religion is stupid, we know this because we often laugh at others who don’t fit in and who stick out like a sore thumb, or at the very least, we raise our eyebrows in bewilderment at people who are different to us. Like those people who dress up and mimic their heroes at movies (Star Wars movie premiers and Rocky Horror reruns etc) and fan conferences (Star Trek conventions) and those medieval weekends (Renaissance Festivals) where people dress up like they did in the middle ages and other time periods.

That’s what religion is, except people do it as part of their *real*lives*, like nutters who plunge into their full blown rants about how “Jesus is LORD” and how they praise god and how you just need to believe in Jesus or Allah or the Space Monkeys from Alpha Cygni 3 – and those nutters think that behaving like that is somehow acceptable…

Religion is just a place where people “dress up” and pretend to be “good” when the fact of the matter is, they would probably have been “good” people *anyway*, even without all the religious mumbo jumbo. In fact, they probably would be better people if not for religion.

And you know, people can have their god and their religion, that’s all okay and fine by me… but if you are going to try and spread your bullshit, you should be prepared to defend your bullshit as well if you are going to shove them in my face.

RELIGION IS LIKE CIGARETTE SMOKE

I don’t care about religion in much the same way that I don’t care about cigarette smoke, that is to say that i don’t care about it until it’s in my face when I’m trying to breathe. ie. I should not have to tell you to keep your smoke away from me, so when I turn around and give you a dirty look, don’t fucking stand there like a dumbarse with a look on your face that says “what did I do?” when you know damn fucking well that I’m turning blue in the face from not being able to breathe!

The point being, no matter how much you think your cultural or spiritual or personal habits do not seem to be bothering any of the dozens of other people directly around you, you should take it as a given that *somebody* does not like having to put up with you being an arrogant dick with your stupid fantasy bullshit, and that you should know damn fucking well that it is likely to be making other people uncomfortable and the reason why you put forward your religion all the time is to intimidate people, in the name of god (aka .. your ego) – and if you don’t realise your religion could possibly be making others uncomfortable then you are probably one of the people that can’t understand why atheists “rail” against religion ….

The only reason most people get away with being a prick with their religion, or any of their other selfish habits for that matter, is because most people are too polite to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

Religion is the “fad” that has hit critical mass where people are so used to having it around, they don’t bother telling idiotic religiotards to stop being stupid.

(UPDATE 1/11/2011: although I will concede a resurgence of christians telling christian-religiotards to put a sock in it, but only from Australian christians though, and given the sheer volume of content from the USA I am exposed to – I find US christians to be abysmally lacking in the department of “moderate” christians telling the religiously ridiculous to shut the fuck up. Instead, however, in the USA I have noticed a trend that by the time people are ready to be openly critical of christians, they have stopped calling themselves christians altogether and now refer to themselves as atheists)

And the end result of a fad that has hit critical mass is that your fad allows adults to embarrass themselves.

Religion is what it would be like if a Star Trek convention had so many people attend that the perimeter of people participating escaped the confines of the convention center and can now live on its own because it now has so many people doing Star Trek things that a feedback loop of Trekkerisms amongst the general population keeps the stories alive such that after a few decades, not many people realise that Star Trek was just a TV show.

Imagine if everyone based their morality on Star Trek? As well having *everyone* say things like “beam me up” and “Engage, Mr Crusher!” and everyone thought that wearing red shirts was bad luck and that the most popular drink was “Tea, Earl Grey. Hot” and every little girl wanted to be a communications officer like Uhura; and somehow Tiberius was a top ten ranking name for boys and people walked around giving praise to “The Picard”, just to name a few Trekkerisms?

Not saying that any of these things are bad, but the point is, what if people went around living in this Star Trek inspired society, but hadn’t even seen a single episode of it?

That is what religion is to most religious people, yeah sure people like Captain Picard or Captain Kirk or Spock or Jesus, but if you didn’t even watch the show, let alone actually enjoyed the message that it sends – Star Trek, especially Next Generation, set a very strong example of good morality in my opinion – then how can you really be a Trekker?

If you’d never seen an episode, then how could you possibly understand the message of morality that Star Trek sent? All you have is some weird fad that many people have been conditioned into liking and yet those people generally have no idea that the whole thing is just fantasy, which leads to “apologist” explanations as to why we are not flying around space right now like “we have forgotten how to fly in space and we now live in a ‘simpler’ time” ….

*facepalm*

US AND THEM……

But this whole us v them thing between non-believers and believers?

well, it is like the non-believing geeks trying to out-do the believing jocks at being popular …. you’ve probably seen Revenge of the Nerds, right?

it’s no wonder atheism is becoming a “religion”, it’s prudent for it to become such a thing, simply because the religious are too fucking stupid to understand the concept of *not* believing in “something”, to be able to understand how to reject it properly….

That’s right..

it may just be inevitable that atheism will dumb down its own “brand-name” due to people joining its ranks that need to readily identify with something in order for them to identify with ie. atheism lacks a *thing* that people can latch onto , which in turn would allow the religionuts to be “defeated” by something that they themselves can embrace.

This is happening already, with all the different “flavours” of atheism. “New Atheism” – “Militant Atheism” – “Christian Atheism” “Agnostic Atheism” … yes … christian atheism…. ahem … oh well … whatever makes you happy, I guess 😀

I think all these new groups of atheists may very well be people who have recently become atheists and have dumped their religion, but they still need to find something to rally around mentally. “Religion: without the supernatural calories“, perhaps? ..

It’s kind of like ice cream, a lot of people would not bother to have an ice cream if it was just plain vanilla ice cream. That is to say that, atheism, by itself, just isn’t shiny enough to stand on its own to grab the mind of a potential atheist. Which isn’t surprising really, because you have to bring your own knowledge and understanding to the atheism party, which might explain why people stick with their religion, at least it is something they can understand, even if they do have it wrong, if it is wrong, beliefs in god cant readily be thrown away as the existence of a god creature cant readily be excluded – eg. for me it is entirely possible this god creature made a blank empty infinite realm of nothingness and over a trillions to the power of trillions of years, this realm of nothingness has spawned billions of universes, all via the natural laws of the vast nothingness.

But for me, I can’t see why it is not enough to just support your country or the planet you live on, religion is grasping for straws that can’t be rejected because of how high and mighty it makes you feel, which in turn, will keep dividing us.

STELLAR NUCLEOSYNTHESIS FOR YOUR PET

Think of it this way: Imagine that in two thousand years, this time “Star Wars” is a big religion and there are all different factions of it (just like christianity has different sects and cults) with constant arguments over how The Force works, or whether Han drew first or not, or how Jabba the Hutt spells his name … and don’t think that is not possible, I’ve had a christian phundie go ballistic at me when I corrected him for incorrectly spelling Jabba’s name “Jabba the Hut” with only the one “t” in “Hutt”.

Seriously, you are better off explaining evolutionary theory or stellar nucleosynthesis to your pet cat than you are trying to explain science to a creationist. At least your pet would love you just for the attention you give it.

Instead of wasting your intellect upon people who are willingly intellectually challenged with their “god did it” mantras, non-believers should apply their intellect towards undermining what the believer is touting.

That’s right.. I’m saying that atheists using science and logic against the trivial aspects of the believers’ religion is like shooting fish in a barrel.

So instead of the non-believer trying to defend their position with science and logic, the non-believer should make the believer *defend* their application of *their* religion. If your position is so strong, why bother defending it if your opponent can’t grasp what you are saying?

ie. don’t try to explain how your science and logic are correct, try to explain how they have their religion wrong.

and I don’t mean “wrong” in the sense of how they believe in the lame crap like Noah’s ark and Adam and Eve and any of those other entirely unbelievably wrong stories; I mean in the regard that believers have missed the entire point of their religion.

So stop this “my position is better than your position” bullshit crap against each other – change tact – scrutinise the believer for *not* actually following what their precious religion says to do.

And in the case of christianity: Jesus taught that to get into heaven you need to give to the needy, in three gospels, so exactly who thinks they are going to get into heaven, when they have not done a single thing that would get them into heaven?

The fact that there is poverty in the world is irrefutable evidence that the Jesus from the bible does NOT exist. Either that or believers flatly refuse to “love thy neighbour” or are totally oblivious to what their precious Messiah actually and supposedly taught them.

Remember, “christian” means “christ-like” , well, it’s supposed to, so if you want to say you are christian, then I expect you to *be* christian, and being a christian means you give to the needy, and if there are needy people in this world, then that means that there are christians that aren’t doing what they need to be doing to get into heaven! So if there are needy people, then that means christians are not taking the whole give to the needy so they are not going to this heaven, even if it does exist.

