at their own pace.

You may deliver some fact that may just cause the cascade into breaking that person’s beliefs, but the hit and miss ratio of this tactic is severely balanced in the favour of the “miss” side.

If you’re an ex-believer, relate your own experiences.

save your fancy facts and logic for later on, once you’ve got them asking questions

THE AFFRONT

attacking the concept of god, is an affront to the believer’s very concept of eternal life, you’ve attacked their assertion that they have the ability to cheat death by believing in this loving god, you’ve attacked their emotional need for god by saying that everlasting life (that is somehow provided by this god creature of theirs) is in fact, a lie.

How would you feel if you suddenly found out that this tight-rope you were walking upon, didn’t actually have a safety net that would catch you if you should fall?

how do you react when someone says some lie about someone you are close to? that’s what you are doing to the believer when you attack that god thing of theirs. Realise this emotional dependency in your arguments, and *use* it to your advantage. Realise that you are attacking them and their ego.

That’s what you are really doing.. say “god doesn’t exist” and you are saying that the *ego* of this person doesn’t exist, no wonder they go ballistic when you deny their god.

put yourself into their position; how would you feel if someone you were close to was suddenly revealed to have killed every creature on earth? or that your parents didn’t actually exist?

that can’t be far removed from you’re asking the believer to do, even if god is only in their heads. remember the moment that you discovered that Santa Claus wasn’t real?

ex-believers may remember going into a mild (or perhaps even massive) panic at the moment they thought, “oh no! I really don’t get to live forever” … oh … snap….. ex-believers may also remember that ‘rush’ they got when they thought that Jesus walked with them at every moment that they were alive and how it gave them some sort of righteous self dignified feeling of just being there in the world, all because they are a believer in Jayzsus Cahrist…

believing in Jesus must be very much like being in love, without that whole having-to-worry-about-being-rejected thing, but in order for people to let their Jesus go, people need to grow and expand, at their own pace.

Realise they need to let go of their own *ego* – you *never* defeat somebody’s ego, and if you did, it could actually result in that religious fruit cake flipping out altogether.

*use* that to your advantage, address the underlying emotional concern of the religionist, and leave your conversations about “facts” for your dog, because at least your dog will appreciate the time and attention you give him, even if he doesn’t understand you in the slightest.

SO WHAT TO DO?

So to truly deal with the problem of religion, you need to look at it from the believers point of view, because even if their god is just imaginary, their imaginations are still very much real to them, and you know what it’s like to get caught up in a story, right?

imagine you are a person living inside a story all the time, imagine walking around believing in Lord of The Rings, or Star Wars or Harry Potter or Dungeons and Dragons as if it were “real”?

The sheer absurdity of the idea of believing in some other person’s anachronistic story from a few millennia ago is beyond even trying to address. It’s a *facepalm* situation that is so intense a joke that you honour it’s absurdity by even acknowledging it’s existence, because to even denounce such a joke as religion is to give it more credence than the joke deserves.

“their jokes, don’t make me laugh, they only make me feel like dying in an unguarded moment”
–[The Church]

because seriously, some people really *do* need to have guidelines about how to behave, so even if they do have it that wrong, it’s best to let them have their teddy bear joke, telling them that their teddy bear is wrong will not help much, instead, tell them that they are not following what their teddy bear wanted them to do, that they shame their teddy bear by not following Teddy’s teachings.

so instead of trying to tell them all the crap they believe in is wrong, you could always teach them how to get their religion right.

If people actually followed what Jesus taught, i wouldn’t have a problem with christians, even if they quarter-followed what was taught it’d be great… but that’s not going to happen because the fact is, it’s very hard to be Christ-like, so showing people that they aren’t even following their precious Jesus, is bound to help them reject Jesus of their own accord, at least, that’s my theory…

tell them why you don’t believe; I don’t believe in Jesus Christ because I haven’t see any “christian” actually acting christian, so i’m not going to pretend to be something that I’m not, especially when people call themselves christian when they are clearly not, why would I lump myself in with the greatest lie and joke of all time, why would I identify with a people that have the gall to call themselves “Christ-like”?

I can’t think of a bigger joke on this fucking earth. It’s a joke so big, it’s not even funny.

