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note: i don’t mean to make these blogs so long, and some of them start as just one line, but every time I proof read, well, i keep adding stuff

some people feel the need to “know” how it all started

“it” being the meaning of life, the universe and everything.. so, if u must know where the universe came from, make something up, that’s what every one *else* has done, no one knows for sure, so jump on the band wagon and join in, and be *creative* ..

but ya know, the question is just so much fun, at this point, does it even matter if god put us here or not?

if we did *somehow* find out that god put us here, the next question would be *why*?? …. the point being is, at what point do we stop this line of thought that serves no fucking purpose in the first place?

we are here, apparently, it may not be much, but we are here, so what does it matter if there is a ‘who’ behind it all?

the *hard* bit about the concept of there actually being a cosmos is already out of the way, pinch yourself if you don’t think the cosmos exists!

but if you still want to “know” how we got here, then saying “god did it” is not knowledge, it’s an assumption, it’s a theory, it is a stab in the dark, but unlike scientific assumptions, theories and stabs in the dark, “god did it” has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever, and it serves no function to assume that “god did it” in the first place at all!!

because what’s the point in just *leaving* it as “god did it”!

how does that help us move forward in the life, the universe, and the everything?

this god supposedly gave us a brain, why would we expect that we aren’t supposed to use it? did god expect us to *only* sit around all day eat drink and be merry? what was the point in giving us a body if this is just a precursor to the afterlife?

If the afterlife was so important, it wouldn’t be called the “afterlife” – AFTER – LIFE – got it? means life is OVER – do we really think our thoughts and memories are going to go with us when we die?

your thoughts and memories are being stored in your physical brain, that is left behind when u die, people… that body isn’t going with you after you die

you offend your own intellect by being so lazy so as to not actually think about god and the afterlife and make at least some *reasonable* assumptions, even saying “I don’t know” is a more intelligent thing to say than “god did it”, if you are a goddiditter, then you make one big *unreasonable* assumption.

If you don’t know an answer to something, then say I DON’T KNOW…

If some one asks you something and you say “I don’t know” you are being honest, if you make something up based on your feelings and opinions, it’s very likely that you are telling a lie, although you wouldn’t think that because a lie is often not a lie from the liar’s point of view.

in fact, “I don’t know” is the best thing to think about god, because assuming “knowledge” of something pertaining to god is probably an offence to your god, that’s probably because making assumptions about god means that you create your own version of god in your mind. So this god in your brain, ends up being what you’ve previously heard about god, plus this “god did it” assumption you just made or more than likely, you are repeating someone else’s “god did it” assumption

a “real life” example: if you assume something about someone, then your thoughts about that person are potentially different to the actual person, at least until you find out first hand yourself if your assumption about that someone was indeed correct

but you are bound to be wrong, especially if you had never met that person, nor heard their acoustically registrable voice speak, or had even seen a picture of them, and the only vague likeness of them, a painting, that was from four hundred years ago.

So your idea of that person would not be the same as that actual person when you finally found out the truth about them, would it?

therefore, the person you imagine in your mind, was not the actual person, it was a shoddy copy of that person you had made up with your assumptions.

Your idea was basically correct about that person, kind of, sort of, looked a bit like, but this copy of this person in your mind was *wrong*, and it is made *wrong* by even the tiniest little assumption you make about that person. Although, it’s more likely that you weren’t that creative, and you’ve just believed the gossip somebody has just told you about that person

And yes, the subtle point if you didn’t get it, is that the bible, the qu’ran, the torah, etc, well, it’s ALL gossip about god

all of which is pointless from an intellectual point of view – and being able to use your brain’s intellect is how you get a job is it not? using your brain is how you make a living, isn’t it?..

you would give yourself a head start in life by not assuming that god did anything at all, or if you must believe in god, just go with the god made *Everything* and let it rest at that, so when science comes along and explains something, it won’t be stepping on your faith.

and to be honest, if you are worried that humans are going to become cleverer than god, then that is your *problem* and you are making it ours as well.. and you know what that problem is? it’s that this god you created in your brain, was *limited* by your *own* creativity, because you went and assumed this thing about god in the first place or you never thought about it at all!

go look at employment statistics if you think “god did it” is useful – how many people got a job because “god did it” lent some credence to an occupation?? oh priests? really? one person in a hundred thousand would be a priest, great job opportunities and career paths there (*sarchasm* [sic])

if you don’t use your brain’s ability to think for itself when you’re a kid, it’ll stagnate, if you don’t use it when you are an adult, it’ll STAGNATE, and then you can be one of the worker types, the ones who just move through life like cattle, just going through the motions in life for the sake of life, you’ll be one of those types that are having their jobs replaced by computers, the “goddiditters” are deliberately being one of those types who will become a *burden* on society if they haven’t already, because they are *unskilled*

there is nothing more draining on an economy that spends money on people with no return on that investment, and to be one of those people deliberately, then you are using your religious beliefs to justify being a SLACKER.

