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RELIGIORANT
just mentioning god is idolatry

mostly written, 31st March 2011, mostly… excuse any points being repeated a few times, as this is probably long enough to be four blogs

—- SHORT BLOG —-

Many people claim to “know” god, or that “god is great”, or that we all should “believe in Jesus because he’s our saviour”, but that’s all bullshit, not (only) because of what is being claimed, but copious amounts of bullshit also stems from the fact that it is even mentioned in the first place!

it’s god, right? if one particular god is “the” god, then that particular god is so fracking great it has no comparison, so why bother to even mention some trivial task that it supposedly did, isn’t that bragging?

Q. What’s a trivial task for a god? A. Everything is a trivial task for a god, otherwise, it’s not god.

If someone is right about their choice of god (as they so often claim) and their god actually is “the” god, then they’ve won the argument without even arguing, so what’s the point in arguing?

what other purpose is there in mentioning god all the time other than to reaffirm the faith of the believer?

I believe that the believers who keep mentioning god all the time, do not really believe in their god in the first place and that they keep telling us about god all the time because they need to keep reminding *themselves* in some sort of self re-affirmation that god is indeed, great!

—- MEDIUM BLOG —-

People are showing off when they claim that “god” made the entire universe (eg. creationism or “intelligent” design), or it created The Clouds, or it’s responsible for a baby’s laughter, or indeed it is *love*, well so what? Who gives a rat’s arse what you claim god did or even what you claim god is?

If you believe in god then and you spend all your time mentioning to us about how you believe in that god, then you are not demonstrating what this god has taught you, you are not demonstrating this “love” that believing in this god has taught you. You are merely bragging, and that is all you are doing in lieu of actually being this good loving person. You are just saying that you are good person, instead of actually *being* a good person.

mere belief in some arbitrary thing, even belief in the alleged creator of the universe, does NOT automatically make you a good person.

So given this, believing in god means nothing to me, because it has an arbitrary relation to whether you are “good” or not; take paedophile priests as an example.

If you must insist on bragging that you believe in Jesus, either show us that you are a good person via your actions or your boasting means nothing, because all these things that people boast about in relation to their god, are beside the point.

For example: What does believing in creationism or intelligent design or saying that god made the clouds or whatever, what does *any* of those things have to do with being a good person?

They have nothing to do with actually being a good person, do they? So they should not even be mentioned at all in the first place.

If you boast about believing in Jesus, without doing what he taught, then you are following your own version of your Jesus-god.

eg. John 3:16, is often taken *literally*

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I believe the true spirit of that verse is such that you “believe in Jesus” by actually *doing* what he taught, and not just by merely believing in him, which seems to be exactly what a disturbingly large proportion of “christians” seem to “believe in” when it comes to their religion…

And worse still, if a person is following a god that they have made up, they have in fact, deluded themselves into following a god that is actually their *own* ego. Seriously, what god other than one you made up yourself would let you get away with all the shit you do and yet is still going to let you into heaven? Only your ego would let you get away with all your bullshit.

So you can sit there and say the gays, or the blacks, or the atheists, or whatever it was that caused god to get so angry that it decided to send a tsunami or an earthquake or a frikking asteroid, but so fucking what?

If you need to acknowledge those disasters and various other things as being done by god, then you are propping up your own beliefs, so you’re not much of a believer, are you, seeing how you need an external thing to lend credence to your beliefs in god?

It’s not the atheists that are actually demanding evidence for god, it’s the obsessive religious people that need evidence of god with all of their looking for miracles, holy signs, Jesus returning, faces of Jesus in toast, and all other manner of things that are nothing to do with actually following their religion.

PROOF IS IN THE PUDDLING

If this god that people claim to believe in actually existed, then why do they not fear this eternal punishment by not following its teachings?

For example: there is ample evidence that no-one is actually following Jesus.

Proof of this?

World poverty.

I find it impossible to believe that if two billion christians actually got together and gave to the needy, that there would be people in need any more.

Jesus said to sell your possessions and give that money to the needy, right? If there actually were two billion giving to the needy, then surely people in need would be a myth by now, having been eliminated by the generosity of christians, well over a thousand years ago?

—- LONG BLOG —-

In terms of religion, I only “know” christianity, and given what I know of christianity, I won’t believe in Jesus, simply because, throughout history, those people calling themselves “christian” (aka “Christ-like”) have demonstrated over and over again that they are not worthy of calling themselves such a thing.

In other words, I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing the “christian” label, even in death, I would find it embarrassing, so why the fuck would I associate myself with them in life? That’s like calling myself a Nazi or a Klu Klux Klan member, and then having the gall to be puzzled at people’s negative reactions towards me because of the groups I choose to affiliate with.

