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religion won’t die if you keep using petty arguments against it…   Leave a comment

this could probably use a re-write, but i’m too lazy… mostly written 17/7/2013, mostly…

religion would die a lot quicker if the people rallying against it would stop focusing on all the petty, stupid, bad and just plain silly bullshit that forms the majority of religions, especially christianity.

The followers of religion simply don’t give a fuck about all the petty and stupid stuff that forms part of their religion, they don’t give a fuck if it’s right or if it’s wrong, they just want you to believe it and it doesn’t matter to them that it is or isn’t correct!

So just what makes people think that they can change somebody else’s mind about something they love by ragging on the stupid bits of it? And yes people do love their religion, it doesn’t matter that it hurts them or keeps them dumb, they *love* their fucking weird-arse stories anyway and I’m no different, I just don’t consider the weird arse stories I love to be a fucking religion!

It’s like pointing out an insignificant flaw in someone’s favourite movie and expecting that they will never watch that movie again because it was *you* that pointed out that flaw… big fucking deal and seriously, just how up-yourself are you to think that *you* can get somebody to stop loving something because of some trivial aspect of it that you’ve pointed out?

As an example: the Bible and its story of the “Great Flood” … ahem… So-fucking-what if the world could not possibly recover after Noah’s Flood in less than a few thousands years, seeing how nearly all photosynthesis across the entire globe was suspended for a year because the earth was allegedly covered in kilometres of water!

So-f-u-c-k-i-n-g-what!?!?!! Noah and the Ark is a *story*..

That Ark story was totally full of shit but it was a totally full of shit good story. I liked it, it’s more than likely that the totally unbelievable story of Noah and his Ark that was what made me realise religion was a piece of shit in the first place.

People just don’t give a fuck about your opinion about the things they like/love that some busy-body like yourself thinks is stupid.

Try and tell a Star Wars fan about one single flaw in the Star Wars saga or a dozen flaws in Star Trek to a “Trekkie” or hundreds of flaws to a Doctor Who fan who has watched and noted those very flaws in the dozens of times that that fan has watched all of those episodes, in fact, that particular fan of Doctor Who is probably *where* you got your list of Doctor Who flaws in the first place.

So have I made my point yet? Ragging on what people love is NOT the way to get them to stop loving that thing, in fact, if you rag on something a person likes, then they are just as likely to clutch even harder to that thing and like it even more, just to spite you.

eg. if somebody ragged on Doctor Who, I’d just say “fuck you!!” and then go have a Doctor Who marathon in honour of the dipshit fucktard who just tried to rag on Doctor Who.

Sooooo.. what is the solution?

Instead, the anti-religionist should focus on the minuscule amount of good stuff in religion that the religious don’t give a flying fuck about either…

i mean, seriously, how can anybody in the overly selfish Western society seriously claim to be christian?

seriously? come on! really? hmmmm… I seriously doubt it ….

The purpose of following christinsanity is that you get to have eternal life in heaven if you’re a “good” person, right?

But what a lot of people conveniently forget is that this Jesus character apparently said that to be a “good” person, you have to actually *do* good deeds without any thought for reward in order to get into heaven…

From the bible itself (and please, read the whole chapters before saying that they are out of context, I fucking did)

Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Are christians willing to sell off all their stuff and then give up all that cash they’ve just made after selling all their shiny things (probably for way less than they bought them) and give that money to the poor?

Well?? and please, don’t lie, it’s not very fucking christ-like…

This is exactly why I don’t follow christianity as it would be a lie for me to think that I was getting into heaven unless I willingly sold my things and gave that cash to poor people in need and then willingly chose to live in near poverty…..

fuck that!! I’m not giving away all my stuff just so some strangers can eat, I like my stuff too much to go and do something like that.

I seriously doubt that there are christians who would give away all their stuff and then give that money to the needy. It’s just not practical to give away all your money, but that is exactly what that Jesus guy said to do, so if you aren’t doing that, then you can fuck-off with this fantasy of getting into a christian heaven because you aren’t getting past those pearly gates.

Oh what’s that? You *do* give away some money to the needy? *some*?? … No… that’s not how it works.. there are still needy people in this world in spite of you giving a little bit away, so as it stands, good little christian person, you have NOT given away *enough* of your possessions to be calling yourself christian because there are still needy people.

Seems to me that most christians are getting a free ride on the backs of other christians who actually *are* doing Christ-like things, who actually *are* donating significant amounts of money to the needy. No, that’s not how it works either. *YOU* *yourself* have to do good deeds, not lay claim to the good deeds of other christians just because you deem yourself to be a christian as well.