Being a christian is impossible, if the non-believer is so inclined to argue about religion with the religidiculous, then hit them where it hurts the most, point out all the crap that people are doing but aren’t supposed to do, or worse still, point out all the good things they are *not* doing.

Have a look at how hard it is to be a christian:

* You can’t be judgemental. (Mat 7:1) * You have to sell all your stuff and give all that money to the needy (if you want to go to heaven that is). (Luke 18:22
Mark 10:21 Mat 19:21) * You can’t brag about being a believer. (Mat 6:5) * You can’t brag about being generous. (Mat 6:1) * you can’t commit idolatry or adultery. (ten commandments) * You can’t lie. * You can’t steal. * you can’t pray in public (Mat 6:6) * You can’t lust after your neighbour’s possessions or their partner. * You can’t know who the anti-christ is. * You don’t know when Jesus Christ will return and blah blah blah blah

Our entire society is judgemental – greed is rampant – “christians” insist on telling us they are christian all the fucking time – the point being is that it is a very long list of things that you can call-out the believer on, without even going anywhere near science and logic.

You will get your message across faster if you argue on their level. And it doesn’t hurt to speak to christians as if their stories are true.

Imagine arguing with your cat. You can speak to your blue in the face, but your cat can not possibly grasp any scientific notions and logical reasoning on a complex level, so why bother? If you want to argue with a cat, you need to speak its language. But since felinese is quite the difficult language to master, just meowing at your cat, even if you don’t know the meaning, will be sufficient communications with your cat, since it would probably ignore everything you had to say anyway.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF THIS TOWN….

well, so fucking what if he is? keep that religious shit to yourself.

let me say it again, the entire point of Jesus and his christianity (which was allegedly called “The Way” back in his time) was to teach people to be nice to each other, to teach them to be “good” people, right?

so how the fuck does Jesus being LORD make you a good person?

it does not and it *can* not make you a good person, because only *you* can make you a good person or not.

* Just saying “Praise Jesus” or some other neat little phrase doesn’t make you a good person. * Saying a prayer every night doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to preach the gospel doesn’t make you a good person. * Trying to spread the word, does not make you a good person. * Telling people they are going to hell does not make you a good person, in fact that last one, well, it makes you fucktarded.

That is what Free Will is all about, the one thing we do get to control in life, is whether we are good or evil. You can choose to be a dick or not. You can choose do nothing or do something, and doing nothing, can quite often be the most evil thing to (not) do.

Only the good example you set via your actions can make you are a good person, and even then, it’s not you that gets to declare whether you are a good person or not, anyway.

Which leads to the point of why the religious should keep their religious views to themselves.

It is only other people that get to decide whether you are worthy of this label that you “christians” choose to bestow upon yourself. You don’t get to declare yourself to be like Jesus Christ by simply declaring that you are christian…

Call yourself a christian or a muslim or whatever other religious cult you feel like if you want to, but if you don’t live up to the good qualities that those belief systems supposedly project, then you are better off not mentioning that you are religious at all, and that includes not getting upset when your religious values are offended, especially when the central message of your religion is one of peace and tolerance, and how you supposedly forgive those that trespass against you, right?

So if you say to me that Jesus is LORD, I will consider your statement to be *bragging* that you believe in Jesus and bragging that you believe in Jesus is bragging that you are christian and bragging that you are christian is bragging that you are a good person and bragging that you are a good person, automatically makes me *doubt* your sincerity about being a good person because **nothing** you believe in makes you a good person, how can it?

Your actions define whether you are good or not, so saying that you follow some religion, doesn’t make you a good person, *ever*.

eg. Bragging that Jesus Christ is LORD doesn’t make you a good person any more than knowing that energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, makes you smart.

What does it even *mean* that Jesus Christ is LORD? *show* me how that makes you a good person!!!

This is the basis of why people should avoid committing idolatry, because what you say and what you do are TWO different things. eg. if you say you are a good person, that means nothing, but if you actually do good things, then that makes you a good person so if you go around saying that you are a good christian when clearly you are not – then that is idolatry because you are worshiping a false Jesus. (why this is idolatry is elaborated upon below at *** )

‘WESTERN’ RELIGION… IS NEARLY 100% IDOLATRY

Just saying that someone needs to believe in Jesus is idolatry, because just believing in Jesus, like I have said repeatedly here, doesn’t make you a good person, because being a good person is what Jesus wanted you to *do*, if we are to believe the point of the stories in the bible.

I know this will sound utterly ridiculous, but you have to *BE* a good person to actually *BE* a good person!! Just saying that you are christian, does not magically make you a good person, and you are fucking up-yourself if you think that it does.

You don’t see me going around acting like I am *better* than everyone else just because I “know” some arbitrary thing, now do you? ie. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, but you don’t see me bragging about it, seeing how it’s such an obvious “fact”, you know, like how your particular version of your god just happens to be a “fact” as well?

Because that is exactly what you are saying when you try to say that you believe in Jesus, you are saying to me that you are better than me because of one little arbitrary thing, and even if you genuinely don’t mean to say that you are better than me by professing that you believe in Christ, then that’s just too fucking bad, because that is how I hear your religious mumbo jumbo anyway.

Christianity has put itself up on a pedestal and somehow that makes you better than those who don’t believe.

This troubles me deeply.

Especially when all “christians” do is talk about how they are christian … that’s not being christian, that’s just *saying* you are christian, these are TWO different things.

And it should be especially noted here that it was the people insisting upon telling me to believe in Jesus, that were the fucktards who put me off believing in Jesus in the first place. I already believed in Jesus, but it was people taking one look at me and assuming that I didn’t believe in Jesus and telling me that I needed him, that broke the back of christianity for me. judge not lest thee be judged yourself much?

Practice what you preach or get the fuck out but at any rate I am glad they did, this way I wasn’t sucked into the whole “Jesus loves everyone” fucking bullshit that nobody *actually* follows – sure they say they follow Jesus … but when push comes to shove – they shove back when they are supposed to sit there and be non-violent.

RELIGION ITSELF IS A LIE and yet THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS? ….

The way I see religion, is that you are making it out to be such that *you* are making those bible stories out to be true, and further more, you are demanding that other people also believe that these untrue stories be considered as true as well, merely because *you* say they are true.

ahem. who the fuck are you? You are nobody – not one person on this earth can make me believe in anything – sure I might say something, to make you piss-the-fuck-off but I don’t have a problem with lying to people who are demanding that I believe in *their* lies!

That’s what the religious want when they try to convert or pass along their religion, they do not give a fuck about actually spreading the message of good will, they try to spread their religion so as to make it into an affirmation of their own faith. Which is kind of like talking to yourself in the mirror, telling yourself that you are pretty or that you are handsome.

This would be no different to me going around to people’s houses on a Saturday morning telling people that they should “Trust in The Force”. I don’t give a fuck if you believe in The Force or not, the only reason I would be telling people to believe in The Force, is to reinforce my own beliefs of believing in The Force. If I tell someone about The Force, and they accept The Force, then that’s a win for me as it props up my ego. If I tell someone about The Force and the tell me to fuck off, that *also* props up my belief in The Force because I’m so obsessed with it that anybody ragging on it, would just make me even more determined to spread the word about The Force.

Well, that’s how religious nuts come across to me. They aren’t following what Jesus taught, so clearly they only spread the word to reinforce their own beliefs. Kind of like those people that love to hear themselves talk. I’m a pretty-girl/handsome-boy – kind of like a parrot.

You may think that what you believe in is true, but this does not make it so. The bible is a story and therefore it is a *lie*, and while it may not be a lie in the sense that it was a lie told with malicious intent, but the point is that Star Wars is also a story and all stories are made up, no matter how good of a story it is.

So even if I believed Star Wars was actually real, nothing gives me the right to even begin to try and sell this story as if it were fact, because as soon as I try to make that story true, when it is not true, then that story then becomes a lie.

therefore: all religion is a lie because of the believers themselves who try to spread their religion.

Q) what do you do if you don’t want your little stories to be considered lies?

A) Don’t fucking try to sell them to me!

The logic is quite simple, and only someone who is willingly ignorant and willingly arrogant would continue to try and “spread the word” once they had been told to take it some place else.