The basic reason for my repulsion towards christianity, is that I believe you need to *earn* the right to call yourself christian. By my own reckoning, I believe that I have *not* earned that right, so I will not call myself christian, ever.

The history of christianity, right up to this very day, is littered with the likes of the Crusades, Inquisitions, hating on gays, hating on atheists, hating on SCIENCE (how ungrateful?), hating on who-the-fuck-ever.

Ahem! What part of “love your neighbour”, aka *everyone*, don’t “christians” get?

and too fucking bad if I’m generalising too, because there are not enough christians doing anything about the “christians” that I am speaking about. If they *are* out there, then they are not speaking out loudly or often enough.

Seriously, if “good christians” are not saying anything about the trouble makers in the two billion or so Christ-followers, then those “good christians” can also not say anything about the non-believers who are complaining about those “bad christians” too, especially when *we* are telling your fellow “bad” believers to pull their heads in, when it’s the “good” christians that should be doing that!

In short: Either “real” christians do something about the “bad” christians, or the “real” christians will wear the actions of the “bad” believers as well, because if they don’t do anything about the “bad” christians, then it makes no difference to me whether you are a “bad” *or* a “good” christian. The way I see it, is that you are both being hypocrites, as the “bad” christians are not being “good” christians, and the “good” christians are not doing anything about the “bad” christians.

That is what happens in real life, when a minority goes and ruins something, then everyone else suffers because of the dickheads. “good christians” shouldn’t whinge about people generalising them into the same bucket as “bad christians”, they should get off their butts and get out there and start whinging at the people giving christinsanity a bad name! “good” christians are allegedly in the majority (apparently), so they have the numbers, and yet they do little to nothing about the idiotic christians?

Like it or not, the inactions of the “good christians” against “bad christians”, condones the actions of the bad christians. If “good christians” don’t like that, then either stop calling yourself christian or stop openly being a hypocrite and do something about *all* of the bad apples. Not just some of them – ALL OF THEM.

but regardless of what christians pretend to believe in, I can’t pretend to believe in *anything*, I WONT do that, so therefore I CHOOSE to not tell LIES by calling myself a “christian”.

I can not dishonour this character called “Jesus”, because along with Yoda, Gandhi and Buddha, Jesus sounds like a pretty decent sort of guy regardless of the stories being real or not. If I were to just say that I “believe” in Jesus, but then I do not do the things that he taught, i would be pretending to follow him. ergo, I would be lying, I would be dishonouring the man if he ever existed! In fact, if I did lie that I was a follower of Jesus, it would be prudent to hope that there is no such thing as Jesus, because I’d be in trouble should the big-guy show up one day!

If I just said I believed, but then didn’t actually act Christ-like, I would be following my own made up version of Jesus, which would be a false Jesus, which would mean that I was worshipping a false god, which means I would be committing idolatry, which means I would be breaking the first commandment by loving a god that I had made up.

That god might still be called “Jesus”, but I can also stick an Armani label on my jacket and pretend that it’s the real deal as well.

it’d be like saying I believe in Yoda, but being impatient with everybody; ie. Yoda taught patience, and if I wasn’t patient with most people, most of the time, then I would have no right to pretend to be a Jedi. I might say that I “believe” in Yoda, but if I don’t do what he taught by being patient with people, then the Yoda that I say I “believe” in, is *different* to the Yoda that we’ve seen in the movies.

Just look at everyone who calls themselves “christian”, there in lies my extreme objection to christianity in general, because it would seem that the overwhelming majority of “christians” have not even opened their bible, and yet they make a big deal about that I should follow Jesus too?

No!

What they are asking me to do, is follow *their* version of Jesus, not the Jesus that taught selflessness from the bible.

In other words, not only are they committing idolatry, they are asking that I commit idolatry as well, by worshipping their false god.

If you just “believe in Jesus”, without doing what the guy taught, then you’re only worshipping him in name, so what you actually believe in, is the *name* “Jesus”, which is detached from what that Jesus guy actually stood for, right? ie. believing in the *name* “Jesus”, is very much a different thing to believing in what he taught. (and don’t forget that there was no-one *actually* called “Jesus” 2000 years ago, seeing how the letter “J” wasn’t used until the 1500s)

In other words, if you just say that you are christian, without actually following what Jesus apparently taught, then you are making up your own version of him.

For example, say you believe in Jesus, and you follow most of his teachings, but you go around judging people all the time. If you do something like that, then you’ve made up you own version of Jesus, so you’re worshipping a *false* Jesus.