So, give up on your intellectual battle against the religious, it’s not working as well as you would hope, I bet you piss the not-so-smart christians off, especially with all that fancy explanations of fallacies and logic, they don’t even understand their bible, they’re not going to understand logic..

ie. people have an emotional attachment to money because it provides security, but this precious Jesus the christians allegedly follow, told his followers if they want to follow him, then they are to sell all their stuff and give the money to the needy… atheist should educate the believers, tell them to part with their precious money…

do you know many christians that have given away all their money?

“In truth, there was only one christian, and he died on the cross”
–[Nietzsche “Der Antichrist” (1888)]

how does an internet "filter" stop child porn from actually happening?   Leave a comment

we should be ashamed of internet filters and their attempts to block child pornography, but not because blocking the content is a technically stupid and infeasible idea; but because of one simple fact….

if you *know* a web address (such that you can put that IP or domain or full URL into an internet filter system) then you can make somebody or some company or even some country accountable for that web address..

if governments are serious about stopping child pornography from happening in the first place, why not stop it at the source? blocking the sites from the end user point of view is akin to sticking your head in the sand; just because somebody is blocked from downloading child porn, it doesn’t stop the children from being abused.

oh and the government has a list of websites with inappropriate content? is that a wise idea? i *hope* that that list does *not* go *viral*….

but ignoring for the moment the very real possibility that this list could end up being a child porn collectors’ dream and could end up triggering a world wide epidemic of kiddy porn traffic (imagine if a list of a million child porn sites was leaked? wasn’t the test list leaked already?), but besides that, what are we doing blocking those web sites?

if you know the addresses, you should be going after the companies that own the IP addresses and getting them to prosecute or disclose the names of the people that are publishing the material so that they can be prosecuted!!

if the company who owns a particular IP address or domain name space won’t reveal the owner of the web site when it can be clearly demonstrated that their IP addresses are hosting inappropriate content, then court orders can fix that, can they not?

if international boundaries are a problem, then involve the government of the hosting country, if said government won’t co-operate or their laws don’t adequately cater for prosecuting inappropriate internet content and/or exploitation of children etc, then cut diplomatic ties with that country or block every web site hosted in that country or with that company, or drop the routes completely.

what? that’s too much? ahem??? I’m sorry! I thought we were fucking *serious* about stopping child pornography, or is that just a lie to put internet filters into place?

Seems to me to be absolutely fucking stupid to be blocking the web sites themselves when the authorities should be going after the people that run the web sites.

as it stands, even if proposed internet filters *did* work and it *did* block 100% of every bit of child porn on the net in some magical way, it still doesn’t mean children have been made safe – those children will still be exploited, regardless of whether their is an audience or not.

international relations on this matter need to improve if it is quicker to add bad sites to a filter list than it is to get those sites shut down once and for all.

Why go to that much effort to prevent child pornography from being *seen* (when those mechanisms can be easily bypassed anyway) when those resources could go to stopping the people *creating* and hosting it in the first place?

oh, and if the people actually doing it are caught, you might actually discover the other thousands of web sites they operate or visit that you did not have on your filter, and you might find all the other mechanisms other than via the web that they used to spread their “material” .. ie. blocking individual sites is like the mythical Hydra, you cut one off head and another grows back.

oh and you might just get a list of *other* people they are sharing “material” with if you catch the perpetrators … ??

And the bottom line is that the people making the “porn” are the people doing the abusing, they don’t need to market their “material” to anybody…

so again, how does a “filter” stop child exploitation from actually happening?

it doesn’t but it is a very convenient way for politicians to pretend that they have done something by stopping others from seeing it.

well done, fucktards…

mostly written, 2010-07-23 22:19, mostly ….

Posted 23 July, 2010 by manabrau in politics, rant

we are not learning from history … (historant)   Leave a comment

HISTORANT

we are not learning from history …

i’ve heard it often said that “the victor writes history in their favour” or something like that …

yet it seems that we are too arrogant to think that the history we know is wrong

often history is written with the facts of events presented accurately – but people are too stupid to ask what happened because of these events…

“oh look Helen, look what the bad guys did back in the bad old days”.. that’s how history is presented, it’s presented as a shiny object, all the dull rusty sharp edges are smoothed over..

