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why i don’t believe in (your) god … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

—INTRODUCTION—

god – is supposedly a being that is beyond all comprehension of the human mind, right?

everywhere and nowhere at once, infinitely intelligent, has lived and will live forever, right?

so if one is truly a believer, shouldn’t one just accept that their god is the frikking greatest almighty being of all time and space and beyond and that god made *everything* and just leave it at that?

meaning to say that if god made the universe, then so fucking what?! If that is true, then we don’t need to hear about every little detail of all the things that this god has supposedly done; we’ve all heard the stories at some point about how god made, well, *everything* and that kind of accounts for, you know, *every*fucking*thing* …

so when people start pointing out all the individual things that this god of theirs has done – i find it to be kind of pointless and somewhat conceited, in other words, you are “up yourself” if you insist on frequently showing off your god by telling everyone about how great your god is by telling us all about every little minuscule detail of all the things that your god has allegedly done.

so why bother insulting your god by even attempting to fathom one iota of what it is about by spouting your mouth off over the things it has supposedly done?

it’s like bragging about how your buddy made a web page, when this buddy of yours not only made the whole web site; he wrote the software that is running that web site; built the hardware that runs the web site with his bare hands; built, invented and installed every component of the internet such that you can view that web page… etc etc… and here you are, fucking bragging about some insignificant tiny web page, sheeesh.. think small much?..

and “yes!”, when it comes to god, creating a whole fucking universe is an insignificant thing to a god. It *is* god we are talking about, is it not? god can do any fucking thing, stop thinking so fucking small with your petty arguments that god made the universe, if I was a god, I would be embarrassed about having made only one fucking universe and even worse still is that I would be so fucking annoyed at my followers for assuming that one pissy little universe is my greatest claim to fame, what about all the other shit god has done? Oh what’s that? You aren’t privvy to all the other stuff that god has done? That is my fucking point, your ideas of what god has done are so insignificant that it is not worth mentioning, even one trillion-trillionth of what god knows far exceeds your knowledge of this supposedly infinitely endowed god creature of yours.

—MIDDLE BIT—

god is undefinable – by openly admitting to a belief in god, what you are really saying is, at least in some tiny part, that you *know* something of the *undefinable* god, with the implication being that *YOU* know god *better* than anybody that you are blabbering at with your well rehearsed list of all the godly god things that make your god so great.

How can you possibly know anything, whatsoever, about something that is undefinable?

god is god, that is the only nano-particle of information that you have about god and that is *all* you should require to be a believer.

One can only imagine that these believers that blabber on all the time are *showing*off* their god and this is doubly true when these conceited believers are conversing with an atheist, telling them how wonderful god is because of all the shit this god creature made.

but for all the wondrous things that god has done, god itself remains undefinable and yet believing in this undefinable god, as many outspoken “christians” would tell us, is mandatory for being a moral person?

How can you be a moral person when you don’t know squat about god and yet this stuff that you know nothing about, somehow surreptitiously makes you a morally good person?

How does that work?

and please don’t tell me the things that god wanted people to know about are in the bible, well, if that is true, then what has god got to do with it?

why are you not actually following what it says in the bible? Why do people conveniently ignore the fact that their precious messiah, said that to be a good moral person, you need to give to the needy.

If 10% of the richest people purporting to be christian actually gave significant amounts of their spare cash to the needy, there would be no such thing as a needy person. Especially when there are 2.2 billion christians currently and that christianity has been around for 2000 years… so when are you fucking “christians” going to get on with that helping the needy thing?

Don’t expect Jesus to come back until world poverty has been eliminated.

the belief in god is not required to be moral – how can believing in something, that is undefined, which the majority of believers don’t even actually fucking follow, make someone a moral person?

Believers can’t even agree on the morals taught in the their own religion! For instance, some christians are known to be hateful towards certain groups of people; eg. gays, atheists, etc.. yet Jesus teaches to love everyone, even your enemy; but clearly some christians find it too hard to obey this Jesus they allegedly get their morals from, apparently.

Basing your morality in something that is undefined means that you can and will make up any old shit to suit your moral tastes and whims, which is exactly the accusation that christians often level at non-believers, the only difference being is that christians slap a god label on their morals to give them credence, the non-believer does not need to slap on such a label to their moral choices in order to actually be moral, a non-believer does not need to be prodded or guilt tripped into being a good person, they are good persons of their *own* accord which is far more in-line with the teachings of that Jesus dude, so what the fuck is it with believers and their constant claims of how believing makes their morality better than everybody else’s?