So the way that I see it, is that pretty much every christian who has admitted that they are such a thing, was pretty much making up their own version of their precious messiah, and that’s a whole bunch of idolatry right there.

Summary: If you say that you are christian, but you don’t follow what Jesus taught, then you’re making up your own, false Jesus. This Jesus you worship might be close to the “real thing”, but it’s not exactly the same, so it is a *different* Jesus.

Worshipping false gods breaks the first commandment.

—- MORE LONG BLOG —-

From the sample set of people I’ve encountered that have claimed to be christians, maybe a thousand (definitely several hundred) of them on the internet, 99% of them ARE LIARS, they were *not* acting Christ-like, and if you aren’t acting Christ-Like, then you have no right whatsoever to be calling yourself “Christian”

If these “christians” actually *were* christian, there would not be so much of this lopsided distribution of wealth in the world. ie. if christians actually followed their Jesus’ teachings, there would not be such an enormous amount of poverty in the world

In three of the gospels, Jesus said to give away your money to the needy, so seeing how there are still needy people, *somebody* is lying that they are christian.

I can tell stories too, but I can not tell deliberate lies, and that’s exactly what people do when they say they are christian but then have the fucking bullshit gall of then saying that their god hates fags, or god doesn’t want this and Jesus wants this and blah blah fucking lbah lbah blah, when they themselves aren’t even following their precious “LORD”….

shit man, the US military has this notion that to be a good soldier, you need to be a christian.

Ex-fucking-cuse me? Where in the bible does Jesus say that you can kill people under *any* circumstances?!?!?!?!

HE SAID NO SUCH THING!

THE *CHURCH* made that bit up over a thousand years ago so they could get people to fight for them in their armies!

In fact, Jesus said that to follow “The Way”, you should give away YOUR LIFE before hurting anybody in order to avoid sinning of ANY nature, so WHERE THE FUCK do people get off saying that *only* christians should be in the military?!?!

FUCK YOU!

so excuse me, according to the bible, there should be NO christians that are involved in occupations where they might hurt people, therefore there should ONLY be non-believers in the military as christians have been quite clearly instructed by their messiah to NOT HURT ANYBODY.

In fact any job; police, fireman, doctors, actors, wrestlers and *EVERYONE* else that may, via their occupation, bring harm (accidentally or not) to someone should NOT be a christian, because that Jesus guy said to LOVE everyone, and that love means NOT bringing harm to ANYONE, and that means that he wanted his followers to love *everyone* and not just love the people you felt like being nice to.

Jesus said to not be concerned with people who try to kill you, as they can only kill you once, because if you retaliate and hurt them in order to protect yourself, you then give up your eternal life of living forever in peace and harmony in heaven.

READ YOUR FUCKING BIBLE, you know, instead of shoving it up your arse, because it’s a lot harder to read when it’s stuck up your arse, seeing how it’s covered in the shit you have attributed to it.

YOU CAN’T PROVE IT AND I CAN’T DISPROVE IT – GAME OVER

i like to think of my approach to supernatural belief, as being a practical approach, because for me, it doesn’t matter if there is a god or not … it just doesn’t

you can’t give me proof of your god, and I can’t disprove it, therefore; the argument is over before it began, so anybody trying to convince me there is a god, has already lost that argument with me, because seeing how there is either “no proof” or “*everything* is proof” – it makes *no* difference, and to harp over god doing little things when god supposedly made everything, well, that’s idolatry, you SHOULD NOT NEED any extra little bits of proof to prop up your beliefs..

Jesus performed miracles … bzzzzz .. idolatry…
god made the clouds …. bzzzzzzzzz… idolatry….
tides go in, tides go out. .. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ …. IDOLATRY!!!!!!

your belief in god should stand by itself, if you need something else to support your beliefs, then you are not loving your god *only*, because you are *also* loving that thing that helps you love your god. That was the point of the first commandment, “love thy god before all others”, it wasn’t totally about not worshipping Ba’al and Krishna and what not, it was about not falling into the trap of “just believing”, because “just believing” is idolatry itself…

If you “just believe” in something, but then don’t follow its teachings, then it’s fair to say that you don’t really believe in it, right? you’re just saying that you believe, therefore your belief in god has become a thing, it’s become separate to actually following god.

idolatry is very easy to commit.

a true believer would not need to resort to external entities to lend credence to their supreme entity, because if you require some little thing to prop up your belief in this supreme universal being of yours, then that supreme being isn’t precisely “supreme” now, is it?

IF JESUS EXISTS, THEN HOW COME THERE IS WORLD POVERTY?

actually, you can give me proof of god, and that’s to act in a way that I find agreeable, and if your agreeable actions are somehow defined by the god that you boast about believing in, then that’s tentative proof (or rather, “I’ll take your word for it”, ie. I believe that you believe) that your god exists to you.