people need to ask *why* did these things happen in the first place …

have you ever seen two kids fighting and the big kid has stomped the little kid, and because the little kid gets a broken bloody nose, ie. the little kid was hurt the worst, so nobody stops to ask what the little kid did.. they just think the big kid was being a meanie, coz the big kid, has been known to be a meanie in the past…

now the big kid maintains that his attack was perfectly justified, but no-one wants to hear why any more, because the little kid has cried so much and was so hurt and so mutilated and so humiliated, that *everyone* instantly picks on the big kid, and ridicules him and makes jokes and mocks him but …

still …

nobody asked the big kid why he broke the little kid’s nose by giving him a good punch, and eventually the tale of the little kid being punched by the big kid becomes so large, that no gives a rats arse about why the big kid did what he did, it would ruin the story.

why ruin the truth, with those pesky other points of view

but eventually some people do ask, well kind of, they have to read the history books about the event, because it’s too late now, as the big kid has long since died, and these curious people ask the question…

“Why did the big kid hit the little kid?”

and it turns out that somebody did have a different take on the “history” of that event, as it is rumoured that the little kid had taken the big kid’s money, in fact, the little kid, had taken the big kid’s entire family’s fortune, they were broke.

But often when you ask why and what happened, the little kids start asking you why you are being pro-big kid?…. they even have laws put in place, to protect the little kids from the big kids.

I’m not saying that the big kid did the right thing, far from it, but nobody saw what the little kid did, so a useful perspective on the events is often reduced to rumours, so all we see, is the seemingly over the top display of big kid retaliation.

But in my experience, the measure of the retaliation is usually in some sort of proportion to the initial event that caused the apparently over the top reaction.

just say, all the little kids had been taking money from the big kids for decades, and the big kids have just stood back and let the little kids look after the money they took. But each blow has a wearing down effect on the big kids and eventually, the big kids were scrambling to eat, to clothe and house their families…

in fact the whole big kid country is now in economic down turn, because the little kids have all the money

then one day…

a little kid, tries to take the big kids money again, and the big kid says NO! THAT’S ENOUGH….

and then the little kids get upset, but they have so much money now, that they can screw over the big kids, by getting all the little kids all over the world to pick on the big kids, in fact they are so rich now, they can hire other big kids to pick on the initial big kids, on their behalf.

President Barack Obama launched an extraordinary attack on the Supreme Court on Saturday, saying a ruling on corporate donations to political campaigns this week “strikes at democracy itself.”

Obama’s broadside was triggered by a 5-4 ruling by the court’s justices on Thursday that removed long-standing campaign finance limits and allowed corporations to spend freely in campaigns for president and Congress. In the ruling, the court’s conservative majority said the limits had violated corporations’ constitutional right to free speech.—
Obama says court ruling a blow to democracy

I have a very bad feeling about this…

Olbermann: U.S. government for sale

and people in my country want to emulate the USA political system… long live the Queen I say….


Posted 23 January, 2010 by manabrau in history, idiots, M.S., rant, usa

extreme believer arrogance – miracles/prophecies … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

RELIGIORANT

extreme believer arrogance – miracles/prophecies…

this is an extension of a previous blog about “just how dumb are believers?” …

PROPHECIES? .. WHERE?

I *laugh* at every prophecy … well, i roll my eyes at least

seriously, what prophecies have come true? I’m thinking they are all, lies? affirmations? mantras? hoaxes? ahem … perhaps, BULLSHIT, is the right term?

why do ppl even need these predicted events? if they look forward to some prophecy fulfilment, are they not demonstrating that they lack faith by needing these “events” to provide some sort of validation to their faith?

and what if it *does* come true? will they then say, “told you so!” in selfish arrogance?

if Jesus returned tomorrow after 2000yrs of his followers saying that he’ll be back “soon” – it better be fucking good, I expect at least Metallica or Foo Fighters as a support act, or Boston or Toto.. TOOL would be a good support act for Jesus. Nirvana should not be too much of a tall order for Jesus to get as a support act either. hey? alright! do it!

every single prophecy I heard of that has “come true”, has merely been true because the person telling the story wanted it to be true with their vague interpretations of events.

if a prophecy was actually true, would we not learn about it in school?

“…and in history class today kids, we’re going to learn about Jesus, who rose from the dead, and saved the world from nasty sinners so that we may be here today.”

and even if by some stretch of the imagination, you can say that maybe there is some similarity between a prophecy and real events…. well…. so what? what’s the big deal?

what prophecy that’s supposedly come true has been of any consequence anyway? .. oh i hear you, standing up the back, shouting, “Jesus came true!!!” .. sit down and shut up, because by your own faith’s reckoning, Jesus became some super god dude and all that jazz, of his *own* accord!