So in the spirit of not putting forward anachronistic stories as “truth”, the religious should keep their religious views to themselves because there is bound to be somebody that doesn’t share those views, or rather, there are bound to be people who don’t share your point of view that might resent your proselytising about being a good christian while at the same time you’re also being a judgemental hypocritical prick of a bastard, not to mention that stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t – is a *lie* – and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments from that Moses guy, by the way.

The fact of the matter is that *most* people are decent enough at being human beings by default, so being religious makes no difference to being “good”, except that the non-believer doesn’t go around bragging that they believe in some intangible thing that somehow makes them “good” like the religious fucktards do incessantly.

The non-believer is more inclined to be a good person for the sake of being a good person, the non-believer is not compelled to think that doing good is going to see them rewarded with the gift of eternal life in heaven. Remember the Good Samaritan tale, where even the faithful person would not lend a hand to the injured man lying at the side of the road?

The point being is that unless you truly follow what your faith teaches, then it’s best that you not brag about being faithful. So in the case of christians, you’ve got a very difficult task ahead of yourself to actually be considered a christian, so if you are going to brag about being a christian, then I expect you to be very much Christ-like.

I personally don’t call myself christian, because:

*) I can’t refrain from judging people who demand that I accept them as being a good person, when they are clearly *not* good people
*) I don’t help out just any person in need, I am wary of people taking advantage of my generous nature
*) I don’t unconditionally love everyone, especially when people that have proven themselves untrustworthy
*) I’m only forgiving to a certain extent
*) I’m not selfless all the time
*) I don’t turn the other cheek once you have crossed the line
*) I don’t give someone my jacket as well when they demand my coat, especially if they are ungrateful
*) I refuse to love my enemies, if you are my enemy then that is for very good reason
*) I won’t let people hurt me nor let people hurt others and get away with it
*) I am not willing to die to avoid hurting others, especially if they are hurting me.

These qualities are all the opposite of what you would expect to find in Jesus, so I don’t even bother to try and live up to them, therefore: I do not pretend to be christian, because I expect christians to be like Jesus with his “love everyone” mantra.

It’s like bragging that you are smart, but then when somebody asks you a question and you don’t know the answer, you look like a dickhead and say “Oh I’m not smart in *that* field of discussion!!”

Same with bragging about being a christian, unless you are willing to die for me; willing to “love” me even if I try to kill you by nailing you to a cross; unless you forgive me for every heinous act I could possibly enact upon you, then you shouldn’t be bragging that you are a christian.

Not saying that I would do horrible things to you, but it is the principal of the concept. Being christian, means you are supposed to be Christ like. So unless you are willing to go through the same sort of crap as you might have seen in “The Passion” then you shouldn’t be bragging about how much you are like Christ by telling everyone that you are christian…

I think of christians in much the same way one would consider Padawan learners (a Jedi in training), if you are a Padawan, you don’t go around saying you are a Jedi yet and if you do, your Master will remind you that you are still a Padawan and that Jedi are humble. In the same regard, christians should not brag about being christian unless they are truly selfless and Christ-like, and if they were truly selfless and christ-like, then they would never mention that they are christian in the first place, at the very least, it should not be an unsolicited admission. ie. don’t talk about your religion unless you are asked to talk about it, because if you were christian, your christianity should show via your actions.

So if you are going to say that you are christian and tout your views, that’s fine, but one should expect to be challenged when these “christian” views are put forward, because stating something as fact, when it clearly isn’t, is a *lie*, and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments, by the way. Yes I said that already.

believe in whatever you want, but if you believe in something that says “be nice” or “don’t lie”, then I expect you to follow those rules, if you can’t do that, then keep your religion to yourself, because it is rude to pretend that you are a good person.

IDOLATRY ….. AGAIN

Believers should be aware that using things to lend credence to their religion is idolatry.

A blatant example that might not be so blatant for those not looking for it could be briefly expressed by the following phrase:

“Just because your god made the universe, that doesn’t automatically make you a good person.”

Let me elaborate upon this:

god making the universe – as grandiose a task as it is to make everything that us mere mortals know about – is a pathetically boring and mundane task for a god. Which might explain our universe if the christian/hebrew/muslim god truly did make it in six days – god had like a gazillion years to make and plan our universe – but it would seem to be a rushed job …. I saw a comic about that recently at Two Leaf Clover …

The point being is that god making the universe is just some arbitrary fact about your god – and a fact is a thing, so if you believe in god because it did this random thing, in this case, making the universe, then you are using that *thing* to prop up your beliefs. You use this thing, this idea you have that god made the universe, to help you believe in god… and many people *do* believe in god in general terms (ie. not just christians) because for their minds their is no way the universe can exist without some higher power being involved at some point in the construction process.

and you know – good for you if you want to believe in that sort of stuff – but if that is *all* you do when you believe in the christian Jesus/god and you aren’t following what your precious messiah said to *do* to get into heaven – then why call yourself a christian or a good person?

What makes you a good person, is actually *being* a good person, and if you claim that following your religion makes you a good person, then you had better show us that you are, otherwise you are bound to be called out on your bullshit.

*** If you can’t show that you are a good person, and yet you claim to follow the Jesus from the bible, then you’ve made up your own Jesus. And clearly, if you have made up your own Jesus, no matter if this Jesus is mostly based on the one from the bible, then you are committing idolatry, because if you follow a Jesus that somehow lets you be a prick some of the time, then that is not the Jesus from the bible, so you are worshiping a false Jesus.. ie. a false god… thou shalt not worship false gods much?

I encountered a very hostile “christian” recently who was nothing but rude and condescending, who would hit-on every female in the discussion forum, and yet he maintained that he was a good christian, simply because he loved his wife.

To that fucktard I would say .. “No, you stupid prick, you do not believe in the Jesus from the bible, you have made up your own version of Jesus that sees you love this one person and yet allows you to be a prick to every one else – *clearly* that is a false Jesus as the JC from the bible said to love everyone, so you are worshiping a false god, and that breaks your precious first commandment” …

I didn’t bother actually explaining this to him – as he was clearly far too stupid to understand. But many “christians” act like this. Some try to make up science based on their bible – but if you need real life confirmation of what’s in the bible, then I find your lack of faith … disturbing.

The easiest place to commit idolatry, is right there in your mind – where you can make up your own versions of Jesus that resemble the Christ from the bible, but are clearly not the Jesus from the bible, seeing how much of a prick you are to everyone who doesn’t worship the ground *you* walk on……

TO SUM MY RELIGIOUS REJECTION ALL UP

I first “rejected” religion in preference to reality when I was very young, it was something to do with dinosaurs, I’m sure, because I had read in the bible, or was told that the bible says that the world was thousands of years old – but then I read about dinosaurs – and dinosaurs weren’t just a few thousand more years older, so the age of the world as indicated by the bible isn’t just a little bit off, dinosaurs are ten thousand *times* older than the bible and its six thousand year “history” had described. In terms of percentages, the Earth’s age according to the bible, is only 0.01% of the time since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. That’s not just a little bit off. That’s a bit like thinking you can launch a rocket into space with a bottle of lighter fluid.

I remember saying to someone at a very young age when talking about dinosaurs “so, that means that the bible is wrong?” and the reply was “pretty much!” … I wonder who that was?

I also remember being in Sunday school once (maybe twice) and the Catholic Sister was telling the class some thing that I thought was utterly hilarious, but before I laughed out loud, I looked around to see who else was laughing… nobody was laughing, they were all paying attention to this bullshit that was being told. I don’t remember going to Sunday school that many times…

Later in life I tried to reconcile that whole bible thing and its six days as meaning six billion years – but I remember not being convinced that I needed to be convinced that religious gods were a fabrication by that stage.

science was just so much more interesting and fascinating than this grandiose god story that seemed to be so full of holes – like Noah’s ark – I remember reading about that in the bible – and that was the end of my bible reading because I went off on a tangent at that point and went looking for corroborating evidence about this “Ark” – I clearly remember watching a documentary “In Search Of… Noah’s Flood narrated by Leonard Nimoy” too, about the search for Noah’s ark … but that set me off on even more quests for knowledge!!!

So Noah and his Ark was just the first hole in the armor broken and I didn’t really bother with christianity/church much from there … but I did learn that “Jesus loves everyone” very early on, but that was pretty much it ….

So basically the only thing I learned was that Jesus loved everyone, so you can imagine just how ticked off that people calling themselves christian did not love everyone. In fact, I’m pretty sure at one stage that I considered christianity and the catholic church to be two different things.