I say this because if Jesus really existed, there would be no poverty in the world, there just wouldn’t.

But that’s not because Jesus would have prevented all the suffering from happening in the first place, but it is because if all the christians gave away all their money to the needy (you know, like Jesus said to in *three* of the “gospels”), the wealth of two billion christians would be evenly distributed across the world to those who need it the most, and there would be no such thing as world poverty.

But since there *is* world poverty, that is proof to me that two billion christians are not being very christ-like, therefore according to the overwhelming proof that “believers” have given me via the fact that world poverty persists (and is getting worse), then this Jesus they boast about believing in, can’t possibly exist, because why would they defy the teachings of their precious Master if not following those teachings meant that they spend an eternity suffering in hell?

But if you are *actually* being christ-like, I’m not going to have a problem with it, can’t think of too many christians that were christ-like… uhmmm.. Gandhi? oh wait… never mind … oh.. what about Jesus?

“In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross.”
–[Friedrich Nietzsche]

NOT MY PLACE TO SAY WHETHER YOU SHOULD BELIEVE IN A GOD OR NOT.

I might have an opinion about believing in some arbitrary deity figure, but it is just an opinion, and it’s an opinion that doesn’t really matter, because what ever the answer is, there’s no point in fretting over whether there is a god or not.

it’s not up to me to determine or lay down the law as to whether other people should believe that there is a god or not, you can believe what you want

But in saying that, I will demand that you let me do the same.

But for interest’s sake, if it was up to me to impose that decision upon people, I would say, “no, don’t believe in god, it’s time for humans to grow up already, it’s time for people to put aside at least one excuse for being crappy to other people.”, because you know how when one small group of people go and do something stupid and they mess it up for everyone else?

should there be unequivocal proof of god, I would still not follow it. why would I? it’s already too late, the things that have been done can’t be undone, you can’t *start* with a clean slate all of a sudden at some arbitrary point by deciding to believe in Jesus or whatever it is.

Don’t kid yourself if you think otherwise, you may be forgiven for your sins by Jesus, but that doesn’t mean shit as to whether you are going avoid punishment for those sins. (unless of course Jesus is your own ego, in which case, you can get away with anything)

People might think that they have some sort of clean slate by believing, but that’s bullshit because if you *wrong* someone, it’s that person that has to forgive you, you can’t just believe in some dude in the sky and have that meaningless action make up for your “sins” against someone else!!

that’s just the most selfish thing I can think of; you do something bad to someone, they suffer, you ask Jesus for forgiveness, and all is good again? I don’t fucking thing so, because when you try and attribute those selfish actions to a “christian”, you have to ask… “ahem, just which Jesus is it that you believe in?? because I never heard of a selfish Jesus”

so in essence I won’t believe in Jesus because most people who claim that they do believe in him have the story utterly wrong.. eg. christians who “hate” gays, Jesus said to love everyone, so what’s your fucking problem homophobic christians?

and it doesn’t matter if there really was a Jesus, or whatever god it is from the over abundant supply of not only gods, but different versions of those gods as well, ie. how often do you encounter any two people that would seem to really believe in the same “Jesus” the same two ways on even agree on how to interpret half of the bible, for example.. sure people say they believe, but it’s what ever they make it out to be, ie. no two people could possibly agree on every aspect of the bible… unless of course those two people didn’t miss the point of the bible, that being that Jesus said to love everyone, no matter *what*.

because no matter what you can tell yourself that you believe in, it’s how your actions are judged in this life that count. and according to the story book itself, the *only* way to get into the christian heaven, is to be an honourable person in this life, simple belief is not enough, if you think otherwise then you are lying to yourself in your interpretation of the bible, or someone has gone and filled your head with their incorrect notion of their belief in Jesus, and you’ve blindly run with that notion without questioning it, because it’s exactly what you wanted to believe in. ie. everyone loves a happy ending.

—- END —-

congrats, you made it to the end

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atheists are arrogant…. (atheiorant)   1 comment

ATHEIORANT
atheists are arrogant

mostly written 11th Feb, 2011…. mostly….

atheists are arrogant; they are, but no more or less arrogant than believers are..

and I don’t mean that atheists are arrogant in the sense that they have the gall to deny an individual’s god with some “clever” bit of logic, or even debunk one of those religious stories with some fact that would blow it out of the global flood waters, or even saying “mate, don’t be a dick-head, you know all those bible stories are bullshit, right?” but…

atheists are arrogant for even attempting to use their intellect against the religious, it’s just not fair!! *stomps*foot*and*pouts*

it’s arrogant to use your logic when god just isn’t logical in the first place, so don’t expect results using logic!

do you try to talk about philosophy with your cat, well?

it’s a fair bet that the non-believer is going to be cleverer than the believer, so the non-believer should not forget that they already have the advantage in any ‘game’ of facts and logic, so it just seems ridiculous for atheists to even attempt to shoot the fish in the barrel.