For myself, I don’t believe in this Jesus most christians would purport to believe in, or rather I won’t believe in this Jesus because mere belief in some supernatural entity does NOT make me a good person, and to be frikking honest, I’ve not ever met a christian that was actually following the teachings of JC in the first place anyway, so why would I *also* pretend to follow Jesus like some false-christian lame-o wannabe? If JC is the actual god of this universe and is as powerful as these supposed believers say that he is, then isn’t pretending to be a believer going to piss god off far more than being a non-believer?

MAIN

god is *supposedly* the most fantastic and most spectacular and most intelligent being of all time and this god *supposedly* created the universe in however much time the believer reckons it took their god to do this ..

many people would agree with that notion of god …

but no …

they don’t …

not *really* …. they just *think* that they do ….

look at those believers who insist upon pointing out the little things that their god has done … not only is that idolatry, but it is also *pathetic* and a sign of a weak and fearful mind because that person needs constant reassurance that their god is *real* and this is achieved by pointing out all the things that god has done… ie. the more you tell yourself a lie, the more it becomes the truth to you.

for example: god made the cute smile of a baby; god made the fluffy bunny-rabbit-shaped clouds in the sky; god saved the little boy from the plane crash (so it’s a miracle, of course); god made the earth; god made the universe; god did this; god did that …..

it’s pathetic because if believers truly believed in an all-fantastic god, then what is the purpose of pointing out every little thing that this god has done?

beat a dead horse much? aren’t your arms getting tired from wanking yourself while you are getting off on the self-informed notion that you are a heaven-bound believer?

The frequency of rabid believers and their often spouted mantras of god’s creations leads one to wonder if the believer is trying to convince others that god made the universe or if they are indeed trying to convince *themselves*…

it’s like “we heard you the first gazillion times you flapped your mouth about god, give it a rest already!”

if god made the *entire* universe then it should then be a GIVEN FACT that god made the fluffy clouds and the laugh of a baby and all those other warm and fuzzy things – to harp over the little things that god has done, is *proof* that you don’t truly believe in the awesomeness of god creating *everything* that is in existence because if you truly believed in this god of yours, you would not even bother pointing out all those little things because you would be so comfortable, or more likely in *awe* with the knowledge that god made everything it would not occur to you that it was necessary to dwell over every little thing god has done.

Belief in god should be like breathing; it is something that you do, one should not need to go around telling everyone about it.

bragging about all the minuscule things that god has done is akin to stating how clever an adult is by bragging about something they first mastered when that adult was two years old. except, it’s infinitely worse.

—THE POINT—

see, that’s why i don’t believe in your god, because for any god that you could propose to me, there is no doubt in my mind that this god-notion of yours could be “out-godded” eventually by something *better* than your god.

So given this notion that mortal ideas of god can always be bettered, there is no point in putting any sort of boundary upon god, so if you want to believe in god, just *believe* in it, any prattling on about it, merely serves to remove its infinitely wondrous nature because you are putting your grubby little mortal limits on what this god of yours is all about.

So for all your pointing out of all the little things that god has done, you idiot, all you do is admit that you can not comprehend the vastness of god, which is probably why you believe in god in the first place, you can’t wrap your little brain around that which is infinite and that is nothing to be ashamed of because who can grasp the infinite nature of the universe?

At least non-believers don’t use something to cover up the fact that they don’t know the answers to the big questions in life, seriously, do you see non-believers walking around saying “god didn’t do that, god didn’t do this, nature made that, nature made this, i don’t know how this was made, nor do I know how that was made” .. these are things that I do NOT need to say! I don’t *need* an answer to every fucking question in existence!! I have no problem with not knowing *everything* and I do *not* need a temporary answer to fill in the gap while I wait for a better answer than “I don’t know!”

as a non-believer it is a given fact that things exist, I do not *need* to *know* the final and complete answer of how they came about but the pursuit of that knowledge is what I enjoy, it is what makes the universe an interesting place to be in.

If we did know everything about the universe how boring would it be?

(most) non-believers accept the universe “as is” and believers should do the same because whether your god made the universe or not is irrelevant in the here and now if you are actually following your precious Jesus and his two commandments …

mostly written 23rd August 2011, mostly, maybe I take things by their definition to the extreme too much, but regardless of this….

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religious excuses for hating gays…. (offensive-religio-rant-humour)   Leave a comment

religion, dividing the world, again still….

what’s the most likely religious reason excuse as to why religious people hate gays?

I mean it says in the bible in that Leviticus bit:

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

and then again, but with more vigilanteeism

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Frankly I don’t see why the male chauvinists haven’t latched onto these ones, I mean people are always interpreting the bible however the frack they want and getting away with it, so how about this interpretation of Lev 18:22?