How much is enough then? 10% … Half? How much then? hmmm… well? If the richest ten percent of christians (about 100 million people) gave up 10% of their income, people in need across the world would be a thing of the past…

So in summary, the true way to destroy religion is to berate religious folk for not actually following what their precious religion supposedly taught them to do.

ie. Jesus said to love everyone, so anyone claiming to be christian that shows even one iota of bigotry or intolerance or hatred towards anyone at all, is not a christian. People opposing religion should focus on the greatest hypocritical aspect of religion: The fact that little to no-one is actually following it and those who are actually following it are unlikely to be in your face arguing with you about the trivial and alleged aspects of their religion so pretty much *Every* argument against religion is already won, unless of you like to argue about stupid stories that somebody made up thousands of years ago?

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Posted 17 July, 2013 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, Religion Sux Arse

atheism… around and around in circles….   Leave a comment

too often i see non-believers pointing out the stupidity of religion, especially christianity, what with its biblically tall stories of talking donkeys, global floods, humanity descending from only two people, dudes walking on water, raising the dead etc etc etc….

i find this disappointing, because so fucking what if christianity is full of improbable tales? What difference does it make if christianity is an utter joke? Telling christians their religion is stupid is no different to telling someone that “Star Trek: The Next Generation” is stupid. So what if it is? As long as the person gets good things out of it, then so what?

the point of the bible is not in the particulars of its stupid stories anyway, those details describing the stupidity of christianity are irrelevant; the point of the bible and indeed, the point of *christianity* and the point of being a frikking christian in the first place is that everyone is to love one another, without exception.

The whole thing was summed up in the two commandments of Jesus, not the fucking TEN commandments. I know TEN sounds far more frikking impressive than TWO but the two commandments cover the TEN because the second commandment can be regarded as a generic guiding sort of commandment.

That is to say if you apply the “Love thy neighbour as you would have them love you.” commandment to the TEN commandments you get things like, “don’t steal… if you don’t want people to steal from you”, “don’t lie… if you don’t want to be lied to” and so on, “don’t covet someone’s stuff… if you don’t want them to covet your stuff” etc etc etc…

So instead of berating christians for believing in something that has stupid stories as part of its overall “philosophy”, berate them for *not* actually following the point of what those fucking stories in this bible of theirs were allegedly supposed to teach them!

Show me one person who actually does love everyone.

Go on. Here is a list of things to help you decide what excludes you from loving *everyone*.

** If you own a gun with the intention of defending yourself, then you do not love everyone because you are willing to *shoot* and possibly *kill* a person in order to defend yourself. That’s not loving everyone therefore you are not a christian.

** If you support war; the death penalty; assassinations; torture; They aren’t examples of loving everyone therefore you are not christian.

** If you are racist, bigoted, misogynistic, rude, mean, bullish, cruel, then you can hardly claim to love everyone and therefore you are not christian.

** If someone rapes your child and you hit that person, then you do not love that rapist. You do not love *everyone* and therefore you are NOT christian.

** If someone slaughters your whole family, would you hate them or love them for it?

See what I mean? How can anybody love every single person in this world without exception?

And *yes*, this is what Jesus taught. The prime example of this was when he was being tortured and was then crucified. He was supposedly the son of god and if we allow for the story told as told by the narrative of the bible to be true, he gave proof of this by performing all those charitable miracles like healing the sick, feeding the poor etc; In other words: Jesus could have stopped his torment at any time but he chose to NOT fight back because to fight back would involve hurting someone and hurting someone, anyone at all, is NOT loving everyone.

That is the point of christianity. Do no harm and love everyone, no matter what the fuck they do to you or the people you love, even if they try to kill you or the people you love.

“Forgive them father, for they know not what they do” … that is what somebody purporting to be christian should say whenever they are being persecuted or hurt or killed.

Them’s the rules. What’s that? You don’t like them? Then stop fucking pretending to be a christian.

It’s that fucking simple.

The first three hundred years of christianity is littered with stories of martyrs who were actually following Jesus’ teachings. There are stories of people with gouged out eyes, deliberately amputated hands, stonings, burnings at the stake, crucifixions etc etc etc. Look up the “Age Of Martyrs” if you want more details, I won’t bore you with historical fact.

But no-one follows the rules as set down by Jesus these days because he set the bar so fucking high that the vast majority of present day christians don’t even realise that they are nowhere near to adhering to the point of JC’s alleged teachings …

The point here is that christians don’t care about the fucking bullshit stories in their bible because they don’t even care to follow the fucking “love everyone” point/commandment of their precious christianity either – and I don’t have a problem with that, everyone has the right to defend themselves, but christians are openly contradicting their Messiah and that is a fucking lie and if you walk around telling lies, then you are a piece of shit lying cunt.

Sorry, but that’s what you are, don’t want to be regarded as a liar? then either throw away this christianity that you aren’t actually following anyway or shut that flap-trap of yours that keeps bragging that you are christian or – heaven forbid! – you actually start following Jesus’ teachings to the letter.

It’s that fucking simple.