At some stage in my teens I noted that there were multiple churches – and then I read that “my” Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England (Protestants) split up and that many people died in all of this split – so I figured that why would I follow something that the church itself can’t follow? I had also seen Monty Python’s Life of Brian by then so religion became cannon fodder early on as to how stupid it was. I clearly remember cursing people to hell for the most trivial of things for decades – of course I don’t mean it – so as a reflex action, I mock the concept of the often arbitrary definition of “sin” and how that supposedly results in an eternity in hell – my favourite is damn people to hell for interrupting my listening to ABBA.

Then I went through the whole I hate god thing – but god turned out to be my ego and then god died like an imaginary friend that you notice that you don’t believe in any more suddenly one day after fifteen years of not thinking about it! … And by that time my biggest dilemma with god was that I kept saying “god this” and “god that” – so I got around that by considering that every time I used the term “god” – I was referring to the universe. Which I later found out is “pantheism” (god is everything, everything is god) … which is very close to the Jedi and The Force, with its all encompassing energy field that surrounds us and binds the universe together. (our universe’s size is pretty much defined by how far energy radiating from it has traveled, an all encompassing field of energy defines our universe, and as it turns out, our universe is mostly energy)

So now I’m at the “yes religion is stupid, but so what?” stage …

So finally to summarise

When speaking to an overly religious person, who doesn’t really follow their religion in the first place (oxymoron==true), telling them some “thing” about their precious religion is irrelevant – they don’t give a crap about some mundane little part of the story – they don’t even care about the whole point of their religion!!

it’s like saying Star Wars isn’t cool, to a Star Wars “fan” that has never seen any of the movies

“I don’t care what you think about Star Wars, I still like it!” (but has never seen any of the movies)

“I don’t care what you think about Jesus, I still believe in Jesus!” (has not read the bible nor has done anything for the needy)

So belief in a christian god, is merely a crutch, to help you deal with the myriad of complexities in your life.

But that isn’t necessarily a bad thing because beliefs *can* be inspiring, but they can also be detrimental.

So if one is to believe in god, one should actually aspire to the (good) goals represented by this god, but if this god is your own personal god, then feel free to make it *all* up, but if you want to be christian, then there is already a whole bunch of stuff laid out that you need to do in order to call yourself christian …

while i may not believe in a “god”, I believe, or at least, I want to believe, that human science will result in our achieving some measure of immortality for everyone and that we will know a hell of a lot of stuff about the universe if we can stick around for another thousand years, probably enough to get us off this rock and spread across the galaxy – but none of these levels of greatness that humans may achieve will ever mean that god does not exist

how can human achievement ever out do god? if humans can defeat god somehow, then that is because humans didn’t set the bar high enough when they defined this “god” that is suddenly able to be replaced by humans.

while I may not believe that our “spirits” will ascend to some higher plain of existence, I do believe that it is possible that one day our consciousnesses will be transferable to some sort of computing device, giving us a virtual “ascension” into the “network” and as long as the network survives, you will be immortal … who knows, maybe this is how we’ll explore the galaxy, we upload a copy of ourselves to some sort of space probe and we would live our virtual lives roaming the galaxy, perhaps at first setting up communication relay stations here and there about the galaxy.

i also believe that one day, we’ll figure out quantum entanglement too, so those relay stations I just mentioned would be capable of instant communications across light years of space, so not only could you upload yourself to this space probe, you could interact instantaneously back with the “real” you, or in fact you could interact with other copies of yourself, seeing how your real body died tens of thousands of years beforehand.

so in that sense, my belief is also a crutch, because right now, everything that I believe in, is still somewhat based in fantasy. I would guess that most people have beliefs that are warm and fuzzy but not necessarily the complete truth as well.

But for me, without that belief system in place, existence would seem rather pointless, because if we’re just here to go around in fucking circles and “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it” like the religiotards would have us do, then we’re just going to end up killing ourselves whilst competing for resources and if that is the direction where we are most definitely going, then there really *is* no point in existing as your actions in the here and now really *would* be pointless without a hopeful future on the horizon.

Which incidentally, is what the online religidiots (rhymes with village-idiots) tell us anyway: “if we don’t believe in god then our existence is pointless.”

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mostly written…. 24th June 2011, mostly…. most of the blogs I have written of late end up blowing out to almost novel lengths, so I give in … you will have to suffer my long rants if you want to read as I can not be fucked trimming them down to page sized rants any more…

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some people defer to the power of prayer for reassurance that they will survive a hurricane when it is bearing down upon them, and some use prayer to face difficult moments in their lives, some even need the power of prayer just to make it through the day itself, just to help them deal with all the evil twists and turns that are thrown their way every day as if they were living in a Hollywood Horror movie!

Constantly being ready to battle the evil in the world, via prayer, would seem to be a necessity for some people, seeing how at any second someone might reveal themselves to be an evil atheist to the poor-unsuspecting-holier-than-thou-extreme-in-the-name-of-Jesus-I-pray-religious types, thus leading to much wailing and gnashing o the teeth at the mere presence of a non-believer and theeeerere’s nothing like a good old PRAYER to ward off the evil atheist and his probable liberal agenda.

so given that some “extreme” believers act like they are dealing with Satan himself herself when they encounter any non-believer or any other Satan supplied shit, (otherwise known as “life”) do they really go around living their lives from day to day as if they are in a real life and real time horror movie? I mean, it’s not like an evil atheist can be easily “spotted” – it’s not like those evil creatures walk around with bits of flesh falling off their bodies as they drag one leg behind saying “braiiiinnns … bwraynnnsss.. brayayayaiinnnsss” thus making it clear to the extreme believer who is evil and who is not.

that is, does the religious fundamentalist, who sees the work of Satan in everything (ooooo is *he* an atheist? I *beT* Satan is an aTheIST!) they don’t find to be “godly” in their silly little worlds, do they face every day with a perpetual need to walk around with a prayer ready to be chanted and with their crosses clutched to their chests, held there to ward off all the evil vampatheists and other such vile anti-christ creatures of darkness?

And paranoid extreme believers realllly need to be vigilant in their efforts to ward off the evil unbelievers, don’t they?

because they just *never* know when one of those vile non-believer creatures is going to rise up from below and crack open the ground and spew forth from the pits of hell on a wave of Satanic lava and rip the soul right out of the body of the unwary christian sucking that poor unwary christian soul back down to christian hell for all christian eternity – and yes – the christian ground would close back up again as if nothing christian happened, thus leaving behind a fresh atheist-corpse-of-a-person where, just ten christian seconds previously, there once stood a pleasantly good christian nice good Jesus christian good loving and good christian god fearing good christian christian, just minding their own good christian business, probably on their way to a good christian prayer rally or some good christian church cake raffle or something else equally as christiany christian good …

PRAYER DOES HAVE A USE AFTER ALL

prayer does have a use during the horror movie that is the extreme believers life though.

Especially useful is its ability to alleviate a sense of impending doom, as it basically gives the believer something to do when faced with some impending crisis.

The advantage to the person praying, is that if they didn’t pray, we could very well have a full blown spaz attack on our hands.

And we all know that having a spaz attack, could very well be detrimental in any crisis situation, so yelling and screaming about how “Jesus is LORD” is not a good thing to do when a split second of distraction could see everyone dead.

For example: imagine you are a believer in a car as the passenger and the car is suddenly faced with some ungodly danger, as the passenger you could sit there and freak the fuck out screaming and yelling, thus distracting the driver and killing everyone involved.

Or you could be a good little munchkin and sit there silently in prayer with your eyes closed, as you pray to god Jesus Christ Mary holy mother of god Joseph and the holy ghost and father in heaven et al; that the driver is competent enough to avoid the impending doom. By remaining calm, you do not potentially distract the driver nor ruin the horror movie for everyone else with your incessant little comments and/or screaming about how god is going to help you defeat Satan and of course, Satan just happened to manifest itself as an impending crisis for *you* personally, thus by “defating” satan with your prayers you save the entire earth. Just like you are fucking superman or some other superhero. And then repeat as necessary to describe the rest of your entire paranoid real life horror movie.

So yes, prayer does have a use, but of course, one would hope that when driving, one would *not* sit there in silent prayer in the face of some sort of danger, especially when slamming on the brakes might actually prove to be a quite prudent move at that particular moment for the person driving.

SO, ARE NON-BELIEVERS THAT FUCKING EVIL?

Does non-belief really scare the fuck out extreme believers so much that they live their life as if it were in a 24hr horror movie marathon?