If you argued with a mentally challenged person and walked away from that argument feeling like you had won, that’s no victory. If you’re a 120kilo heavy-weight that beats the crap out of a 60kilo weakling, that’s no victory. If you know a martial art, and you use that on someone who couldn’t hurt you even if they tried, that’s not a victory, no matter how much they tried to hurt you.

On top of this, even if you did trounce every religious argument you’ve ever encountered with all these facts about just how wrong their bullshit is, (which isn’t really that much to boast about, when you think about it) it’s still not a defeat to the believer, it’s probably a *victory* to the religious person if they merely retain their faith.

Maintaining the status quo is just as good as a victory to the believer, you’ve tested their faith, they still have it, therefore *you* lose, doesn’t matter if you were actually right and actually did win the debate with your facts and figures, you will always lose from the believers’ point of view, you can’t beat their god/Jesus/Muhammad/whatever with your logic.

Why do you think these religious clowns keep going on about the same old fucking thing all the fucking time? that is soooooo fucking boring…. come on.. no space is not a fucking ocean, no the planets don’t slide around on invisible rails, no the fucking earth is not held in place by its magnetic field so it will not fucking fall into the chasm of space if it fails!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!! GROW UP!

you can only change someone’s mind beat someone’s god with patience, and from what I’ve seen on the internet, patience is a rare commodity, so don’t waste your patience on the beating of dead horses…

“every Jedi knows you can not save someone who does not want to be saved”
–[Jedi General Aayla Secura]

DEBUNKING THE RELIGIOUS AND THEIR STORIES IS SO EASY, A CHILD CAN DO IT

Debunking religious tales is *easy*, a child can do it, so it’s arrogant to try this logical, rational and Captain Sensible approach to debunking god and expect that it’s somehow going to change some overly religious person’s mind, especially in the short term.

Instant changes, on an emotional level, can’t be made without ‘hurt’, that’s why feelings of grief will often linger, right? You can’t just suddenly wish away the hurt, you’d be a droid if you could do that.

Likewise you just can’t wish away the ‘dumb’ that goes along with the religious point of view, as people don’t want to change what they ‘know’ to be true in any sort of a hurry, they aren’t droids any more than you are. The same thing happens with people who stay in less-than-ideal relationships, they just don’t want to give that security blanket away, even if it’s old, crusty, stinks to high heaven and treats them like crap.

Debunking religion does have the positive effect of pissing the religious off though, but it mainly serves the selfish purpose of propping up the fact that you are right, of course their frikking god is a load of bullshit.

So logic and facts are not going to be that useful, especially when it comes to the bible, seeing how most of the christians I’ve seen online clearly don’t even understand the bible themselves. It’s kind of silly to debunk the bible and expect that a believer is going to have a change of mind, especially when the believer doesn’t even care if their precious bible is full of shit in the first place! It’s kind of like expecting people to know their multiplication tables, when they don’t even know basic addition, if they don’t know basic addition, then there is little point bamboozling them with fancy schmancy multiplication.

So, Logic + Bible = #fail ??

Logic isn’t totally useless in your arguments, just don’t expect a return on your investment.

don’t get me wrong, if you try to argue with a child about something that they think to be true (perhaps because their Mum said it was so), eventually they are going to realise the truth if you keep the logic up at them…. the keyword there is *Eventually*, so this will *only* happen if you keep up with telling them your truth, but until they come around to your way of thinking, they will probably *hate* you for trying to tell them that thing their Mum said, that makes them feel warm and fuzzy about themselves, is stupid, or bullshit, or lies or whatever craptacular superlatives you can think up.

What do you think all the abuse flying around in the “religious war” on the internet is all about? You just have to say the word “Atheist” and religiotards go *spastic*, what’s the point in trying to waste your intellect on fucktards like that?

Using raw logic just pisses the dumbarse fucktarded believers off, and soon as you piss them off their brains start saying over and over …….

“LA LA LLAA LA LLA LA LA LA LAL LAL LA LA LA LA LAL ALA LAL LAL ALA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LLLA LA LA LA LA LA L A L A LA LA not listening to you LA LA LLA LA LA LLA LA LA LA LA LA LA LLA”

beliefs are based in emotions, you can not change how someone feels unless you make your argument from *their* emotional point of view.