Leviticus 18:22 Do not tell lies to your fellow men (like how you tell lies to women) as it is uncool!

or how about this play on words of Leviticus 20:13?

Leviticus 20:13 If a man fucks another man, once he has already fucked a woman, then both that woman and that man shall be put to death!

So, if you ‘lay’ with a man the same way you ‘lay’ with a woman, doesn’t that imply that you have had to have had already been ‘laid’ by the woman in the first place. So that implies to me that it’s OK to be gay, as long as you aren’t switching sides later on!! LOL! urrr… and if you do flip sides after taking a woman, then the woman is responsible for turning the man gay… (yes, chauvinists should like that one too) ..

of all of these excuses for gayophobia in the bible that i can find, they don’t mention that girl on girl action is bad, so one can only assume it’s not OK for guys, but being gay is OK for girls… 😀

oh, and then there is this beauty from Doo-too-ron-oh-me (sounds like a droid designation! “Doo-Too!! Doo-Too Oh-Too, where are you?!”)

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Charming. makes me want to be a cross dresser, or get a sex change, and then wear men’s clothing! Or maybe the author of Do-Too Oh-Too didn’t want women to be wearing any male appendages? “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man” … maybe that author got a *really* bad birthday present from his woman once, ie. she wore the appendage as a trophy…

*ouch*

Those three verses (old testament by the way) are probably the only three biblical excuses for gating hays, however, those same verses are probably the basis for lots of christian bigotry.

and if you didn’t know, the most famously quoted version of the bible, the King James Version, doesn’t even have the word “homosexual” in it at all, it uses the word “effeminate”, so anybody using the word “homosexual” when quoting the bible, is using one of those versions where somebody has gone and got a convenient translation of the bible. I’ve seen christians quoting the King James Bible, but then in the next paragraph they are making quotes from the bible that use the word “homosexual”.. that’s deceitful is it not?

and the word “gay” appears only once in the KJV….

James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

i like that one… so apart from the O.T. rubbish from bible, what is the religious reason excuse why people hate gays?

I think it’s because gay people *are* gay… not a little bit of the time, not some of the time, not most of the time, no.. they are gay *ALL* the time, because that’s who/what/how they are.

just like i am me, not some of the time, not most of the time, but all of the time.

and no, it’s not strictly a religious reason…

just like a christian is a christian *all* the time, not a little bit of the time, not some of the time, not most of the time, a christian is a christian at all times… right? well, at least they are supposed to be christian all the time because if they are not christian all of the time, then they are not christian at all.

but…… there are obviously some people who just can’t fucking understand the concept that “people are people” and that other people think differently to them. which would explain why USA christians rail against atheists far more than they do against other religious people – to them their line of thinking is that at least other people believe in a god of some sort, I guess it is easy for the christian to say to themselves that other people’s gods are just their mistaken view of the christian god, than it is for christians to accept that people don’t believe at all.

so as stupid as it sounds, let’s just write it out loud

you are, who you are…

sounds like an easy concept to digest, right? … should be a no-brainer right? hmmm… but apparently *not*, given the carry on we’ve all seen online… (if you haven’t, welcome to the internet, remember not to believe everything you see and read and you’ll do fine)

see, i think some people just can’t understand or cope with their world not being how they want it to be, and that’s a problem, not only for them, but for the people they are bigoted towards.

Nobody can change *who* someone is, you can only change yourself, so being a bigot to someone, isn’t the best way to go about trying to change someone’s way of life.

You could even beat someone for being gay, and they might pretend to not be gay, just to escape being beaten, and eventually they could become ‘straight’ just to conform, just to blend in, but… who’s fucking business is that in the first place anyway? Certainly not someone who has *never* even met you, you can’t change people’s hearts, at least not in the space of two seconds.

You could beat someone for being christian, but would they not just say that they are not believers any more so as to avoid being beaten? would they really stop believing in Jesus, just because you seem to have beaten it out of them?

and some people, clearly can’t even be themselves, so to compensate, they want everyone else to also not be themselves, so they tell these other people these things “stop being yourself, it’s an abomination”, but, really it’s a matter of .. “If i can’t get to be who I want to be, then no-one else is going to get to be who they want to be either!!” … well, that’s the impression I get!

“My life is a pointless boring misery so *yours* is going to be the same as well, because I’m too lazy to make a mark in this world, because that requires hard work.”