They are the *only* three options christians and yes, I don’t give a flying fuck if you call yourself christian and don’t brag or even mention anything about it, that’s fine by me.

So my message to atheists is to tell christians to stop being such liars by telling them to stop this bullshit farce of pretending to be christian because the vast majority of christians are not anywhere near the ballpark of actually following their precious Messiah, not by a long shot and if atheists can’t do this, then these religious and anti-religious “crusades” they find themselves in will drag on for centuries.

Mark my words, the only reason christianity isn’t dead already is because atheists are being too tolerant of christians and their inherent inability to follow their own precious religion.

the atheist mistake…..   Leave a comment

i don’t regard myself as being an atheist, even if that is what I actually am because for my mind atheism is a mere affectation, it is merely a useless label that means nothing to me and couldn’t possibly convey what sort of person I am to others, so I wouldn’t call myself an atheist because it would feel like I was speaking bullshit.

Which is no different to anybody else to be honest, because people tell me they are American, Australian, New Zealander, Ford driver, Holden driver, chocolate lover, a tea drinker, a coffee drinker, vegan, meat lover, christian or atheist or whatever other banner it is that they fly before themselves that makes them feel like they belong to their particular group and be proud of belonging to that group but no single banner can tell me what sort of person you are, how can it?

But if people want to fly their banners, then that’s fine with me for all these groups *except* for atheism because I see atheism as the neutral position so to fly the atheist flag before oneself is to fly an empty banner devoid of any meaning whatsoever.

For me, the mistake in atheism is touting that you are an atheist in the first place, because for my mind, the atheist represents the “clean-slate”, the pristine human being that is free to act as an individual in all regards.

In other words, the atheist is free to be an independent and individual observer to all points of view *including* atheism itself even though it doesn’t really have a point of view, so to see a lot of people openly declaring that they are individuals is somewhat redundant to my way of thinking.

We all consider ourselves to be “me” from our own point of view, right? So to me, atheism is a label given to declare that you are yourself, that you are your own “me”, which is a somewhat redundant label when thought of in that particular context, I mean, you don’t go around telling people that you are indeed yourself, that you are indeed your own “me”, do you? Imagine that conversation?

“Hi, I’m me!”
“Hi there! I am *also* me!”
“Please to meet you, me!”

But perhaps that is just me and the culture I was raised in because where I live in Australia, religion is generally something that people keep to themselves, which in my personal case may be because I end up correcting people in my life about their own religion when they talk to me about it so they tend not to tell me their (incorrect) ideas about their religion in the first place to save themselves the hassle of being told how they have their religion wrong.

What I am saying is that it has never been necessary to flaunt my lack of belief in gods and such because where I live, in spite of there being a christian majority, there has never really been a need to counter the religious bullshit that can crop up at times that would require that I drop into “atheist-mode” in order to put religion in its place.

A simple and polite “oh just fuck off with that Jesus bullshit!” (yes, that is being polite) is usually sufficient to shut down anybody blabbering on about their Jesus and besides that, in general terms, regular christians in Australia usually do something about the more extremist christians anyway. Like when some dumbarse christians shoot their mouths off over here, it is often the moderate christians telling the extremist christians to sit down and shut the fuck up.

This is something I rarely see elsewhere. From what I have seen online in the USA, it is the atheists that feel compelled enough to tell extremist christians to pull their heads in, the christians in the USA generally avoid speaking out against other christians, now matter how fucked up their fellow “christians” behave, at least in my experience it has been a rare occasion to see a USA christian tell another USA christian to shut the fuck up and stop being a fool.

At any rate the consequence of my rarely needing to “debunk” religion has meant that I have rarely needed to use the anti-religion view point to support my views. Instead, I support my anti-religious views by using a person’s own *religion* without getting within cooee of using the atheist/scientific viewpoint at all.

For instance: if some christian were to go on about how evolution is just a theory, then I would say “so fucking what? what the fuck does evolution have to do with christians being good people?” …

After all, being a good person is the entire point of Jesus’ teachings so *whatever* it is that christians bullshit about, if it is *anything* beyond a discussion of how to be a good person, then their argument can and should be summarily dismissed because what they are bullshitting about is irrelevant to the teachings of Jesus so it is *nothing* to do with christianity and means nothing to furthering any argument for christianity.

So for my mind, atheists are going about debunking religion the wrong way in that they do not need to put across their own atheist viewpoint to win a religious argument at all, they don’t even need to focus on all the bullshit bad things that religion touts either.