LISTEN TO OBI-WAN YOU MUST!

“Luke, you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”–[Ben ‘Obi-Wan’ Kenobi]

Wise words indeed, and very relevant to what I’m babbling on about. If you can’t understand what the other person is putting themselves through with this rubbish they tell themselves, then you are going to have a very hard time trying to unravel their labyrinth of warm and fuzzy feelings by using your factual tales about how their religion is bullshit.

it’s *very* important that the other person’s point of view be taken into consideration, if you truly and compassionately believe that it is “for-the-best” that people give up their religion, then you need to speak to them on *their* emotional level, and *not* on your emotional level with your facts and figures and logic and your rationalistic points of view

You should use your clever logic to formulate a solution that deals with the emotional aspect of their belief.

so forget any of the logic you have, because unless you have forever to be patient with someone, you will get little-to-no results. You may make a dent in someone’s belief, but that dent will probably takes months or years to rust so bad that it can’t be ignored any more, that is of course, if the religious person’s emotional concerns stemming from their belief in god, doesn’t make them completely dismiss your logic summarily out of spite, seeing how their jealous and perfect and eternal god outranks you and such.

Think about your own perspective; only *you* can change how you feel, right? likewise, you can not change some other person in an instant by delivering them some ‘fact’ that they are supposed to take to heart, they have to want to change, and they have to want to change at their own pace.

You may deliver some fact that may just cause the cascade into breaking that person’s beliefs, but the hit and miss ratio of this tactic is severely balanced in the favour of the “miss” side.

If you’re an ex-believer, relate your own experiences.

save your fancy facts and logic for later on, once you’ve got them asking questions

THE AFFRONT

attacking the concept of god, is an affront to the believer’s very concept of eternal life, you’ve attacked their assertion that they have the ability to cheat death by believing in this loving god, you’ve attacked their emotional need for god by saying that everlasting life (that is somehow provided by this god creature of theirs) is in fact, a lie.

How would you feel if you suddenly found out that this tight-rope you were walking upon, didn’t actually have a safety net that would catch you if you should fall?

how do you react when someone says some lie about someone you are close to? that’s what you are doing to the believer when you attack that god thing of theirs. Realise this emotional dependency in your arguments, and *use* it to your advantage. Realise that you are attacking them and their ego.

That’s what you are really doing.. say “god doesn’t exist” and you are saying that the *ego* of this person doesn’t exist, no wonder they go ballistic when you deny their god.

put yourself into their position; how would you feel if someone you were close to was suddenly revealed to have killed every creature on earth? or that your parents didn’t actually exist?

that can’t be far removed from you’re asking the believer to do, even if god is only in their heads. remember the moment that you discovered that Santa Claus wasn’t real?

ex-believers may remember going into a mild (or perhaps even massive) panic at the moment they thought, “oh no! I really don’t get to live forever” … oh … snap….. ex-believers may also remember that ‘rush’ they got when they thought that Jesus walked with them at every moment that they were alive and how it gave them some sort of righteous self dignified feeling of just being there in the world, all because they are a believer in Jayzsus Cahrist…

believing in Jesus must be very much like being in love, without that whole having-to-worry-about-being-rejected thing, but in order for people to let their Jesus go, people need to grow and expand, at their own pace.

Realise they need to let go of their own *ego* – you *never* defeat somebody’s ego, and if you did, it could actually result in that religious fruit cake flipping out altogether.

*use* that to your advantage, address the underlying emotional concern of the religionist, and leave your conversations about “facts” for your dog, because at least your dog will appreciate the time and attention you give him, even if he doesn’t understand you in the slightest.

SO WHAT TO DO?

So to truly deal with the problem of religion, you need to look at it from the believers point of view, because even if their god is just imaginary, their imaginations are still very much real to them, and you know what it’s like to get caught up in a story, right?

imagine you are a person living inside a story all the time, imagine walking around believing in Lord of The Rings, or Star Wars or Harry Potter or Dungeons and Dragons as if it were “real”?

The sheer absurdity of the idea of believing in some other person’s anachronistic story from a few millennia ago is beyond even trying to address. It’s a *facepalm* situation that is so intense a joke that you honour it’s absurdity by even acknowledging it’s existence, because to even denounce such a joke as religion is to give it more credence than the joke deserves.

“their jokes, don’t make me laugh, they only make me feel like dying in an unguarded moment”
–[The Church]

because seriously, some people really *do* need to have guidelines about how to behave, so even if they do have it that wrong, it’s best to let them have their teddy bear joke, telling them that their teddy bear is wrong will not help much, instead, tell them that they are not following what their teddy bear wanted them to do, that they shame their teddy bear by not following Teddy’s teachings.

so instead of trying to tell them all the crap they believe in is wrong, you could always teach them how to get their religion right.