Aside from it not being someone’s business what other people do in their bedrooms, if you don’t like looking at people who are gay, then don’t look at them. Pretty simple, right? After all, you do realise that teh gays are easily identifiable by the flashing neon lights built into the sleeves of their fluorescent jump suits, so just look away when you see the neon.

it will be pink neon, usually.

*rolls*eyes*

and you know, maybe those people who are worried that their school age children are getting a ‘bad’ influence from gay teachers have a point. after all it would be rather distracting to the child’s concentration to say the least as it takes effort to treat people with respect especially when they do not deserve it, not to mention they might grow up to be more tolerant of people who are different to them. can’t have that happening, now can we? so parents who are concerned that their kids are being “poorly” influenced should be sure to ask their kid’s if any of their school teachers are having Mardi Gras every class time with scantily clad gay folk parading up and down between the desks? or if any of their teachers wear pink neon lights on their jump suits?

*face*palms*

and you know, maybe those rabid packs of homosexuals running around the streets, gang raping paranoid mountain preachers in the arse, just *might* be a problem for society… I mean, those pink neon jump suits might blind some drivers at night time if these rabid-gay-pack-gangs become very large… put all those gays in the one spot and teh gay neon light would be blinding to those astronauts up on the International Space Station.

*shakes*head*

oh, and wouldn’t it be a *real* shame if everyone was gay and the human race died out because no-one could have a naturally conceived child any more? I mean, we ALL know that children can only be made when the heterosexual man puts his who-who-dilly in the heterosexual woman’s cha-cha!! right?

So if everyone has turned to teh gay side, then there are no more humans being made because it’s just not possible for gay people to have children, is it? Two guys can’t make a baby, two girls can’t make a baby. I mean it’s not like gay men would have sex with a woman for the sole purpose of conceiving?!? ewwwwww… not even if you were last member of the opposite sex in the world, honey! not even to save the human race!! ewwwwwwww!!! and it’s not like children can be artificially conceived and then implanted into the womb! that’s science fiction! and even if it is possible, those children would be evil, conceived and born without souls! (but at least they would be born with pinky neony flashy lighty jumpy suits)

(yes, these sarcasms are actually based on real fundy arguments… this blog is completely based on REAL and ACTUAL things alleged “christians” have said to me on the internet … except the flashing pink neon.. i think it was actually more like a pink ribbon instead … )

(oh.. i wonder what my point was?)

*several*weeks*pass*

(oh.. i remember now)

those people who do hate gays, hate gays out of fear… again, it’s all about fear.

a fear that their world might collapse because someone might be doing something somewhere that’s somehow going to mess up their lives at some time in the future in some way, and it’s out of their control, way out of their control in fact and it’s going to happen at *any* second… just like Jesus is coming, in like .. five minutes from now… it’s all about fear and everybody knows what fear leads to… the Dark Side… 😦


so these people act out, but their ‘venting’ hurts people, some people have died *just* for being gay at the hands of some christian warrior for Jesus or some sort of foot soldier for god, because we all know how busy god is at being impotent omnipotent…

maybe these males who hate gays, just simply fear that upon having butt secks, they might just find it to be pleasurable? I mean we all know how good taking a good shit feels, having butt secks can’t be too much different from that, right?…

*evil*laugh*

another (possibly offensive for those without spines) ramble, mostly written on 20th March 2009, mostly…

god did it! what can we say but… (religiorant)   Leave a comment

“god did it!” hey? well, I say this….

borrrriiinnngggg…

saying “god did it” breeds intellectual laziness and that leads to apathy on a massive scale..

if you start being lazy and start claiming that god did anything, then you are on a path to being apathetic towards *everything* in the universe

imagine all the great minds that didn’t look through a telescope or a microscope or see some creature and wonder how the hell that came to be, because they had their natural human curiosity quashed by fabulous tales (is that where ‘fable’ comes from? LOL!) of an old dude in the sky, who made everything, who knows everything and will be around until even beyond the end of the time itself..

and that’s what religion does, it trains the mind to not question the universe about you.. oh i wonder how…. “nope, god did it” – oh then i wonder where… “no god did it” – oh then why did… “no no no god did it, god did it, god did it” …

i hope every body gets frikking +A with frikking honours for their Creationist subjects at high school…. imagine *that* multiple choice exam? imagine *that* essay for your final grade in that class?

in all seriousness we’d be digging up the asteroid belt or we’d have automated robots doing it for us by now if it wasn’t for religion, how much time has the world wasted due to faith related suppression of moving forward?

how many great minds didn’t bother to flourish, how many ideas were never brought into the light because religion insisted that “god did it” and that to question otherwise is blasphemy?

extreme religious views deny the human nature of curiosity and that is denying part of humanity itself, religion, makes you *less* human in spite of what those nut cases and their extremists views would have the rest of the world believe, especially those who claim moral superiority, while summarily excluding those who have different views on life.