So we have these goddiditter slacker people, who have the audacity to insist that non-believers explain where the universe came from, and yet, rather than *think* about it themselves, they just repeat what somebody else has assumed, that’s being a sheep, that’s being intellectually lazy cattle…

can you say MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ?

The same people then scoff at any notion a non-believer presents, with that notion usually being something like “oh it had to be more complicated than just ‘god did it’!!!”!! ..

Is the believer out right admitting that they haven’t even thought about how “god did it” either? or maybe they have thought about it and refuse to acknowledge how ludicrously stupid their belief is?

“la la la la la la I am not listening to you Jeffrey la la la la la” –[Eddie Murphy – “Beverly Hills Cop”]

The dead-set believer will also scoff at the notion that the universe was always here or just appeared out of the nothing at some point, yet they would have us believe the even more unlikely notion that god was always here and made the universe just appear out of the nothing at some point.

Hypocrite much?

Point is, if you are just going to say “god did it”, don’t fucking bother even saying it out loud, as you are helping to retard the intellectual development of the entire planet with your intellectually lazy “god did it” mantras…

“god did it” is not using your mind, what was that quote? “a mind is a terrible thing to waste”, i wonder if that person was talking about religion and i wonder how many children never grew up to be scientists because they were told early on in life that “god did it”, implying to them to not bother to think about the universe. ( actually that quote was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund#The_UNCF_motto )

so rather than wondering about something intellectually, thus building all those tiny neural pathways adapted to rational and critical thinking, instead, a highway of one-way thinking gets constructed where all roads lead to the “god did it” wasteland of unused brain matter

And seriously, if god made the universe 6000yrs ago, then who is to say that god didn’t just make the universe at the very moment you finish reading this sentence?

what do you think about that?

If god was so brilliant, all those memories we have of all those events in our lives, could have all been created in our memories, like a computer program already in motion and we are just all the characters that have been created for the game, some of us in cars, watching tv, hunting fish, collecting fresh water, whatever, it already has a vast history “database” and by exploring it we add to the history “database”… have you played massively multiplayer games? World of Warcraft perhaps? have we not considered that if “god did it” then god is just some programmer who made the universe, and set it running by clicking an icon?

if god is so brilliant, that task is not beyond god’s powers, and some of the religious have *already* accepted as *fact* that this is exactly what god has done ALREADY, in that god has made the universe “as is”!… eg. fossil and geologic records clearly indicate the world is older than 6000yrs (oh the devil put those fossils there to tempt us) and light from things further than 6000 light years away would be appearing in the sky all the time. for instance: Eta Carina is 7500light years away, so if the universe was made 6000 years ago, the light from Eta Carina still wouldn’t have reached us yet and would not reach us for about another 1500 years..

so not only did god have to make the universe 6000yrs ago, it also had to create, or trick us into thinking that somehow all the events that appear to have happened *before* that, did actually happen, eg. the Andromeda galaxy is about 2.5million light years away, god would have to create the light shining from that galaxy for such that it looked like it came from the Andromeda galaxy for 2.494 million light years of space…

in other words, if the universe is 6000 years old, then we are seeing light from distant objects, that *never* actually came *from* those objects, the light we see, was created “in transit”, it would mean that god created the universe such as to trick or fool us into thinking the universe was much older than 6000 years ..

so if god *did* make the universe 6000 years ago, then god is lying to us, because every time we look into the night sky, we see LIES, FABRICATIONS, MISINFORMATION … and seeing how complex and massive the universe is, then god went to an awful lot of trouble to tell us one very very VERY massively big lie.

So if go around telling people that god *did* do it, then you are asking people to believe in magic, either that or we are just some computer simulation that has been switched on at some arbitrary point

this is what you are asking people who like to think about stuff rationally when you say “god did it”. you are asking us to believe YOUR lies that you quite happily tell to yourself.