I have seen quite severe reactions when people figure out that I am not christian. One guy even implied that I deliberately deceived him because I wasn’t upfront about telling him that I was not christian. Hmmm? wow. okay. It was like he was talking to me then he glanced in a mirror, thus figuring out that I was a vampire seeing how I had no reflection, or something like that.

And does prayer give the overly-christian-but-completely-not-christian “christian”, that same sort of “release” that the viewer gets in that last scene of the suspenseful horror movie cliffhanger where the heroes of the story have finally overcome every last obstacle that saw them one inch away from death for the entire movie?

eg. an extreme believer wakes up, faces the day; they go about it; they leave the house but then if it gets too ungodly, they pray to god to save them from the wickedness that prevails; and that gives them comfort to do so; then they get through their problem; amen. (repeat as necessary for the next scene in the horror movie for the day) …

just like a holly wood horror movie …. Nightmare on Jesus street 1 2 and 3 …. except with prayer, there’s a catch, at least for the “christians” because you’re not supposed to pray for *things* to happen, you know that, right?

“oh lord won’t you buy me, a Mercedes Benz” … ah no, sorry Janis. that is *idolatry*, because to ask your god for something that you don’t already have, is to presume that you are worthy of having that thing and unless you are god yourself, you don’t get to make that determination.

you’re supposed to pray in thanks for what you already have (that’s a Matthew 6 reference, for those unlearned readers), but people don’t do that, do they?

When faced with some life threatening problem they pray for the preservation of their lives – but if god decided to take your life at that particular moment, then why the hell are they praying? is it not arrogant to ask that god change its mind via your simple prayer at the last minute from this horror movie scene that is your life?

That’s very up-yourself to think that *you*, can change the mind of *god* – god’s perfect plan for everything and suddenly *you* think that you can have god alter that plan at the last second right in the middle of the live broadcast that is your horror movie life?!?!??

*sigh*

it seems that prayer gives people comfort in the face of disasters and evil-ungodly things.. well, I’m glad that those people feel some sort of comfort out of it – but why does it give comfort? What is the implication of getting that comfort? You see evil -> you pray -> you get comfort -> you carry on … but what if the “you carry on” bit doesn’t happen? …. you *die* perhaps?

so … how do you get comfort from prayer in the face of the evils in your horror movie life unless you *already* “know” that you are *already* saved. And if you don’t think you are already saved, what makes you think this last second prayer is going to make a difference to whether you are saved or not?

as a “christian”, not only do you pray at the last second when you are *supposed* to spend your whole lives doing good deeds for needy, but your prayer at the last second also makes the bold assumption that little old *you* can change the mind of god in the last few seconds before it snuffs out your life …

B U L L S H I T – Y O U R S E L F – M U C H??

this is very much akin to watching a “hollywood formula” horror movie where the hero faces adversity; the crowd identifies with the characters; the audience lives vicariously through the plight of the characters; the characters battle for their lives and the blatantly stupid guys and super cute supposedly teenaged girls with big tits and short skirts are killed off, then at the very last minute the hero of the story, will come up with a Hail Mary prayer of an idea thus saving his, her or the entire planets’ butt at the VERY last minute, thus living to face another day at the end of the movie, possibly in an even lamer sequel to that horror movie that is your life.[**]

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[**] Have you ever noticed in some movies that if the characters had just sat there and did nothing whatsoever, that the end result would still have been about the same? Well, except in the movie, all the characters went on that adventure where they all got killed, whereas had they just stayed where they were when the movie started, no-one would have got hurt?

mostly written, Sunday, 28 August 2011, mostly ….

RELIGIORANT

the god argument is over… you ALL lost

mostly written, 25th of March, 2010… mostly…

SHORT BLOG

who cares if your god exists?

anyone arguing for the existence of their god, ie. something that can’t be proven either way, has already lost said argument…

people arguing against god, mostly do that for fun to pass the time, as it’s a lot easier to *not* care about what you are arguing about when you do *not* believe in it, just as it is harder to *not* care when you *do* believe in something…

LONG BLOG

a lot of people like to put forward reasons why god might exist, eg. love, charity, the fact we are here, The Clouds (I love that band!!) and a lot of ppl, like me, do the same as to why god might not exist, eg. hate, war, death, the fact that we are here, The Clouds (I love that band!!), but it’s an argument that could never be won, so why do ppl keep arguing?

Most people are too arrogant to consider that they are wrong when it comes to god, as somehow, they *know*, out of all of the people in the *whole* universe, *they* know something that has never been categorically shown to exist… hmmm…

I do god arguing thing for fun, to entertain myself, and if somebody else is entertained or even taught something useful (believer or non-believer) then that’s a bonus, because i don’t care which way you go, as long as you know what you are getting yourself into. As long as it does no harm, to children or puppies especially, then i’ve no problem with it, but if you do believe, always remember that belief is *nothing* more than a personal opinion.

So whatever you think about it, GOD can’t be proven either way, so get over your self if you think you “know” there is, or isn’t a god.

The most prudent thing to do in relation to god, is to shut the fuck up about it if you are expecting ppl to come around to your way of thinking… Me, I just don’t care enough either way to argue the point with seriousness, as I just don’t take it seriously.

But in saying that, I will argue with someone who wants to argue, because I am the sort of person that wants to hear what the other person has to say, and take them to the extreme in explaining away their god, i can’t win an argument such as this, but by asking questions of the other person’s god, you can argue the other person into *losing* their point, which is always funny… especially when they have a tantrum over the questions you ask…

You can’t win the “is there a god?” argument, but making the other person throw tantrums means you have found a flaw in their thinking…

THE NEUTRAL POSITION

Assuming the neutral position, is like knowing that you can’t swim upstream against the current, so instead of trying, you channel your energy into something more useful, like traversing the river from side to side, and as perilous as it can be sometimes, getting to the other side without getting washed downstream is possible, and is a win in my books.

People who argue for what can’t be proven either way, are demanding that you accept their opinion, they have no proof, they *never* will, so they *expect* you to take their word for it!

screw that! I get insulted by these people when they want me to “just” convert to their lies, as it may be true to them in their hearts, but it doesn’t make it true to me, and people who do are arrogant and selfish to think that their opinion counts more than mine.

People that demand that you believe the same as them, are stuck in that river that you can easily cross, and the river current is sweeping them along with it.

the sad bit is that the river bed that the current is following, is being created on the fly by themselves, i doubt these people are aware of this.

And this is all well and good if u stay in the middle of the flow, and a lot of people live their whole lives without finding they are telling themselves lies, but every now and then, they *will* hit the sides or get caught on a rock and while they are stuck there they will notice that the whole river they’ve been flowing along with, is just an illusion and that reality is far worse than the little stream / river / waterfall that is their life; and that scares them, which is why they jumped into the stream in the first place… because of their FEAR of the immenseness of the universe, and that they are just specks of dust on a speck of dust, and no-one wants to feel “small”, people WANT a connection to something bigger.

Sad as it is, everyone does have a connection to something bigger *already*, it’s called Planet Earth, and if you want to take being connected to something bigger further, *energy* is everywhere in the universe, there is energy in your body, there is energy in space, there is energy everywhere, therefore, by *default* you *are* connected to a bigger entity. So worship the universe if you want to worship something bigger than you.

But believers, because they get used to their regular comfy wet and warm ride, what happens when they hit a snag and reality comes crashing down, is that they will see a great big blank desert of reality around them.. empty… but at least there are millions of stars above you to reach towards.

GOD CAN NOT BE DIS-PROVEN OR PROVEN *EVER*

even if there had been a billion years of human technological advances that would see us be able to reach the very edge of the universe, even if we could coax the entire Andromeda galaxy into a path such that it won’t run into us in a billion years, I still can’t see how god could be proven either way..

But these people, swept up and away by the religious current, take any affront to their god as upsetting because it adds extra weight to their comfy journey downstream, and too much weight, will see them sink to the bottom and every person who frets about their god existing, even slightly, is bound to have some sort of “snapping” point where something is going to confront them with something that will fulfil their worst fear that god doesn’t exist, but that’s okay, they can always just move the goal post back, or change the rules in some way, after a temper tantrum and some mental gymnastics, of course.

but let’s just end that argument right here and now.