Did we need a prophecy to make Jesus come about did we?

and what difference does any prophecy coming true have to do with anything anyway? does it makes some difference to having faith or not?

Jesus’ return has been on the cards for nearly 2000 years, listening to christians going on about the return of their lord is akin to listening to someone brag that they are going to win the lotto, every week, but then after fifty years of bragging, the guy finally wins, and then becomes *insufferable* with the bragging of saying “told you so”, all the while forgetting that he spent twice as much money than he won.

MIRACLE SCHMIRACLE

miracles? I say miracle schmiracle, what’s that you say, one person inexplicably had their cancer totally disappear? one person? that’s it?!

fuck the religious and their grasping for every shred of justification for their embarrassing fantasies…

can we aim a little higher people? perhaps, just a little bit? we can do baby steps if need be…. hmmm? *sigh*

a *Real* miracle, would be finding a cure for AIDS, or developing crops that could grow in spite of harsh conditions, and then distributing that to the entire world without care for making a profit out of it, as well as providing military support to dissuade looters and piracy of these foods and medicines…

Miracles are quick fixes of hope, the religious equivalent of a hit from the bong, a line or line of coke, they fade soon enough, then you’re back to how you were before.. looking for the next miracle fix just so you can feel all warm and fuzzy about hearing some ratification of this “faith” you claim to have…

ppl keep saying christ is going to return.. have you heard that story? I have, heaps of times, but it seems to remind me of that other story…. have you heard that other story, the boy who cried wolf?..

PROPHECIES AGAIN

.. but i’m sick of hearing about prophecies, oh yeah the rapture is going to strike in five minutes like a thief in the night, dude you said that like five minutes ago, and u said it yesterday, and last week, and it was actually the first thing u said to me when we “met” – so uhmm – howz about shutting the fuck up for a bit hey?

this is another display of extreme arrogance, god returns to rapture *everyone* up and take them to heaven, well, who says *you* are a part of this “everyone” that is going to be raptured up to heaven, anyway? hmmm? Is this not an extreme self adulation to tell yourself that, out of the entire universe, that *YOU* are special, that *YOU* have somehow arbitrarily chosen the god that made the universe, even though there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of gods that “made the universe” ????

and what are these people saying and admitting to anyway? would they not rather the world continue on as it is? or would they be happy to see the world destroyed and have everyone wiped out except for the twenty or so ppl who are saved??

anyone who *wants* the rapture to happen can go fuck themselves – it’s pretty simple to understand, and it can’t be dumbed down much more, if you want the genocide of the human race to happen, you’re an arsehole.

the genocide of the human race, is not something to look forward to you stupid pricks!!! fucking hell!! The Hitlers and the Stalins and the Maos killed millions of people – your Jesus wants to KILL BILLIONS.

Hitler and Stalin and Mao all combined added together, cannot even hold a candle to this Jesus you keep going on about.

and why do people who say they look forward to the rapture get upset when you tell them to shut the fuck up?!?!? their reaction is like you told them to get fucked when all they said was that they were going for a walk down the street to get a loaf of bread.

I can’t believe born-again-rapture-me-up-christians are so nonchalant with their verbal diarrhoea of the slaughtering of mankind in some final battle between good and evil.

a battle which, mind you, only took place since we’ve been around, you know those fuckers, god and satan, could have done this whole final battle of few thousand billion years ago, but no, they decided to bicker after *we* arrived…

that’s a bit sus don’t cha think? just a bit of co-incidence, hey??

the final battle for all good and evil – which could have raged at any time in the last trillion to the power of a trillion years, just happened to start, right about the same time we began to tell stories! what’s the chances of that?

DANG! what a co-incidence??!

you know if the bible is true, by some twisted version of the word “true”, then this battle between good and evil, came about because of *us* – somehow us being here made things go bad, right? So if everything was hunky dory before we got here, and if there was no evil before us. can we assume that without the “black” of evil there isn’t the “white” of good either, as everything would be a shade of grey with neither good nor bad around? that sounds very Buddha-ish …. Buddhism also just happens to be the only religion I can think of that doesn’t have a god, another co inky dink.

so if *we* are the cause of all good and evil, it’s just tiny baby steps to the conclusion that *we* made up the whole religion / god thing, isn’t it?