That’s not moral superiority, that’s moral *inferiority*

No person can selfishly claim that their morals are more valid than everyone else’s: who died and made you and/or your religion the moral compass for all humanity? and it was *not* Jesus! Your god did not command you to be judgemental – in fact Jesus said to do the opposite, and making judgements means that *you* are defining an absolute parameter as to your moral superiority and we all know that …

“Only the Sith deal in absolutes”
–Obi-Wan

It’s our differences, that bring us together that will make us stronger as a species, that is what separates us from the animals, we are creative and *can* get along with everybody, but only if we so choose to do so.

But religion works against this, as it magnifies the fear of the unknown, it preys on the fear of death: on the fear of what can’t be controlled, it teaches you to be bigoted because that’s how religion works – it spreads *fear*

“fear is the path to the Dark Side, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering…”
–Yoda

Much suffering has indeed been brought about by religion….

how can people say that religion had nothing to do with all the wars and crappy attitudes to their “fellow” human? it sets people apart in one unique way, that their supreme being is better than the next person’s supreme being, neither of which have been seen in the last two thousand years, except by guys who had probably been lost in the desert for weeks and had started to hallucinate, seriously! don’t these biblical stories all sound like these people were on acid?

religion excludes and sets us apart from those who are different, all the while screaming at us that it promotes togetherness, in much the same way that someone says some sort of mantra when they beat someone whilst telling themselves that the person they are beating, deserve it, it’s not my fault they were bad, thump, whack, crack, thud… it’s not my fault, they are sinners, they shouldn’t have made me beat you, bam, whack, thud, it’s not my fault they can’t follow god like I do.. whack bam thud, whack bam thud, wack bam thud thump wack bang thump, thud…

religion sux arse, poison it is

Posted 20 December, 2008 by manabrau in morality, Religion Sux Arse

ban the bible!! (religiorant)   Leave a comment

ban the bible!!

what happens when someone publishes a book and people go on some sort of rampage after reading this book?

what happens when somebody makes a speech that breeds and/or encourages hatred or some sort of bigotry?

what would happen, if say, I wrote a book and a bunch of people got the idea to go around killing, raping, invading countries, being violent in general, beating up minorities or some other terrible thing like that – because they read a book that *I* wrote?!?

would I be accountable somehow? yes? no? sort of? not sure? don’t give a rat’s?

I’m not sure of the law where you are, I’m not even sure of the law here, but I’d expect that I’d be accountable *somehow*, even if the public’s reaction was unintentionally provoked on my part.

what if this book became popular long after I was gone? what would happen then? am I still accountable, posthumously? would, or *should* someone still be responsible?

The point being, is that such a book would be removed from circulation altogether, or it would be declared an “adults only” type book, restricted to being viewed or purchased by minors or it would have a disclaimer attached to the front, something like

“This book is not supposed to cause violence towards your fellow human. The author is not responsible if you decide to kill anybody after reading this book.”

So… here’s the question…

why hasn’t the bible been banned? why doesn’t it even have a disclaimer?

The bible *should* have a disclaimer on the front and it should point out all the things that are dubious and hypocritical and morally vague or conflicting with today’s laws.

So *before* anyone goes ahead and reads the bible, they might want to consider exactly what this publication is advocating, just in case they read the bible and then go around hating gays or something lame like that not long they had finished reading the bible..

and why not?

i’ve heard stories of people hacking their own hands off … i bet you have too…. what was their excuse for hacking their hands off? because the *BIBLE* said to do it!

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
–KJV

and I have heard of stories that claimed people have plucked their *own* eyes out

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Matthew 18 – King James Version.” Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

the bible is responsible for so much hatred, “oh the bible says gays are an abomination”

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for ‘abomination’ in the KJV”. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

“oh the bible says incest is OK” “oh the bible condones slavery” “oh the bible this” “oh the bible that” bible blah dee fucking blakkedy blah blah bah bah… sorry if i can’t be bothered to quote all the relevant verses of rubbish from the bible….

oh yes, i hear what some of you are saying, “it’s the people that read the bible and take it too seriously/literally that are the problem!!!” something like that, hey?

hello! that’s my fucking point!

oh, and perhaps the apologists would say that if it wasn’t the bible that influenced them, then they would have found some other way to justify their crappy attitude to the world.

well, I concede, sure that’s probably right, as we all know that anybody from any walk of life can flip out and go on the rampage, or go “postal” as it’s been commonly termed.

but what else is there that has really screwed up the minds of so many? what other book or film or individual has been the source of so much division in the world?