There is just no way *Ever* to prove or disprove god’s existence – even if we could step outside our *dimension* somehow, or something as mundane as go back in time, there is still just no way the argument can be won, either in the positive or the negative!

are the god defenders worried that proof of god will be found? and that god is not quite what they imagined? or that god is dead?

maybe this is what all the religious bullshit is about, that once we stopped fretting over what doesn’t really matter, we would be mature enough to leave the planet? …. *sigh*

YOU CAN NOT WIN OUTRIGHT, BUT YOU *CAN* LOSE

If you went back and saw the big bang happen, if you were able to fast forward through the entire history of earth such you could *watch* the evolution of man – you would *still* have no proof of god either way, and humans being able to do such incredible things, doesn’t mean god is displaced!

How fucking stupid is that? you have a god that can do anything, and yet you have people worried that we humans are able to be doing “godly” things, I’m sorry, but if humans can out do your god, then you *REALLY* need to have a sit down and think about what your god is about because it really does sound like you did NOT think about it, you only assumed god could do the things that *You* couldn’t do.

sheeesh!

IT’S YOU! IT’S ALL YOU!!!

But you can always lose an argument that can’t be won, in fact, technically speaking, just being *in* an argument that can’t be won, means you have already lost that argument, especially when you were expecting a result in your favour!

The trick is not to take sides at all in such a pointless argument, and by not taking a side, you can *not* lose, because when the other person tries and fails to win the argument, it means that the neutral position wins, by default.

the bible/qur’an/whatever has been written, it is finished. People claim that the bible can be relevant and adapt to today’s situations, bullshit, it is not scripture that adapts, it’s *you* that is making it adapt.

It’s *you* – it’s ALL *you* – this whole time, it was all you.

Jesus / Moses / Muhammad, have all come and gone, real or not, whatever they were going to say, has been said. Jesus for instance, had a message that was fairly simple, but some christians insist on saying the bible is complicated and that you need to study it, at length, in order to “get” it…

I sometimes get the impression that bibliomaniacal persons throw such tantrums and demand such things so that they can claim exclusivity over it!!

ie. if you demand that i do something i am not interested in, I will most likely reject it out of spite to annoy you for imposing this opinion of yours upon me, and that applies no *matter* what it you are bullshitting about. eg. Unless you’ve read the bible hundreds of times (such that you’ve made it true), then you should not be reading it at all, therefore any person who has read the bible or has heard via word of mouth the simple message of love everyone that Jesus gave, does not have the right to claim to follow the teachings of Jesus because they don’t follow the *whole* bible regardless of the fact that these ppl pick and choose bullshit from it all the time *anyway*.

fine, they want us to convert, okay fine, but then when we do attempt to read their dribble to find what it is that is so fucking fantastical, and then we find holes in it, we are then told – “oh you *just* need to believe” in order to understand!!

Oh! here we go again…. *rolls*eyes*

NO! WE DO NOT **JUST** NEED TO BELIEVE IN YOUR BULLSHIT TO BELIEVE IN YOUR BULLSHIT! SHEESH! BROKEN RECORD MUCH?

AN AMALGAMATED GLOBAL SOCIETY

if some remarkably brilliant lost chapter/book of the bible is found in the future (if one hasn’t been found already), it would be rejected based upon it’s content if it were to upset the status quo …

if this newly discovered book fitted in with the rest of the bible, it would make no difference to the overall message *anyway*, now would it? so it’s addition would make no difference, right!?!?! The point is, the bible won’t be changed, *ever*, there is too much “vested” interest in the status quo…

therefore, the bible is over, it’s not going to grow with us… people clinging to the bible remind me of Linus from Peanuts, with his dirty security blanket he takes everywhere with him… it’s dirty, it’s ikky, it smells, but he still takes it everywhere, coz it makes him feel warm and fuzzy because that’s what he is familiar with.

the same thing applies to any religion, probably more so for some.

in the amalgamated global culture we are hopefully moving towards with heaps of different people coming together from all walks of life, there is no point confining your “World” view to one philosophy (eg. the bible/koran/torah/blah blah blah) any more.

how can you expect to get along with people if they don’t share the same values from your “world view” most of which have nothing to do with everyday life? … one philosophy obviously doesn’t cut it – not any more – one “world” view that doesn’t actually cater to the entire world, is arrogant, it’s separatist, bigoted, and it is an example of closed mindedness in it’s most abundant…

that’s like the World Series in baseball, how many countries play in that? it’s like, two countries isn’t it? how is that a “world” series? to call this sport a “world series” is selfish, as it’s implying that the rest of the world isn’t good enough to play baseball, and watch all the americans jumping up and down after reading that paragraph, that’s exactly what i am talking about. SELFISHNESS

that is what religion and belief in god is all about, it’s about being SELFISH in the notion that YOU are smarter than everyone else coz *YOU* have the correct belief system, and unlike a game of baseball, these religious notions of one group being better than the rest, is keeping people from different walks of life apart.

There is no point in re-reading the word of your god over and over, because obviously if there is a god and we don’t know which group has *the* religion, isn’t it best to grab the best things from every religion and move on without dwelling over any of the negativity associated with these moral “guides” that don’t fit in with a global society?

This applies to the Bible, the Qu’ran and any other fantasy fiction supernatural holy scripture story that doesn’t (or can’t or won’t) adapt to a changing society.

so as to the argument of god existing?

there is a god? well so what? ……

there is no god? again, so what?

who cares? what difference does it make if god exists or not??

are you going to change who you are just because a god exists or doesn’t exist?

if you lose your faith, would you stop being a “good” person?

well…. would you?

ARE YOU THAT FICKLE, THAT SOMETHING, THAT CAN NOT BE PROVEN EITHER WAY, IS THE ENTIRE BASIS OF THE MORAL CHARACTER OF YOUR EXISTENCE????

having a god as your moral guide-rail would seem to be a crutch, because if you suddenly lost this god and went off the track, would you then give yourself a license to run amok, seeing how god was the only thing that made you “good”???

well…. would you?

if that’s you, and you claim that you would be lost with out god/Jesus/allah/etc, then please, *please*, retain your belief system.. because you are so fucked in the head that the damage has been done already, and you would only make things worse by giving away your belief system, so you might as well stick to your brain washing…

Muslims stone people to death for disgracing their families in the eyes of god, eg. if a muslim woman/girl admits to being raped without having four male muslim witnesses to back up her story, *she* has committed adultery for admitting to the rape… she is then punished for her “crime” and I’ve read of several “mercy” killings where the daughter is killed by the father or brother in order to restore “honour” to the family, in Islamic countries, these people are given *lighter* punishments…. imagine what barbarism they would come up with if Admiral Allah Ackbar wasn’t keeping them in line? IT’S A TRAP!!!!

Imagine those christians who want to bomb Iran (ie. christians for israel), what if they suddenly stopped believing?? would they then go nuts and have whatever military machine they can round up, and go and bomb the middle east back to the bronze age?

If u *need* god to be “good” yourself, then you have a really fucking pathetic idea of what is “good”, meaning that the *only* rational and prudent thinking about god, is to not take any side at all, because no-one knows shit about god, so the only way to win, is to not argue at all, or to at least keep in mind that when you argue the notion that god does or doesn’t exist, that “winning” is not something you should try to do, because it’s never going to be possible to win that argument.

the free will aspect of religion, is quite an interesting one, and to me, shows the biggest flaw in the whole god story, at least the christian/judeo/islameo one

god supposedly gave us free will, right?

so “in the beginning” it’s possible that by giving us free will, god may have just given up the ability to interfere with our lives, let’s just say, effectively a “we are on our own” sort of deal, so we get to make our own choices and make our way into heaven or not, a “test”, as that is the apparent goal of being in a religion, to get to “heaven” in the afterlife at least in the christian story, we need to earn it to get in, by being good ppl… apparently

so let’s cut god some slack at first as god may just know every trillion possible things we might do, but it isn’t sure what we will actually do… so, god, could only guess that we would screw up but hope for the best.. so god makes Adam and Eve, and the evidence of what we do with “free will” starts to accumulate

but Adam and Eve screwed up, Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and Adam went and ate from it too, after being told not to, free will and such.. so thus far 100% of god’s “perfect” creation have stuffed up.. not looking so perfect now, so god punishes these two for screwing up, but you know, let’s cut god a little bit more slack, because now god knows to expect us to screw up, and punishing us was designed to make us behave…

so then Adam and Eve have a couple of kids, Cain and Abel, and eventually Cain goes and kills Abel.. #fail .. so 75% of god’s first four “perfect” creations stuff up, and the other 25% was murdered..

god is off to such a fantastic start, wasn’t it?