If people actually followed what Jesus taught, i wouldn’t have a problem with christians, even if they quarter-followed what was taught it’d be great… but that’s not going to happen because the fact is, it’s very hard to be Christ-like, so showing people that they aren’t even following their precious Jesus, is bound to help them reject Jesus of their own accord, at least, that’s my theory…

tell them why you don’t believe; I don’t believe in Jesus Christ because I haven’t see any “christian” actually acting christian, so i’m not going to pretend to be something that I’m not, especially when people call themselves christian when they are clearly not, why would I lump myself in with the greatest lie and joke of all time, why would I identify with a people that have the gall to call themselves “Christ-like”?

I can’t think of a bigger joke on this fucking earth. It’s a joke so big, it’s not even funny.

So, give up on your intellectual battle against the religious, it’s not working as well as you would hope, I bet you piss the not-so-smart christians off, especially with all that fancy explanations of fallacies and logic, they don’t even understand their bible, they’re not going to understand logic..

ie. people have an emotional attachment to money because it provides security, but this precious Jesus the christians allegedly follow, told his followers if they want to follow him, then they are to sell all their stuff and give the money to the needy… atheist should educate the believers, tell them to part with their precious money…

do you know many christians that have given away all their money?

“In truth, there was only one christian, and he died on the cross”
–[Nietzsche “Der Antichrist” (1888)]

god is dead, and we really did kill him… (religiorant)   Leave a comment

RELIGIORANT

“god is dead, and we killed him”
–[Nietzsche]

Nietzsche said this about christianity, but not so much in the context that he meant it out of spite or out of disrespect for Jesus Christ.

Far from it.

Nietzsche said this because he was referring to how people don’t actually follow what Jesus taught.

let’s play a game, shall we?

1) “if you are really a true Christian, in the true context of what Jesus Christ taught, then put your hand up if you are a Christian and you truly believe in Jesus Christ and what he taught”

Did you put your hand up? you’ve failed already…

you can’t just put your hand up and say, “I’m a Christian”, what’s that about?

If I went around saying I was “Christ-Like” or some other out-there thing, like “I’m an astronaut”, I would *expect* people to challenge me and ask me to prove it, you have to *prove* that you are a Christian before we will believe you…

So why do believers merely think that I am going to take their word for it when they merely say that they are christian?

Get fucked man, just saying you’re a christian is merely some *thing* that you’ve said, and it means *nothing* to me if you don’t have the actions to back up your claims, so admitting that you are christian in the first place sees you #FAIL the “true” christian test, and if you feel it necessary to say that you are a christian, before I’ve had to chance to decide for myself that you are worthy of such a title, then it will take you years to unwind the distrust you’ve created with your self declared affirmation that you are “Christ-Like”.

You *did* read the bible, right? You read the bit where Jesus says to not brag about praying and that you shouldn’t brag about the ‘good’ things that you do, right? Shit guys, if you can’t brag about those important things, then merely saying you are christian is a far worse form of bragging because you haven’t even done anything whatsoever to back up your claim.

the whole ‘label’ christianity, Jesus, Christ etc.. it all means nothing, “The Way” has never been about believing in a person / character / myth / historical / actual / non-existent entity called “Jesus”, the whole “believing in Jesus” was meant to be an affirmation that you “Believe in not harming anyone, at any cost, ever” .. it was *never* meant to be about the person “Jesus” himself.

that’s what the whole dying on the cross thing was about… and you don’t *need* to call that “believing in Jesus” either, so just saying that you “believe in Jesus” or that you are a christian, is beside the point, because actions are what really count, words don’t matter shit if you don’t back them up with those actions.

2) I won’t bother, seeing how I doubt you even passed the first test….

Posted 15 February, 2011 by manabrau in Christianity, jesus, Nietzsche, Religion Sux Arse

How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?   Leave a comment

God is dead.

God remains dead.

And we have killed him.

How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?

What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us?

What water is there for us to clean ourselves?

What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?

Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?

Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

—Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125 tr. Walter Kaufmann


Posted 13 September, 2009 by manabrau in Nietzsche, Religion Sux Arse

What song will atheists sing at christmas time? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

“What will the atheists sing, during the praise of “winter solstice?””

*facepalm*

uhmmm.. perhaps the atheist will sing those songs that they had been enjoying all year instead of making a big deal out of having special songs for this one time of the year?

and what’s wrong with non-believers being able to sing Christmas songs anyway? Personally I love a whole bunch of Christmas songs.

perhaps the atheist will also wonder why christians have this one special bit of the year when they claim they are loving people when they should be nice to each other for the whole year? What’s that about?