For example: believers don’t give a flying fuck about how we would be all inbred if we descended from just two people (Adam and Eve), if anything, they make up some bigger bullshit story to account for this so it is utterly pointless to take the scientific point of view (which the adamant believer refuses to understand anyway) and explain why a diverse genetic sampling is required to make a healthy population of humans. Nor do believers give a fuck that marriage isn’t solely defined as being between a man and a woman (eg. King Solomon had how many wives?) nor do believers care that slavery (eg. it is okay to beat your servants as long as they don’t die within three days of that beating) and rape are condoned (eg. if you rape a girl, you are obligated to marry her) in the bible…

all believers care about is what they know, and to be brutally honest, when it comes to christianity, believers know little to nothing about their religion nor its origins. All of these little rituals they do (eg. going to church, communion, prayer etc etc) and these holidays that are supposedly celebrated because of Jesus are frivolous and unnecessary and are nothing to do with the actual christian message as taught by Jesus.

In fact pretty much anything that is identified as “christian” these days can be regarded as frivolous and/or an out-right admission that the believer does not comprehend their religion which is by far the easiest way to commit idolatry and break their precious first commandment. Ironic that the people who shout the loudest that they are following Christ’s teachings are the ones that are some of the people that are the furthest away from actually following those teachings of Jesus.. Although the irony has worn off for me and it is now the expected behaviour from christians to be utterly oblivious to their pissing all over their precious religion.

An example of frivolous christian bullshit: putting the “Christ” back in Christmas makes me roll my eyes because Christmas is a ritual usurped from the pagan celebration of the winter solstice by the Romans in order to encourage people to be christian three hundred years after the death of Jesus. Giving and receiving gifts once a fracking year to and from people you already know was not the point of Jesus’ teachings about loving thy neighbour, you are supposed to give to people who are in *need*, getting an iPod or giving the latest Sony Playstation hardly counts as something you *need* … Seems to me that people think that they are good christians merely because they do this gift giving thing once a year and that justifies them calling themselves christian for the rest of the year… nope! that is NOT how it works, dickhead. I even get the impression that some people even go to church once in a blue moon and that somehow makes them a good person without actually fucking doing anything for those in need.

“Oh I put TWENTY FUCKING CENTS INTO THE COLLECTION PLATE!! WHAT MORE DO YOU FUCKING WANT?!?!”

Fact is: if you are christian and you are doing good things for those in need, then that is *all* you need to do to be a good christian. Going to church is pointless because Jesus said to not be seen in public offering your praise to him so that others can see that you are a offering praise (that’s called “showing off”, by the way); catholic communion is another pointless ritual to make it seem like you have taken a vow to your Messiah; even merely saying that you believe in Jesus as a person is a pointless exercise in actual terms of following JC’s teachings; nearly everything a christian can bullshit about can be summarily dismissed as nothing to do with JC’s teachings of loving thy neighbour aka giving to those in need.

That is the complete extent of what you actually need to know about christianity, so why is that so FUCKING HARD for 2.2 Billion christians to do???

Jesus taught that you are to give to the needy if you want to get to heaven – that is all that is needed to be “christian” and this is the mistake that atheists make, they concentrate on debunking the frivolous rubbish that the believer touts when that frivolous rubbish should be summarily dismissed as nothing to do with what Jesus Christ taught seeing how JC’s teachings are the fucking point of christianity….

Do you want proof that Jesus exists and that people actually follow their god? Have a look at how many people live in or near to poverty and you will find that near three billion people are living in poverty, there is your proof that Jesus does not exist, because if Jesus existed, christians would be falling over themselves to make sure that there was no poverty anywhere in the world.

For my mind, as long as there is poverty in this world, Jesus is a myth. In fact, Jesus is a disgusting lie that people follow in lieu of their actually doing something about all the needy people in the world.

Believing in Jesus, for the most part, is how people tell themselves that they are good people because they don’t have the courage to acknowledge that they are good people of their own accord, but this label that they throw on themselves means nothing, so we get christians who are abusive and disgusting and hateful who will claim black and blue that they are a follower of Jesus when plain and simply to the eye of anyone with even half an eye open, they are clearly NOT following JC’s teachings. It’s a guilt trip that people can whip out when they feel guilty about not actually helping the needy.

“Hey I believe in Jesus, so why the fuck should I help the needy, Jesus will be back soon to fix EVERYTHING, real soon, in about five minutes…. just wait … “

ahem … NO!

but “Jesus died for my sins” .. ahem… no he did not, the manner in which he died was an *example* of how *christians* are supposed to live their lives and that example he taught was that no matter how much people mistreat you, you will *still* be forgiving of them and that you will NOT raise a hand or even a single thought of violence towards those people that would hurt you.

“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do…”

That is where atheists make their mistake, Jesus will not do squat for this world because Jesus taught his *followers* to fix the world and its problems, so Jesus will *never* magically (re)appear to set things right because fixing the world is what he commanded his followers to do by giving to the needy and that is all there is to christianity, to make arguments beyond that simple concept is to demonstrate your inability to understand the simplicity of what christianity was supposed to fucking be about, which is something that believers need to be taught. ie. either start following the teachings of Jesus Christ or fuck off with this utterly bullshit set of elaborate lies that the christian tells the world because they think they are getting into heaven for merely calling themselves “christian”.