So, according to the goddiditters, we are here because of magic, or we are some living simulation brought into existence because somebody decided to click on the “RUN” icon, that’s what “god did it” means

and people find the concept of god *not* existing to be offensive?? clearly those people have not thought about what they are saying

So if you *really* want to know where the universe came from, why don’t you actually think about it and come up with some ideas yourself, and maybe if we all put our ideas together, we’ll get “there” a *whole* *lot* sooner

and the sooner we get “there”, the sooner those with their “god did it” mantras can feel safe as it becomes more and more apparent that no matter how much we know, we are NOT going to get “there”, and that this supposed all powerful god of theirs is *still* more powerful than humans, but maybe by then their little egos won’t get over inflated by thinking they have a direct connection to the creator of the universe who will look out for them when they die such that their little souls won’t get lost and roam about the universe aimlessly forever…

*face*palms*

it’s astounding (time is fleeting) that people get worried when science starts to step into those places that were previously identified as a “god did it” realm, madness, takes control.

and ya know, just because something is explained, it does *not* discount that god did *not* do it anyway!!! how fickle one’s beliefs have to be that someone can rattle them by explaining some science thing?

UNIVERSE IN A NUTSHELL

so in the spirit of making shit up based on reasonable assumptions…

i propose this, and no it’s not science, in fact I would be reluctant to even call it weird science, but i’ve not heard any explanation for any of this whole universe origin thing and, like the point of the blog, “god did it” is just not an option, it’s LAZY, even “I don’t know” is a more credible answer than “god did it”..

“I don’t know” implies that you have at least accepted the enormity of the universe, but it just doesn’t bother you or that you’ll get back to the question when time permits you because it’s just not that important to actually living a life!

The point of the exercise is to think about it, without plugging in some far fetched stab in the dark, at least have a stab in the dark by attempting to put some light on what you are stabbing at!!

so here we go…

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

the empty vastness of space goes forever, forget our small universe, it’s just one small bit of the cosmos, what i’m talking about, is what is beyond that and beyond that and well, you get the idea.

outer space, has a “negative” force to it, a “sucking effect”, it tries to take objects and spread them apart, this is not a problem for solid rock-like matter, but for gases and other low density matter that doesn’t have a central point of gravity to hold it together, outer space will tend to make those gases or liquids spread out.

This is demonstrated by our need to have space craft with sturdy hulls as outer space tries to suck the air out of the craft and into outer space where the gases would spread themselves out.

In fact, the “dark energy” that is apparently expanding our universe at an ever faster rate, may very well just be that negative force of empty space trying to spread everything apart. if you think of galaxies as if they were individual molecules of air it may help you to visualise it, because after all, if the universe is infinite in size, then a galaxy would be little more than an atom in size, probably less actually.

So the simplest explanation I can imagine as to where the matter came from and why anti-matter didn’t wipe it out: there was “rip” in empty space itself caused by that negative sucking effect of trillions of empty light years of space against a trillion light years of empty space and that rip created a great ribbon of energy which created a whole lot of matter and anti-matter, most of which annihilated itself against each other, but perhaps an unequal ratio of matter and anti-matter (favouring matter) got sucked into the rip in the space before all the anti and regular matter had a chance to pair up and cancel itself out against each other.

of course there are questions here: if the entire cosmos is infinite in size, why hasn’t this “rip” been and gone and been done with already? perhaps because it’s happening all over the cosmos, it didn’t just make our universe, it made, makes, and is making, universes all the time, every day a universe the size of our own could be born and one could die off and they could be so far away that the light *never* reaches us, having been red shifted into oblivion.

and when one universe burns out the matter made by it will drift around for ever … dead … cold … until it makes it’s way into the next universe as debris or maybe it will get sucked up into a black hole, and who knows, maybe black holes can get too big and end up exploding too…

and maybe that was what the “rip” in space was in the first place, gravity got so strong, space not only collapsed into a black hole, but there was so much gravity, it ripped apart space… maybe there is a point where gravity becomes so strong that gravity itself can’t escape, and booooom….. big rip, big bang. big crunch, big … whatever

and why doesn’t this ripping keep happening in our bit of the universe? gravity stops space itself ripping apart, so when there is a significant amount of mass in a particular bit of space, it stops space itself from ripping apart, that matter keeps space “together”

the point is to *think*, and not be lazy with that brain and to have fun, my guess above is far more intellectually based than “god did it”, and who knows, that wild idea above could very much be wrong, but it could inspire a line of thinking that leads to an actual shred of truth, which is far more useful than “god did it”..