The way it seems to me is that there are more “christians” who reveal themselves to be arseholes at Christmas time than at any other time of the year!

But perhaps at Christmas time, the atheist might think that christians *need* an excuse to be kind and generous? seeing how they prattle on about belief so much, I see a lot of bragging that people are good christian people, but I see little of people claiming to be christian who use their “christian” message to have anything nice to say.

perhaps, the atheist wouldn’t wait for that one time of year to celebrate anything, I mean if it’s a good thing, then why wait for that day which only comes around once a year?

but.. uhmmm.. stupid question time… but since when does an atheist celebrate or praise anything in particular in the name of atheism in the first place?

There are no public holidays that I am aware of that are set aside for atheists.

Atheism is not a religion, despite the proselytizing from the masses that it is indeed, a religion.

So to say that an atheist is celebrating the winter solstice by implying they would be engaging in arbitrary rituals like it’s some sort of religious holiday is an utter fallacy to begin with and it is clearly said out of arrogance and ignorance, but is said mostly out of hate for the atheist. Hate isn’t something that Jesus commanded, is it?

celebrating the solstice is pagan, anyway… yes – that’s right – Christmas is a PAGAN thing. The Romans put Christmas at the same time as the pagan celebration of the solstice – so in fact, it is the christians that can take their celebrating of the birth of Jesus at “Christmas time” some place else, as christians are usurping traditions that aren’t even christian to begin with…

any atheist celebrating anything because of their atheism is just doing it to “mess with” smarty pants religious idiots or they are merely done to piss the religious types off! After all, atheists are evil and treacherous with their deviousness, so it’s to be expected.

and there was this other fuckhead thing said…

“all Christmas songs, celebrate both God and Jesus! Both names, God and Jesus, are in nearly every song.”

WHAT A FUCKING GENIUS!! THAT’S *WHY* THEY ARE CALLED CHRISTMAS SONGS, FUCKHEAD!!

That’s like saying love songs celebrate the giving and receiving of love.

“Really? I never would have guessed that Christmas songs were about, Jesus and god!! I thought they were all about Satan? .. oh, I mean Santa!”

All this referring to atheism as a faith by the “faithful” is merely about the religious persons’ need to point at something and say:

“hey look, my faith has validity! we have holidays and songs, so my faith *must* be valid! do atheists have ‘atheist day’? no! are there any songs about atheism?? NO!!! so my faith has more credence than your atheistic stupid faith does, so believing in god is more valid, so I win, I’m better than you are! nur nur…”.

All this denouncing of atheism, is just to offset the doubts that the religious people have, because if you truly did have faith, then nothing what so ever should be able to shake that faith. So the more someone goes off saying their faith is valid because there are aspects of it in every day life, the more it indicates how little faith they actually have in their own beliefs. This is because your faith is supposed to be an *internal* thing, external entities are not supposed to be able to validate or invalidate that faith.

That’s called idolatry, when you have some external “thing” to prop up your religion, isn’t it?

When was the last time you saw an atheist standing in the middle of a crowded shopping mall yelling at the top of their voice saying that there is no god? that evolution is a fact? that Charles Darwin was right? that Friedrich Nietzsche is the Messiah? that Baruch Spinoza’s ideas on god are the only valid ones and that if you don’t believe them, then you are going to burn in hell for all eternity at the hands of Satan, as we all know atheists worship Satan, they just don’t acknowledge it in public, like how that Xenu rubbish went public when it was supposed to be a secret only revealed to the highest ranks in Scientology.

and yes, this is where you point out that atheism isn’t a religion, it’s just a label for people without a religion, that’s all there is to it. Anyone trying to make atheism out to be a way of life is severely fucked in the head.

“Hi Honey! I’m home to our happy atheist home from my happy day at the atheist office!”
“Hi Honey! MWAH!!”
“So what did you do on your atheist day off today Hun?”
“Oh nothing really, I just denied the existence of god all morning and said a few mantras to Charles Darwin after lunch”
“But Honey! you do that every day!”

Why do christians insist on having Christmas only once a year? shouldn’t Christmas be every day, shouldn’t the birth of this fantastical LORD be celebrated to it’s fullest extent each and every day? That’s why I am not a christian, because no-one seemed to be putting in even a half hearted effort at trying to emulate their Messiah.

And on an Easter note, why could Jesus not have stayed dead for seven days? Then we could have had the whole week off and not just a lousy long weekend?

“Peace on earth will come to stay, when we live Christmas every day.”
–Helen Steiner Rice

mostly written 12th December 2008, mostly.. it’s Easter so let’s do a Christmas blog…