If Jesus really does exist, then it is his own followers that are going to hell for pretending to be something that they are not. The atheist should take advantage of the christian inability to follow their own set of rules in disassembling religion and not bother with the petty bullshit that the religious don’t give a fuck about either.

Posted 1 March, 2013 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

what does the year have to do with christ being the lord?   Leave a comment

every now and then, some idiotic christian spouts off that because the current year is based on the alleged birth date of their precious Jesus Christ…. and that somehow means that Jesus is “real”..

*facepalm*

Being correct about Jesus being “real”, is irrelevant, even if you *are* correct, because aside from this being idolatry, but… what the fuck does the frikking year have to do with anything?

The year is an arbitrary numbering system that could have been based on anything, so how does the numbering of our years got anything to do with being a good christian? That *is* the point of being christian; that you be a kind and generous and loving individual, you know that, right?

That is all there is to christianity so if you need the constant stimulation in seeing that it is the “year of our lord” as some sort of reminder that you need to be (or are) a good christian, then your motivations for being christian are driven by selfishness because all *you* are interested in is seeing things that are christian and since *you* see christian things, that somehow makes *you* a believer, and that somehow makes *you* a good person and that somehow means that *you* get to live with god in heaven for all eternity when *you* die…..

#fail at being Christ-like much, or is it just a hobby?

but even if the year being based around Christ is supposedly some beacon in our history that proves that Christ is lord or some shite, then it should be pointed out that Christ was pretty much a nobody for the first three hundred years after his death… and that the Anno Domini calendar wasn’t devised until 525AD and wasn’t adopted by anybody until 532AD and was not widely used by many people until 800AD or so … and some countries didn’t adopt it until about 1400AD!

the Ancient Romans used the founding of Rome as the reference point for the year, which in our current scheme of years, was 753BC

the calendar we use today is based on ten month Roman calendar which then evolved into the twelve month calendar that was introduced by Julius Caesar at about 45BC and was slightly amended later on by Augustus in 4AD, this calendar was used up until 1582AD when Pope Gregory slightly changed it again..

but the point here is that we have had many calendars over the millennia and we didn’t start using the Anno Domini calendar until 532AD – so when some smart arse goes on about how the year being based on the “fact” that Jesus was born is proof of Jesus, then they can be told something along the lines of: if Jesus was so special, then why did it take over five hundred years to start using his birth year as the current year?

ps. the monk who “calculated” Jesus’ birth year, got it wrong, 2012AD should actually be 2016AD, by the way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#History

Posted 21 December, 2012 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, history, idolatry, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

no point claiming what you have no right to claim (religiorant)   Leave a comment

you have to laugh at people who defend their christianity without ever actually being an actual christian themselves, I mean, there are christians who worry that christianity will disappear if non-believers get their way… and they worry about such trivial things like the “War on Christmas?” … ahem … seriously, guys, Christmas was created by the Romans a few hundred years after JC supposedly died to make it easier for the pagans to assimilate christianity, so it wasn’t actually part of Christianity in the first place.

… but …

the strange thing about people and their objections that christianity might die off, is that there is *already* no such thing as christianity, at least not how the Jesus Christ character from the bible taught it, at least, not in the “Western” world.

Most of these other Jesus characters that alleged christians boast about believing in, seem to be only vaguely based on the bible-Jesus, because for the most part, most of the christians that I am aware of have made up their own Jesus, right there in their heads because how else would this Jesus of theirs just happen to share all the same likes and dislikes that they do if they didn’t invent him themselves?

“If god didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent him…”–[Voltaire]

Yes, I am saying that some people believe in god for the very purpose of justifying their bigotry.

Like those religious people who are against homosexuality because god says its “wrong”.. well, even *if* it is wrong, what do other people’s relationships have to do with you? And furthermore, even *if* it is against the will of god, then this will be sorted out by god itself, at some later time so the fact is that believers are only being busy-bodies by telling others that they are sinning, at least in my experience. Either that, or they don’t really believe that their god will actually punish the sinners at some point in the future so they (have to) do it instead.. you know, just in case god doesn’t get the chance.

Believers should keep their judgements to themselves because I don’t ever recall the Jesus from the bible being hateful towards any particular sort of person, in fact, didn’t this Jesus guy say something about forgiving them? so, ahem, if christians are to follow his example, they shouldn’t be judging others, they should be compassionate and understanding towards others, so just how can they be hateful towards anybody simply because they don’t like particular types of people when it goes right against the fundamentals of what their Jesus taught?

And no, you don’t get to be a bastard to someone and then say that you love them or that Jesus loves them or whatever other godly orientated excuse you can come up with to justify your hatred because if you were truly following this Jesus guy, you wouldn’t have hated so much so that you would need to vocalise or write about your hatred in the first place… Personal hatred I can understand, ie. when you know the person, *personally*, but to hate a whole “type” of person, without knowing any of them… what was that judge not lest thee be judged yourself thing?