UPDATED: just how dumb are believers? … (religion v science)   Leave a comment

RELIGION v SCIENCE

just how dumb are believers?

additions marked –EDIT–

Why is everyone so fucking stupid? Why aren’t more peopre interrigent, rike me?–[Kim Jong Il – “Team America”]

i gotta say people, this is just so fucking stupid i thought i’d share it with you — this is why i love and hate talking to creationists

keep this in mind – if you don’t know something – FUCKING ASK – not asking questions means you are stupid, arrogant, selfish, too proud, too afraid, or some combination of them all.

there is nothing more pathetic in this world than someone who doesn’t ask questions, except maybe for people who don’t answer questions when asked or people who ask the same questions over and over again. (and yes, that makes us men who don’t ask questions, stupid, but we knew this)

scientists must communicate their knowledge with the world – because if they don’t share their knowledge – then that knowledge may as well not exist, because when they die, so does that knowledge, it’s not like your brain can be downloaded after you die, at least not *yet*, so if u don’t share your knowledge, then what’s the point in being a scientist? oh and religious bullshit doesn’t count as “knowledge”, so don’t feel obligated to share your “knowledge” about your religions of “peace”… what did Bill Hicks say?

“Beliefs are neat. Cherish them, but don’t share them like they’re the truth.”
–[Bill Hicks]

anyway… i won’t say who this is – what fun would that be? but I will mention that you may need to hold your brain in for this one….

Because of the spinning of the earth, the magma deep inside the earth is continuously condensing into the mantel just under the crust. The mantel cools down with pressure and becomes more solid than the magma under it which is more liquidized. This mantel becomes like the air tank being filled with too much air. It creates leaks once in a while because the pressure is enormous and that’s why we have volcanic eruptions to let off some of the pressure, but one day, it won’t be enough for just a few volcanic eruptions. There will be explosions that generate much bigger cracks for the magma to escape. The hardened mantel will become more liquid as the pressure begins to decrease so it will be much easier for it to come pouring out of the cracks in the crust and this will widen the cracks and melt the crust as it goes through. This process will take a long time but in the end, all the crust will be melted until all the pressure of the mantel is released and back to normal. Then a new crust will be made as the earth begins to cool down. This new earth is what the prophets and saints prophesied about but they didn’t have all the details that I have. Being as we’re much closer to the end, God gives his last saints the understanding of what is going to happen so they can warn the people around them.

Your just one of the few who will ever hear this prophecy.

January 3, 2010 – Sunday – 8:45 PM

*facepalms*

with the FIRST sentence, the entire premise is destroyed..

“Because of the spinning of the earth, the magma deep inside the earth is continuously condensing into the mantel just under the crust”

This great prophet (PBUH), is stating that the centrifugal force of the spinning of the earth, is pushing the magma up against the bottom of the crust of the earth, much like when you have, say, a litre or so of water in the bottom of a ten litre bucket, so if you were to spin and hold your arms out as you hold the bucket, the bucket would point outwards as you spun and eventually you’ll spin fast enough such that the bucket would end up pointing directly away from you and you would see that the water at the bottom of the bucket is being held in place by the g-forces created by your spinning …

fair enough… we do know that the force pushing upwards via centrifugal force, however small, actually does exist…

however…

you are able to spin a lot faster and create more centrifugal g-forces in comparison to the gravity you naturally produce. ie. the gravitational field that you create just by standing there is practically non-existent, you have so little gravity yourself, that water isn’t even attracted to you when you are at rest. Try it, pour a bucket of water over your head and see how much of that water stays in orbit around you.

now the earth on the other hand, with all that mass that actually caused the water to fall on your head instead of floating about in bubbles through the sky, produces far less centrifugal force in comparison to the gravity it produces.

The proof is, hold that bucket of water above your head, point it down with the open end pointing at you and hold it there with one hand. Did the bucket stay above your head like it did when you were spinning around?

You can even do this experiment without the bucket, i recommend you go outside for this one.

Now, just stand around for a minute.

Did you take careful note of the empirical evidence concerning how you were NOT FLUNG into outer space?

There’s your proof.