so given the extreme failure rate of god’s “free will” experiment in the first four attempts, instead of interfering and giving Adam and Eve and Cain a set of commandments to live their lives by … “thou shalt not murder” would have been a good one for Cain, but no, god doesn’t do anything.. oh he puts a mark on Cain’s head, to warn the *other* people he might encounter.. ahem… what other people? where did the other ppl come from again? anyhooo

so then we run amok for another 1000yrs or so, mating with demons and giants and such, but then god suddenly decides that it needs to eliminate the earth of “evil” because apparently it exists because we are half demons or something, and the blood line needs to be restored to perfect again or something like that … you know, I’m not sure what evil is but Cain having sex with his mother is rather evil i think, because just who did Cain marry anyway? but anyhooo

so god wipes out every creature on earth except for two of every creature to repopulate the earth (i won’t mention inbreeding again or ask how the Kangaroos and Koalas got to Australia from Mt Frikking Ararat, either)

god gave us free will? if this is true, the “great flood” is testament to the fact that god fucked up, there is no polite way to say it.. if we had free will, then god killing everyone on earth, well, doesn’t that mean god forfeited our “free will”, god made a mistake by allowing evil to exist, god thought it was clever and knew all, perhaps god did know everything, but let us become evil anyway.. perhaps god let it’s *ego*, in arrogance, convince itself it could do this whole universe thing just as well as all the other gods do in their universes …

but … what does god do after the flood? nothing! why didn’t god give some commandments over to Noah? that way “everyone on earth” would have had the opportunity to learn at least some desert morals ..

but no, god didn’t, god let us descend into blasphemy and debauchery *again*, knowing full well that there was a very good chance we would anyway, but perhaps god told it’s ego again in pride, that “that evil thing won’t happen again!!!” but then after a 1000yrs or so of that, god gets jack of it and sends Moses down the Nile, to then lead the Israelites into and out of the desert or something like that, along the way picking up the 10 commandments, finally we get moral instructions..

so god, gave us free will, but after 3000yrs of that, god suddenly and finally finds a clue, and gets the idea that we need guidance… derrrr

*that* should have been very obvious to god after the first four ppl, Adam / Eve / Cain / Abel .. but no, god thought he’d hang back and hope (more arrogance and pride?) that we’d get better at this whole “life” thing, but after all that time of seeing our failures, like when every person at that very nanosecond when we make a wrong decision, god goes “NOOOO!!!! don’t do that!!.. awwwwww…. he went and *did* that!” as if god is watching us like we do when we watch some sort of dramatic TV show…

so god gave us some hints with the ten commandments… “free will” to do things other than these ten things.. but how did that ten commandments thing go anyway? not very well, seeing how god sent Jesus! this time dumbing it down to just *two* commandments, and how did that go? by the 500s the thousand years of intellectual vacuum was well under way with the dark ages, thanks god

so this perfect jealous god keeps making stuff ups this entire time, with everyone on earth pay for that mistake at one stage!?!? i don’t think so, if god was “perfect”, as is written, then god would not have changed tactics every thousand years or so … a perfect god would be able to move two molecules of hydrogen together to set off a chain reaction and have everything perfect align itself exactly how god imagined it a trillion trillion years later …

oh.. but of course, it’s all easily explained by us being the masters of our *own* destinies and that god is something we just made up to *blame* and *thank* when we have no idea what else to do, so this god being, is “just a story” all made up by man, because if god was perfect, we would be none the wiser about it, but this god ppl speak about *is* flawed, which points the finger right back at it’s flawed creator… us!

the most popular book on earth “the bible”, is flawed right from it’s first page … in the beginning god makes the light, but then a couple of days later … god makes the sun … which makes the light …

^_^

TELLY TUBBY
EVIL PLANS

EVIL PLAN

Congratulations on being the creator of a new Evil Plan ™!

Your objective is simple: World Domination.

Your motive is a little bit more complex: Evil – It’s my nature

Stage One

To begin your plan, you must first traumatize a chosen one. This will cause the world to sense a grave disturbance in the force, terrified by your arrival. Who is this sadistic fiend? Where did they come from? And why do they look so good as a dark gunslinger?

Stage Two

Next, you must destroy united nations. This will all be done from a space station, a mysterious place of unrivaled dark glory. Upon seeing this, the world will fall into catatonic trances, as countless hordes of animal minions (rats, birds, etc.) hasten to do your every bidding.

Stage Three

Finally, you must tauntingly wave your secret death ray, bringing about pain, suffering, the usual. Your name shall become synonymous with metal, and no man will ever again dare sneer cruelly at your disfigured face. Everyone will bow before your cunning intelligence, and the world will have no choice but to grant you three maidens of virtue true.

You Are 76% Evil

You are very evil. And you’re too evil to care. Those who love you probably also fear you. A lot.

How Evil Are You?

666 to the power of 666

271 541 759 288 712 855 826 087 455 170 021 786 027 838 521 065 016 987 178 223 004 696 578 367 534 784 603 688 013 417 861 287 317 081 040 369 394 618 136 925 376 390 776 734 814 142 359 269 954 981 438 585 309 058 005 792 575 777 286 547 766 974 032 030 622 709 400 636 076 630 337 695 472 357 344 193 883 258 618 859 601 636 747 029 392 705 682 480 231 361 672 383 305 593 666 601 292 142 319 787 714 400 226 324 514 478 109 346 054 646 257 736 974 663 071 867 802 948 304 106 037 331 337 648 245 560 659 985 653 200 111 117 423 345 076 820 028 856 039 271 697 478 224 170 953 365 430 292 002 540 313 209 626 985 629 026 842 226 720 098 365 723 596 644 589 192 169 647 865 964 771 608 482 657 447 815 673 166 354 263 425 761 875 056 075 351 412 658 924 918 167 675 222 004 537 186 685 221 728 745 459 415 025 183 608 088 786 527 610 184 833 513 790 116 757 654 287 910 149 888 366 373 032 818 151 480 800 952 809 005 528 561 125 366 155 648 578 375 191 671 516 389 923 637 068 612 545 908 928 591 509 856 524 061 271 778 433 035 659 907 099 937 099 027 157 651 275 866 007 333 020 305 683 709 128 393 004 786 162 164 158 503 634 595 479 326 165 593 895 852 888 778 701 548 580 946 457 862 112 993 933 286 295 883 107 151 254 097 505 408 450 243 425 177 831 253 342 079 786 634 358 573 748 818 965 808 816 613 570 280 697 021 834 844 832 652 027 344 442 640 175 038 787 842 736 503 395 375 213 097 324 598 270 999 348 133 857 903 750 526 167 553 966 478 796 074 667 482 527 451 958 013 385 703 152 678 559 571 864 116 226 566 032 365 908 052 857 936 209 172 690 002 387 460 244 899 885 396 862 691 793 991 738 773 357 078 062 613 492 707 085 820 369 352 745 180 327 438 422 889 555 512 909 451 485 998 615 969 501 470 146 470 402 649 889 349 212 006 778 573 387 292 851 099 036 349 527 469 520 676 832 881 968 856 724 904 460 084 994 793 476 708 042 987 577 163 193 492 415 961 223 417 659 787 157 202 545 333 783 334 777 830 218 014 905 077 675 699 766 649 698 676 892 834 587 204 825 046 787 698 439 067 298 022 983 708 693 783 338 395 078 457 245 428 904 542 657 506 873 425 865 596 233 432 542 160 135 568 886 423 752 229 229 562 648 133 533 088 569 487 318 295 430 287 726 946 641 649 809 356 760 113 688 980 954 104 973 336 888 392 785 547 924 780 056 268 147 894 207 107 543 052 594 542 403 021 659 363 655 062 233 931 413 319 416 693 234 844 064 515 946 449 947 016 545 969 427 094 539 246 444 208 735 559 647 539 174 640 853 111 520 180 776 757 872 042 024 272 504 000 286 839 563 050 880 598 016

or more briefly, about 2.71 x 10 to the power of 1880

Disclaimer: if you read the number, you will release Satan.. oh, maybe I should have put that before the number?

ps. i know what you are thinking, and no… there was no point…. to this

ban the bible!!

what happens when someone publishes a book and people go on some sort of rampage after reading this book?

what happens when somebody makes a speech that breeds and/or encourages hatred or some sort of bigotry?

what would happen, if say, I wrote a book and a bunch of people got the idea to go around killing, raping, invading countries, being violent in general, beating up minorities or some other terrible thing like that – because they read a book that *I* wrote?!?

would I be accountable somehow? yes? no? sort of? not sure? don’t give a rat’s?