Remember the Good Samaritan? … the point is that Jesus didn’t care *what* people believed, he cared that you help people in need when you can. A lot of “good” christians seem to have forgotten the Good Samaritan parable….

A lot of christians also seem to forget that their values are *christian* religious values, I don’t follow your religion, your religion only applies to *YOU*, if you want to impose your religious values upon me then you are saying that your religion is *the* religion.

For this, I would need proof that your religion is the religion because as far as I am concerned, you aren’t even following your own religion anyway, so either show to me how you honour this JC guy’s teachings or stop pretending to follow him because even if your religion is the religion, then “so what?” – you aren’t following it properly, so why should I follow it as well?

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Oh .. and if you do actually show me how you honour the teachings of Jesus, then you have actually failed at honouring the teachings of your Messiah …

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

… or the more easily understood … “you aren’t getting into heaven if you brag that you do good deeds”…

and one could further imply from the above bible verse that merely saying that you are christian and not doing good deeds is far worse, and just saying that you are christian, would seem to be the vast majority of christians

I mean seriously, if all two billion christians gave a measly ten dollars a year to a central charity that could give to the poor, then worldwide poverty could be almost eliminated but clearly poverty hasn’t been eliminated which says to me that christians are not doing their sacred duty so how do they expect to get into this heaven of theirs when they didn’t try very hard at actually earning entry to said place of eternal peace?

If I were christian, I wouldn’t be expecting Jesus to be coming back any time soon, considering that christianity allows people in need to continue to exist and yet, the biggest concern among christians these days is how Christ is being taken out of Christmas?

you can’t merely just be a christian – you have to actually *do* something for those who aren’t as well off as you are… that’s my understanding of christianity and that is exactly why I don’t call myself christian. I would be lying to myself if I were to call myself christian, it would be like wearing a cheap suit from K-Mart with an “Armani” label tacked on to make it look like I was the shiz.

Don’t get me wrong, that cheap suit looks good enough to me anyway, so in spite of christians not actually being christian, for the most part, most of them are decent enough people anyway, but the fact is that they are pretending to be christian while there are still needy people in this world, so these feeble excuses people tell themselves as to why they do nothing are just going to piss this Jesus off, if he is in fact real.

Like this bullshit of you just need to believe in Jesus because he died on the cross … that’s fucking offensive … what a crock of utter shite?!?!!?

The whole point of dying on the cross was to show people how far Jesus expected his followers to go to avoid hurting people! It says so in the very same bible that christians pour over all the time, so if you missed that bit… read Matthew Chapter 16, the whole chapter

ie. if you don’t understand what you are reading in the bible, you don’t get to fucking make up your own interpretation!! Go find several priests and get second, third and fourth opinions.

…. and all of those Jesus-miracles? could it be that they were just to show that Jesus could save himself from persecution if he so chose to do so?

Going as far as Jesus did to avoid hurting anybody who was trying to kill him, set a standard that is way too high for followers of christianity to follow.

JC taught a whole bunch of shit that set the bar so fracking high that no one could claim that they are truly christian, not really.

For starters: JC taught that if you want to follow him and get into heaven, then you need to sell your stuff and give that money to the needy, so what is it with all the christians in their fancy suits with their shiny jewellery with all their little techno gadgets and their fuel guzzling cars and their houses etc etc – what hypocrites!?!

If you are a christian and you can afford the luxuries of life, then don’t kid yourself, you know damn well that if you were truly christian you would have given that money to the needy instead of spending it on yourself.

So if you are to claim that you are christian while there are still needy people in this world, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to be proudly stating that you are christian and the reason for this is simple: while there are needy people in the world, that means that there are christians that are not doing their bit to get into heaven.

There are two billion christians, how can there still be poverty anywhere in the world if giving to the needy (aka “love thy neighbour”) was being taken seriously?

To boldly and proudly claim that you are christian while you are walking around with more wealth in your pocket than some people have seen in their entire lives is utterly removed from what the christian messiah was trying to teach..

Being greedy is not the meaning of this love thy neighbour thing that Jesus taught. Being selfish is not what Jesus meant when he said go and spread the word, the word was “be nice to everyone, and help those in need” – not annoy the fuck out of people by getting them to “follow Jesus” just by saying that they follow Jesus – you are supposed to spread “the word” by your actions of kindness to others who are in need – if you are not doing that – then you are not christian – plain and simple.

in fact, to even make the claim that you are christian to someone who doesn’t know whether you deserve to be called christian or not, sees that you have already failed at actually being christian, because being christian is supposed to be something that you should earn via your actions with your good deeds and goodwill to all people yadda yadda yadda

Being christian can not ever be something that you merely claim and then expect to be taken seriously… *ever*

I mean, I can claim that I am an astronaut, but that doesn’t make it so, so if I make the astronomical claim to some stranger that i am an astronaut when I haven’t actually done anything that allows me to make that claim, then i should expect to be treated as a bullshit artist until i *can* back up this claim by actually going to space, or at the very least, be actively involved in training to be an astronaut, because if I don’t, then *everything* else I say, about anything at all, is *also* suspect.