Centrifugal force, even though it exists, is easily drowned out by the gravitational field of a planet, and considering that the Earth’s crust is a relatively thin compared to the radius of the Earth, the gravity levels in the mantle regions, would be barely different as most of the mass of the Earth is in the iron core anyway…

Of course, I won’t mention that if the earth was ACTUALLY spinning this fast when it was being formed, well, it never would have formed in the first place, as the accretion disk from which the earth was formed, would have torn it’s self apart every time it tried to form. Think of one of those mini carousel things you can get for the dinner table so you can put on salt/pepper/sauce so anyone at the table can rotate them around to the thing they want. If you rotate these carousels slowly, everything stays on board, but if you give them a big spin, every thing goes flying off the carousel, because the mass of the carousel is not enough to keep the items in place. Or a roulette wheel, how the ball rolls around the outside of the wheel until it slows down enough for the earth’s gravity to plonk the ball into a slot…

need I say more about the first sentence??

now with the SECOND sentence, mantel does NOT cool down with pressure, it heats up and … oh never mind …. i won’t bore you, the rebuttal to the first sentence was only meant to be a paragraph or two!!

my reply to this guy was something along the lines of that I won’t explain just how *wrong* he was… I also didn’t miss his BLASPHEMY of calling himself a “saint” either..

I’ve seen a few people call themselves saints, how do people get this up-themselves? fuck that annoys and baffles me. You’re supposed to die in order to get a Sainthood right?

I bet these are the arseholes who didn’t pay attention in school, that they are the bastards that thought it’d be cool to skip class.. i bet these are the guys who made fun of the smart kids

revenge is quite sweet, yeah I remember you, no i don’t want fries with that..

—EDIT—

for reference this is the actual reply to this guy… it seemed a waste to not actually put the information out into the world, it’s just a rehash of the above, but more “polite” …

I lied – I will explain – but I’m only going to explain how you are wrong for your first sentence .. i hope you understand…

“Because of the spinning of the earth, the magma deep inside the earth is continuously condensing into the mantel just under the crust”

what you are stating is that the centrifugal force of the spinning of the earth, is pushing the magma up against the bottom of the crust of the earth, right? much like when you have, say, a litre or so of water in the bottom of a ten litre bucket, so if you were to spin and hold your arms out as you hold the bucket, the bucket would point outwards as you spun and eventually you’ll spin fast enough such that the bucket would end up pointing directly away from you and you would see that the water at the bottom of the bucket is being held in place by the g-forces created by your spinning …

fair enough… we do know that the force pushing upwards via centrifugal force, however big or small, actually does exist…

however…

you are able to spin a lot faster and create more centrifugal g-forces in comparison to the gravity you naturally produce, so the water in the bucket stays where it is because your mass isn’t anywhere near enough to draw it towards you. ie. the gravitational field that you create just by standing there is practically non-existent, and is easily overwhelmed by centrifugal forces of your spinning.

now the earth on the other hand, with all that mass, produces far less centrifugal force in comparison to the gravity it produces because it’s not spinning fast enough like you can to overcome the effects of gravity

The proof is, hold that bucket of water above your head, point it down with the open end pointing at you and hold it there with one hand. Did the water stay in the bucket and did the bucket stay above your head in the same way that the bucket and the water was held in place while you were spinning around?

You can do this experiment without the bucket, for what you seem to be saying about the spinning causing the magma to reach the surface, that spinning would probably also be fast enough to fling you into space. Remember it’s got to be strong enough to break through the crust, but you’re standing on top of the crust, there would be nothing stopping you from being flung into the air

remember how the bucket tried to “escape” from you as you spun around by pointing directly away from you? To get a similar effect with the earth, it would need to be spinning just as fast to overcome it’s gravity. (relatively speaking)

think of it this way, you need to spin once every second or two to get the bucket to at least start to point away from you, so for the centrifugal forces of the spinning of the earth to over power the earth’s gravity, the earth would need to be rotating much much faster than it is

i won’t bore you with the math – but the centrifugal force is something like 350 times weaker than gravity at the earth’s surface, which means the earth would need to rotate at about 8km/s a second at the equator, we currently rotate at 0.463 km/s .. which means the day would have to be something like 80 minutes long, and that’s just to balance centrifugal forces against gravity at the earth’s surface

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/Gravity-Centrifugal-Force-Earth.htm (for the math)

Centrifugal forces, even though they exist, are easily drowned out by the gravitational field of a planet, and considering that the Earth’s crust is a relatively thin (~0-40km roughly) compared to the radius of the Earth (~6400km), the gravity levels in the mantle and magma regions up to 500km under the crust (the region i assume you meant), would be barely different as most of the mass of the Earth is towards the core anyway… eg. the heavier elements sink

so having said all that, if the earth was spinning this fast when it was being formed, it never could have formed in the first place, as the disk of rocks and gases from which the earth was formed, would have flung itself apart every time it tried to form. if somehow the earth came to spin that fast today, well, it certainly would be interesting, but i can’t think of anything that could do that without ripping the earth apart in the process

Think of one of those mini carousel things you can get for the dinner table so you can put on salt/pepper and stuff on, so anyone at the table can rotate them around to the thing they want. If you rotate these carousels slowly, everything stays on board, but if you give them a big spin, every thing goes flying off the carousel, because the mass of the carousel (actually it’s the friction of the object on the surface that keeps the items in place, but let’s pretend that’s the friction has the same effect as gravity for this example) is not enough to keep the items in place.