And yet the bible remains unbanned – especially in a society that often shows that it still has ultra-prudish people with their objections to seemingly innocuous things – eg. if you don’t like seeing women in skimpy bikinis, then what the fuck are you doing at the beach in the middle of the summer? if you don’t like profanity, then why are you watching comedians that are more than well known to have a potty mouth?

And to top off the hypocrisy, I seriously doubt you could find two christians that could interpret everything in the bible in the same way anyway. christians talk about “absolutes” – but it’s very likely that very few of these born again christians would interpret the whole bible even vaguely in the same way, let alone *exactly* the same way, let alone interpret it *correctly* ..

I suspect this is why Catholics still make up 51% of the global christian population, because as far as I remember or understand, Catholics are told how to interpret the bible by their priests. If they have questions, the Catholic consults their priest! So there’s a reduced amount of this making up your own minds about what the bible is supposed to mean when you are a Catholic.

And you know, I thought that was a bad thing for quite a while, but, isn’t it better that everyone get it wrong the *same* way, than everyone getting it wrong completely differently? that’s chaos commonly referred to as “born again christianity!”

but shhhssssh! don’t tell the christians, but that’s what’s killing christianity, every one making up their own interpretations of the bible when they should be talking to someone who has actually studied the bible…

So… what other thing or person espousing notions of love and togetherness and peace for all mankind, somehow also gets some people all riled up enough to be able to justify hating other religions and races and differences of opinion or whatever else bigoted shit so openly and so proudly?

i can’t think of anything else? how about, the Qu’ran? The Satanic Verses? Mien Kampf? Those Danish Mohammed cartoons? The original Stars Wars trilogy or the prequel trilogy? Picard or Kirk? Old Battlestar Galactica versus the new Battlestar Galactica? ???

I can’t think of anything, can you?

so why doesn’t one of the greatest causes of violent conflict and piss poor attitudes to people across the entire world, get taken off the shelf, permanently?

It should be illegal to try and ‘offer’ your religion to others. Spreading the word should be a crime, a hate crime at that.

At the very least, the bible should be considered an “adults only” bit of literature, it should have the book equivalent of an “R” rating. Do books even have ratings?

Seriously, what child can make sense of all the nuances of the bible?

Heaven, hell, good, bad. It’s funny but the first conceptualisation I remember about evil, came from the bible. Maybe if I wasn’t exposed to the bible at all I wouldn’t have spent ten years worrying that I would offend god and that I was being evil or bad or what the fuck ever it was I would dwell over that I can’t remember now, but being struck down where I stood by god was one of the thoughts I would often have – and I didn’t even fucking believe in it!

How about the age of consent be used in regards as to when a young person is suitably aged to be exposed to the bible, or religion in general for that matter? Maybe, voting age is a better idea?

because aren’t you screwing up the minds of children with unneeded worries when you tell them about heaven and hell?

How is creating unnecessary anxiety in a child, not abusive on *some* level? The child could go on to have anxiety problems their whole life, all thanks to some body telling this child “You need to believe in Jesus or you’re going to hell!”… I wish that was a joke, but it’s not.

If you’re a parent and you need to use biblical fear to keep your child in line, are you not deferring your ability as a parent to people of the bronze age?

People should realise that a child will not concern themselves with the positive aspects of the bible, or any religion for that matter, they will simply dwell in fear over the negative aspects.

A child might think, “Who cares if Jesus loves me? WHAT IF I do something wrong, I’m going to burn in hell for ever and ever and that’s a very long time and it’s going to really hurt, much more than a tooth ache by the sound of it!!”

Apparently taking note of the negatives in our life is written into our genes, which makes sense actually.

A cute bunny rabbit is to your left, and a snake is to your right, which one are *YOU* going to pay attention to?

In fact, I bet some of us would move toward the bunny and pick it up to protect it from the snake! Some of you might even hide behind the bunny for protection.

We take more note of the bad or dangerous things in life so that we can avoid them, we even take note of the potential of things to be dangerous.

But seeing how hell is just a aspect of something based on somebody’s faith, then you are merely creating unnecessary anxiety in the child’s life, that’s what the child will dwell over. That’s how *I* remember it.

That’s cruel isn’t it? You are telling the child to fear something that doesn’t exist in this world, this is *unnecessary*, it should be avoided, should it not?