Keeping that astronaut analogy in mind, anyone merely claiming that they are christian is instantly treated with the trepidation that they deserve for making such a spurious claim, because you’ve not proven yourself as being able to make such a bold claim. Not to me you haven’t.

It’s like being in court, I may or may not be an outstanding member of society, but if I lie to the judge, then the judge is going to assume that everything I say from that point on is a lie, at the very least, every thing I say is to be taken with a grain of salt. ie. I have told one lie, so the precedent is set, I can’t be trusted to be honest, so the judge will expect more lies from me because I have shown that I can not be trusted because I have already told one lie..

And christianity, is one massive lie, especially in the “western” world. There are so many “things” that are tagged as being “christian” these days that are nothing to do with what Jesus actually taught, so much so, that for me, anyone claiming to be “christian” is a matter of …. “meh! .. so what? do you want a gold star or something?”

the word “christian” pretty much means nothing to me now, it’s irrevocably tainted. So you are better off keeping your christianity to yourself because this “christianity” tag is just a heads up to the fact that you are more than likely NOT actually following what Jesus taught, ergo, if you tell me that you are christian when I didn’t ask you if you were, then I am inclined to think that you are a liar.

The ironic thing here is that if people would show that they deserved to be called a christian, then they would not need to even tell me that they are christian because I probably would have figured it out already in the first place, all by myself, as it’s pretty easy to spot people who are as generous as this Jesus Christ character I keep hearing about. In fact, someone who was even half as nice as this Jesus story-book character would stick out like a sore thumb in our self-centred society.

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What’s even more ridiculous is that by the christian “rules”, these claims of being christian that believers tend to make is not something to be taken lightly, it is their *eternal* souls that they are talking about, they get *one* chance to get it right, so to claim that you are “like Jesus” without backing up those claims, is rather unwise, because if indeed this whole Jesus Christ thing does turn out to be true, then the most fucked people on judgement day are going to be the people who merely claimed that they were christian when they did nothing whatsoever to justify making those claims.

Apathetically claiming you are christian is far worse than being a non-believer who did just as much to help the needy as some pretend-christians did, but at least the non-believers didn’t prance around telling everyone that they were better than everyone else because they believed in Jesus when others did not believe. What’s the fucking point of believing in Jesus if you don’t do what your Messiah has commanded you to do?

In fact, given the sheer volume of people claiming to be christian when they are not even close to being Christ like, then the wisest course of action, is to not claim you are christian, at all, even if you *are* a christian, as you wouldn’t want to be lumped in with the un-Christ-like christian mob, accidentally, should the end of the world or something like that happen.

The way I see it is that you are better off by not making the claim that you are christian because you are not taking it upon yourself to think yourself “worthy” … because, ahem, according to the bible, only Jesus gets to say whether you are worthy or not. So if you’re self appointing yourself as a christian, then one could speculate that you are saying that you are already bound for heaven. That assumption is idolatrous because you are not god, you are not Jesus, you are doing the job of your god by self-appointing yourself as a christian.

By not making the assumption that you are christian, you are not trying to declare yourself as being worthy, so you are not pretending to be Jesus Christ.

So if this Jesus thing is true and you haven’t made the assumption that you are saved, then you are better off because you have not assumed the job of Jesus and declared yourself worthy. Without making the bold statement that you are saved, your life is to be judged on what you did, and not some affectation that you wore as some sort of way to affirm that you are “chosen” or “saved” or that indeed, you are better than anybody else because you believe in some arbitrary story book character from thousands of years ago.

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The details of christianity are irrelevant, so to troll through the bible looking for its hidden meaning is an insult to the real Christianity as that Christ guy intended, because the crux of Jesus Christ’s teachings is that you are to be good to others, especially to those that are in need, that is what is important. That message isn’t hidden, it’s there in plain fucking site, if you can’t get the whole be-nice-to-everyone-and-that-means-everyone-even-the-gays-blacks-jews-hispanics-blah-blah-blah, then you are a failure at being christian.

Claiming that you are christian, doesn’t make you a good person, in fact, claiming that you are christian when you do not follow the teachings of Jesus is outright blasphemy.

If you are claiming that you are christian and yet you do not follow the teachings of Jesus from the bible, then you are making up your own version of Jesus, and if you have made up your own Jesus, then that is most definitely a false Jesus, and worshipping false gods (even if you just happen to call that god “Jesus” too) is idolatry, it breaks the first commandment of “love thy god before all others”, and the first commandment still applies to any god that you have made up… in fact, it applies especially to gods that you personally make up and breaking that first commandment is one way to certainly make sure that you are going to this hell that the non-believers are so commonly condemned to.