Or a roulette wheel, how the ball rolls around the outside of the wheel until it slows down enough for the earth’s gravity to plonk the ball into a slot… that ball was able to stay on the outside when it was going fast but when it slowed down, gravity over took it and pulled it back down

for the rest of what you said, google convection currents, tectonic stresses, shifting continental plates, stuff like that should get you going, and volcanoes appear near fault lines a lot, google “pacific ring of fire” to show you what I mean, have a read, it’s fascinating

see!!! i can be nice… FUCK YOU!! LOL!

–EDIT–

but here’s what the fucking ungrateful dumbarse said back .. i bet he didn’t “get” any of what I said, it’s not like I could dumb it down any more..

I won’t be around to watch you hold back the lava pouring out of the earth so keep this information for yourself. Scientists think too much instead of looking for the truth. The truth will tell you everything that’s coming our way.

God bless you,
Brad

Posted by Word of Truth on January 6, 2010 – Wednesday – 9:37 PM

god bless me? i told that fucktard to keep his blessings to himself … what an ungrateful little bitch, bring back the Roman fucking Empire … the *Real* one … not the bullshit one Constantine screwed up …

seriously – if these people don’t want to learn – then they ONLY go to atheism and non-believer blogs to FUCKING MESS WITH YOU

block them, block them all… what is “christian – other” anyway? what fucking church do I need to talk to to get their members excommunicated??

the church of the born again loser?

seriously – what is the matter .. oh wait.. god delusion.. they think they *are* god.. they just don’t realise they think they are god

can you disprove the existence of god? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

i saw a funny quote tonight in a bulletin somewhere…

“I wish Jesus would hurry up and come back… and take away all the Christians!”

or something like that…. here’s another quote… can’t remember who said it …


To say categorically, “There is no god,” is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no god in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.

let’s try this another way shall we?

To say categorically, “There is a god,” is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is a god in the universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.

but which is true?

none of them are true.. the logic is flawed … god can’t be proven even if it *did* exist… god revealing itself as proof for the masses defies the very meaning of a god, at least for the christian invisible man in the sky god because with proof, there would be no faith!…

and besides, god would only reveal itself to those who were worthy anyway…

but if we forget, for a moment, about the fact that a god wouldn’t reveal itself anyway to the unworthy, and that god is actually in this universe and that it is actually visible and not out of phase in a different dimension or something tricky like that, we would only ever be able to *prove* its existence, right?

Imagine that, as impossible as it is, that i was actually able to go everywhere in the universe and that I did end up looking every where for god, under every rock and behind every nebula for god and didn’t find it anywhere..

does that prove that he doesn’t exist?

no it does not..

because god could have been about 1000kms behind me the whole time or he could have been in one spot when i was some where else – the point is – we just missed each other, so i’d be none the wiser

but by going everywhere in the universe would that prove that god *does* exist??

if we ran into each other it would!!

eg. “oh look! It’s god!! see! i found him!! woot woot”

so … there is only one way you could possibly disprove conclusively that god did NOT exist in this universe.. and that would be for you to be everywhere in the universe simultaneously at the same time..

but since you would have to practically *be* a god to do that, it does NOT seem to be very likely that we’ll ever be able to DISPROVE the existence of god even if it was supposedly a part of this “realm” that we live in.

so if you went on a journey about the universe to prove whether god was there or not – you might get lucky and run into him before you die – but you could search everywhere in the universe for ALL ETERNITY and still not have your answer if you couldn’t find him..

we can never disprove the existence of god, even if we could be everywhere at once, because god could very well choose to hide itself from us, or it could very well be that god “lives” in a different dimension, point being is that even if humans reached the ultimate pinnacle of knowledge and we humans actually did know about everything in the universe, god is still more capable of that and therefore god could still exist, and we would never be the wiser.

Posted 15 January, 2008 by manabrau in god, nonsense, Religion Sux Arse