*Some* kids become so fearful of hell, they don’t confront their fears and/or ask questions, they displace their fears with the notion that praising Jesus fiercely and often, will keep them from going to hell.

It’s almost like if those kids keep on praising Jesus all the time, they can’t ever sin because *all* they do is praise Jesus!

This is probably the sort of kid that shoots up a school yard of “sinners” all the while saying “The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want” and that “shadow of the valley of death” bit over and over again…. I’m sure I saw that in a TV show.. or was that a re-enactment of something real? it’s not funny either way

Psalm 23
(1) The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. (2) He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. (3) He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. (4) Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. (5) Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. (6) Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Psalm 23 – King James Version.” Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

These children are indoctrinated into believing christianity, but christianity *created* “hell” in the first place, and then offered it’s remedy, Jesus.

Which for my mind, is a bit like getting cancer on purpose to be in a “club” and then getting a miracle cancer cure which only this “club” can provide. Which then doesn’t cure everyone anyway, and actually makes some people worse.

So, yes, burn it, ban it, erase it…

Getting your morals out of the bible is akin to teaching your kids about life by sitting them in front of commercial TV for hours on end.

Oh FUCK! I just realised something! If the bible gets banned, it may just fucking “MARTYR” it somehow and all those people who never heard of the bible and all those people who never actually *read* the bible might just be compelled to buy a copy and then they would open it up and start reading it and find out exactly what is in there and…. oh… never mind… carry on as before. burn the bible. ban it. launch it into orbit

“I don’t care what they may say, Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright oh yeah!!”
–Doobie Brothers

mostly written 22 Nov 2008… mostly… oh why fight it… all i seem to do is mock religion, yes, i have plenty of free time on my hands.. but i might as well get it out my system… so let the religio-bashing continue unabated… oh, it just might take quite a while before these “god hating” “evil” blogs dry up…

Posted 22 November, 2008 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, evil, god, jesus, morality, Religion Sux Arse

godless morality is inferior? (religiorant)   Leave a comment


Far too often, I’ve seen religious people imply that the atheist or the agnostic person is somehow less endowed with morality than the religious person, some of these religious fundamentalists will even contend that the A/A crowd have no morals at all.

God abiding morality is the only morality?

Ignoring the actual morals themselves for the moment, but how can a such a close minded staunch religious person accuse the A/A crowd of having lesser morals or even no morals at all, in the first place?

Especially hypocritical is how this type of religious person doesn’t even *know* the people they are accusing of being immoral! This attitude says to me that they think god abiding morality is the only morality, because morals can only be possessed by those who believe in god.

Which is exactly what many christians will even outright say themselves.

But anybody summarily dismissing the morals of another person out of hand without even knowing that person, simply because they don’t believe in the same god as them, has little to no reason to refer to themselves as being morally superior.

Religious Morals are Superior?

Morals are not things that are black and white, how can they be?

Sure it’s wrong to kill, but what if in defending yourself you accidentally kill a person attacking you? is it moral that you be punished for defending your life or even your family’s lives?

Another issue that deals with a morally vague area that’s being kicking around a lot lately, the delicate issue of abortion, or rather how the religious have grasped onto that issue in the election in the USA because Obama is “pro-abortion” or whatever it is and this issue was being used as a way to make Obama “evil” or some shite.

From their ramblings I gathered that a lot of the religious crowd would have no abortions performed anywhere *ever* for any reason, because to take a life, is an immoral thing to do and well, it is, in most cases.

But the issue of abortion is not as black and white as the staunch religious person would have you believe, because in this day and age when morally legitimate circumstances arise, an abortion *can* be safely performed.

i am not trying to be insensitive here and i apologise if anything like this actually applies to you, but think about these few examples:

  • is it a moral thing to let a young girl, impregnated by rape, carry that child to full term when she has only just barely started puberty herself?
  • is it a moral thing to do to bare a child if it is known that the unborn child has been exposed to high levels of radiation or dangerous chemicals that are known to cause deformities and congenital conditions?
  • is it a moral thing to do to let a pregnancy go to full term when it is highly likely that the mother could very well die in child birth or even mid-term, killing both mother and unborn child?

again, apologies if it hits a nerve with these examples, but some of the religious crowd would mandate that all those three examples go to full term with no discussion at all from the people *actually* involved, and in those cases above:

  • hasn’t that little girl been traumatised enough?

    sure the new born child could be adopted but a little girl not even a teenager, raped and then carrying that child? is it really worth putting that little girl through the pregnancy as well?