I’m not sure of the law where you are, I’m not even sure of the law here, but I’d expect that I’d be accountable *somehow*, even if the public’s reaction was unintentionally provoked on my part.

what if this book became popular long after I was gone? what would happen then? am I still accountable, posthumously? would, or *should* someone still be responsible?

The point being, is that such a book would be removed from circulation altogether, or it would be declared an “adults only” type book, restricted to being viewed or purchased by minors or it would have a disclaimer attached to the front, something like

“This book is not supposed to cause violence towards your fellow human. The author is not responsible if you decide to kill anybody after reading this book.”

So… here’s the question…

why hasn’t the bible been banned? why doesn’t it even have a disclaimer?

The bible *should* have a disclaimer on the front and it should point out all the things that are dubious and hypocritical and morally vague or conflicting with today’s laws.

So *before* anyone goes ahead and reads the bible, they might want to consider exactly what this publication is advocating, just in case they read the bible and then go around hating gays or something lame like that not long they had finished reading the bible..

and why not?

i’ve heard stories of people hacking their own hands off … i bet you have too…. what was their excuse for hacking their hands off? because the *BIBLE* said to do it!

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
–KJV

and I have heard of stories that claimed people have plucked their *own* eyes out

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Matthew 18 – King James Version.” Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

the bible is responsible for so much hatred, “oh the bible says gays are an abomination”

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Dictionary and Word Search for ‘abomination’ in the KJV”. Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

“oh the bible says incest is OK” “oh the bible condones slavery” “oh the bible this” “oh the bible that” bible blah dee fucking blakkedy blah blah bah bah… sorry if i can’t be bothered to quote all the relevant verses of rubbish from the bible….

oh yes, i hear what some of you are saying, “it’s the people that read the bible and take it too seriously/literally that are the problem!!!” something like that, hey?

hello! that’s my fucking point!

oh, and perhaps the apologists would say that if it wasn’t the bible that influenced them, then they would have found some other way to justify their crappy attitude to the world.

well, I concede, sure that’s probably right, as we all know that anybody from any walk of life can flip out and go on the rampage, or go “postal” as it’s been commonly termed.

but what else is there that has really screwed up the minds of so many? what other book or film or individual has been the source of so much division in the world?

And yet the bible remains unbanned – especially in a society that often shows that it still has ultra-prudish people with their objections to seemingly innocuous things – eg. if you don’t like seeing women in skimpy bikinis, then what the fuck are you doing at the beach in the middle of the summer? if you don’t like profanity, then why are you watching comedians that are more than well known to have a potty mouth?

And to top off the hypocrisy, I seriously doubt you could find two christians that could interpret everything in the bible in the same way anyway. christians talk about “absolutes” – but it’s very likely that very few of these born again christians would interpret the whole bible even vaguely in the same way, let alone *exactly* the same way, let alone interpret it *correctly* ..

I suspect this is why Catholics still make up 51% of the global christian population, because as far as I remember or understand, Catholics are told how to interpret the bible by their priests. If they have questions, the Catholic consults their priest! So there’s a reduced amount of this making up your own minds about what the bible is supposed to mean when you are a Catholic.

And you know, I thought that was a bad thing for quite a while, but, isn’t it better that everyone get it wrong the *same* way, than everyone getting it wrong completely differently? that’s chaos commonly referred to as “born again christianity!”

but shhhssssh! don’t tell the christians, but that’s what’s killing christianity, every one making up their own interpretations of the bible when they should be talking to someone who has actually studied the bible…

So… what other thing or person espousing notions of love and togetherness and peace for all mankind, somehow also gets some people all riled up enough to be able to justify hating other religions and races and differences of opinion or whatever else bigoted shit so openly and so proudly?

i can’t think of anything else? how about, the Qu’ran? The Satanic Verses? Mien Kampf? Those Danish Mohammed cartoons? The original Stars Wars trilogy or the prequel trilogy? Picard or Kirk? Old Battlestar Galactica versus the new Battlestar Galactica? ???

I can’t think of anything, can you?

so why doesn’t one of the greatest causes of violent conflict and piss poor attitudes to people across the entire world, get taken off the shelf, permanently?

It should be illegal to try and ‘offer’ your religion to others. Spreading the word should be a crime, a hate crime at that.

At the very least, the bible should be considered an “adults only” bit of literature, it should have the book equivalent of an “R” rating. Do books even have ratings?

Seriously, what child can make sense of all the nuances of the bible?

Heaven, hell, good, bad. It’s funny but the first conceptualisation I remember about evil, came from the bible. Maybe if I wasn’t exposed to the bible at all I wouldn’t have spent ten years worrying that I would offend god and that I was being evil or bad or what the fuck ever it was I would dwell over that I can’t remember now, but being struck down where I stood by god was one of the thoughts I would often have – and I didn’t even fucking believe in it!

How about the age of consent be used in regards as to when a young person is suitably aged to be exposed to the bible, or religion in general for that matter? Maybe, voting age is a better idea?

because aren’t you screwing up the minds of children with unneeded worries when you tell them about heaven and hell?

How is creating unnecessary anxiety in a child, not abusive on *some* level? The child could go on to have anxiety problems their whole life, all thanks to some body telling this child “You need to believe in Jesus or you’re going to hell!”… I wish that was a joke, but it’s not.

If you’re a parent and you need to use biblical fear to keep your child in line, are you not deferring your ability as a parent to people of the bronze age?

People should realise that a child will not concern themselves with the positive aspects of the bible, or any religion for that matter, they will simply dwell in fear over the negative aspects.

A child might think, “Who cares if Jesus loves me? WHAT IF I do something wrong, I’m going to burn in hell for ever and ever and that’s a very long time and it’s going to really hurt, much more than a tooth ache by the sound of it!!”

Apparently taking note of the negatives in our life is written into our genes, which makes sense actually.

A cute bunny rabbit is to your left, and a snake is to your right, which one are *YOU* going to pay attention to?

In fact, I bet some of us would move toward the bunny and pick it up to protect it from the snake! Some of you might even hide behind the bunny for protection.

We take more note of the bad or dangerous things in life so that we can avoid them, we even take note of the potential of things to be dangerous.

But seeing how hell is just a aspect of something based on somebody’s faith, then you are merely creating unnecessary anxiety in the child’s life, that’s what the child will dwell over. That’s how *I* remember it.

That’s cruel isn’t it? You are telling the child to fear something that doesn’t exist in this world, this is *unnecessary*, it should be avoided, should it not?

*Some* kids become so fearful of hell, they don’t confront their fears and/or ask questions, they displace their fears with the notion that praising Jesus fiercely and often, will keep them from going to hell.

It’s almost like if those kids keep on praising Jesus all the time, they can’t ever sin because *all* they do is praise Jesus!

This is probably the sort of kid that shoots up a school yard of “sinners” all the while saying “The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want” and that “shadow of the valley of death” bit over and over again…. I’m sure I saw that in a TV show.. or was that a re-enactment of something real? it’s not funny either way

Psalm 23
(1) The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. (2) He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. (3) He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. (4) Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. (5) Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. (6) Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
–KJV

Blue Letter Bible. “Psalm 23 – King James Version.” Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2009. 3 Apr 2009.

These children are indoctrinated into believing christianity, but christianity *created* “hell” in the first place, and then offered it’s remedy, Jesus.

Which for my mind, is a bit like getting cancer on purpose to be in a “club” and then getting a miracle cancer cure which only this “club” can provide. Which then doesn’t cure everyone anyway, and actually makes some people worse.

So, yes, burn it, ban it, erase it…

Getting your morals out of the bible is akin to teaching your kids about life by sitting them in front of commercial TV for hours on end.

Oh FUCK! I just realised something! If the bible gets banned, it may just fucking “MARTYR” it somehow and all those people who never heard of the bible and all those people who never actually *read* the bible might just be compelled to buy a copy and then they would open it up and start reading it and find out exactly what is in there and…. oh… never mind… carry on as before. burn the bible. ban it. launch it into orbit

“I don’t care what they may say, Jesus is just alright with me, Jesus is just alright oh yeah!!”
–Doobie Brothers

mostly written 22 Nov 2008… mostly… oh why fight it… all i seem to do is mock religion, yes, i have plenty of free time on my hands.. but i might as well get it out my system… so let the religio-bashing continue unabated… oh, it just might take quite a while before these “god hating” “evil” blogs dry up…