  • would *you* really want to be that child that was affected in the womb by something that would permanently cripple you or have you live a life of constant pain?

    i know it’s insensitive and not that very likely to happen anyway, but to just appease someone who has nothing to do with the raising of that child, not to mention living that life when it’s *known* that the foetus has developed or has a high chance of developing debilitating conditions or even dying at, or before birth, seems to be the greater immoral act, at least to me.

  • would you want to risk losing your life *and* your child by letting a highly risky pregnancy go to full term?

the possibilities beyond the black and white are endless, and these are obviously very sensitive issues but it seems to me that a lot of the religious crowd, would say that an abortion is not justified, *ever*.

Sure, abortion as a form of birth control is probably not the most practical nor the most moral thing to do but, the anti-abortion religious person would have you believe that every abortion is wrong because it is terminating a life, but what if the abortion saves a life?

In all of those situations above, having the child could see entire families affected, with long term stress and depression for all involved and could even lead to multiple lives being lost in the long run due to the despair of being involved in caring for a special needs person because not everyone has the strength of character or financial ability to care for such unfortunate individuals.

Ultimately, I feel that an abortion should be up to the woman, or the parents of the girl if she is under age to decide what is the best course of action. If the woman is incapacitated or guardians are not available, medical and psychiatric professionals or possibly even the courts at the recommendations of health professionals should act in the best interests of the woman.

That seems to be the most sensible thing to do, doesn’t it?

So to my point:

A person that can evaluate individual morally challenging situations based on their individual circumstances and make an informed decision based on what may or may not happen if the “immoral” action is, or is not performed, is the person with the superior morality.

Yes – it’s a little bit more complicated than the black and white system, but that’s what our brains are supposed to be used for and with the aid of compassion for the individual, a better solution that speaks to that individual can be applied.

The morally superior person not only speaks to the consequences of action or inaction in the here and now, but they also speak to the consequences of an action or inaction in the future and this person will also speak to the individual rights of a person, in spite of what is “normal” for everyone else.

Abortion is just one example where morals are simply not black and white and morals are certainly not the exclusive domain of the religious, far from it. In fact, it seems to me that these religious black and white morals, are very much backwards, outdated, anachronistic, and ultimately inferior in this day and age where people supposedly are allowed to have their own individual rights.

These religious black and white morals may have held up well thousands of years ago, but as in the issue of abortion described above, thanks to advances in science, abortions *can* be performed safely when the circumstances give moral and compassionate reason to go ahead with the procedure.

Anyone still holding on to such black and white morals, such absolute and rigid lines in the sand, is not as compassionate as they think they are, nor are they willing to think outside of the box they call their religion to fully participate in the human race and show some of that unconditional love and compassion that they so often preach to the bleeding ears of the world, deafened by centuries of hypocrisy.

If you are unable to think outside of your religion’s values, then it’s no big deal to stick to your indoctrinated beliefs, as they still apply to most situations and it’s probably unlikely that you are going to be exposed to such morally vague situations anyway, probably…

That’s OK, but can we leave all the hard decisions in life to those who actually *can* think beyond morals that were carved in stone thousands of years ago, especially when you are not even following those teachings in the first place?

For example, I’ve seen so many christians telling lies that this commandment of not bearing false witness would seem to be an optional one and if one commandment is optional, then why not make the rest of the ten optional as well, depending on how many degrees the teachings have previously been distorted? Not to mention that Jesus superseded the Ten Commandments and taught two of them that can basically can be summed up by saying…

“be good to other people, especially to those in need and to those who would call you their enemy, that is how you show your love for me”

ie. Jesus taught that we are to love everyone, including our enemies, so how can there have been any wars involving any moral christians in the past two thousand years if these moral christian people were truly living up to the moral standards as commanded by their Messiah? hmmmm? ….

this is ultimately what disgusts me about christians; christians aren’t even following these morals that they so loudly and proudly claim are so superior in the first place!

and christianity isn’t at fault here, because it is just a fucking story and if you want to believe in a story, that’s great, but when the story that you supposedly believe in says that you are to love everyone and yet you do no such thing, then you are lying that you are christian because what you believe in, isn’t christianity, it isn’t the Jesus from the bible, it is your *own* version of Jesus, that you made up yourself.

Your own ego is Jesus/god, which means you are worshipping a false god. This god might be a little bit like Jesus from the bible, but you have gone and made up your own “teachings of Jesus”, so therefore your morality, just like the non-believer, comes from your own ego anyway.

At least the non-believer doesn’t pretend to aspire to the teachings of god and then just totally fucking ignore everything that god supposedly taught them, anyway…

Posted 4 November, 2008 by manabrau in atheism, Christianity, god, idolatry, jesus, morality