Damning people to hell is judging others as being unworthy, which is more idolatry, because to claim with authority that somebody is going to hell, is to claim that you are Jesus Christ himself because according to the bible story, only Jesus gets to send people to hell.

So even if the christian is *right* about a person going to hell, they *still* have no right to pretend to be the messiah by having the arrogant gall to even think that they have the right to sit upon the judgement throne of their precious *god*, let alone go around shouting to the world about who they think is unworthy of eternal peace.

So, if there really is a hell, I would expect it to be full of self-appointed christians who made the boldly arrogant assumption that they were going to heaven when they did nothing whatsoever to deserve to be going to heaven.

Oh, and just because you were born into a christian family or you told you that were christian, it doesn’t make it so either, you still need to earn your christian stripes, *before* you can wear them.

Posted 11 September, 2012 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, idolatry, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

who the fuck is Tom Tebow? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

DENVER (CBS Denver) — Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow is not the only one who thinks God helps him on the football field.

According to a national telephone survey conducted by Poll Position, 43 percent of people believe that “divine intervention” is responsible for his success compared to 42 percent of people surveyed who think that God has nothing to do with Tebow winning.
— from Poll Finds 43 Percent Of People Believe God Helps Tebow Win

i am certain that 43% is not reflective of the true extent of this problem in the USA as i suspect that people would not say “yes, god helps Tebow” if they were fans of other football teams or didn’t like football at all, so i expect that this *facepalm* attitude to faith to be much more prevalent – perhaps even as many as 99% of US christians have their religion so wrong that according to their rule book, there is no way they are going to this heaven of theirs..

christians don’t carry on like this in Australia anywhere near as much as the USA – idiot christians getting their religion wrong seem to be few and far between over here and the religious majority usually deal with them anyway – in my experience, a non-believer rarely needs to be the one to tell fundamentalist christian idiots to “pull their head in” over here

the problem i have with prayer is that people are praying for trivial things that they want or get… seriously? .. a football game? finding your keys? not missing the bus? .. come on people, such trivialities? … i always thought that prayer was supposed to be reserved for being thankful for very personal stuff like you and your family’s health and/or for the food in front of you – maybe it’s me that is the idiot?

maybe Tebow is praying that he is grateful his leg didn’t fall off? i could accept that, but regardless, he does this prayer bullcrap in front of thousands of people, this is blatantly showing off that you are a believer to win the favour of the masses – to add insult to injury, this Jesus guy even taught that you should *not* do exactly what this Tebow clown is doing in Mathew 6:5, the specific purpose of which was to teach that you should not show off that you are a believer as it makes others like/love/respect/trust you for doing some trivial thing

The War On Christmas breaks the first commandment (religiorant)   Leave a comment

I find it utterly pathetic that this “war on Christmas” is mostly over *things* that are *nothing* to do with the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, which according to christianity itself, is a *very* bad thing to do.

In fact, it breaks the first commandment.

If you make a fuss over a *thing* in relation to your Messiah, then you are making that thing out to be important to your belief in Jesus Christ, and that is called *idolatry* – in other words, you are breaking the first commandment by thinking there is a war on Christmas, especially when Christmas is something the bloody Romans made up centuries after the alleged death of that Jesus guy, and especially worse still is that Christmas was based on traditions that existed long before the time of this Jesus

The first commandment wasn’t just about worshipping “false” gods that other people or cultures have made up; like Baal, Odin, Justin Beiber etc etc .. it was also about gods that *you* make up yourself, unintentionally or otherwise.

If you make Christmas out to be important to believing in Jesus Christ, then you are believing in a *false* Jesus that you or somebody else has made up – this is because you or somebody else has taken this thing called “Christmas” and mashed it together with Jesus, so you are worshipping this Jesus guy, at least in part, via your associating Christmas with Jesus. in other words; Christmas is making your faith in Jesus more real for you, Christmas is giving you a thing to point at and say “Look at this Christmas thing I do!! *I* am a believer in Jesus Christ!”….

No, that is not how it works – read your bible – your faith says that if you want to follow Jesus and get into heaven, then you need to adhere to the *second* commandment, ie. “love thy neighbour” ie. give to the needy – that – i believe, is what was meant by “spreading the word” – you aren’t supposed to go around preaching about how great Jesus was, you are supposed to emulate him and go around helping people out and give money and food away yourself!.. ie. seek the needy people out and help make them not be so needy with the idea being that if every one helps their neighbours in need, then the whole world can live in peace in some sort of fair society but this only works if everyone does it, so we know that can’t happen because no-one wants to give away their money, not unless they are *sure* they can afford to do it.

Furthermore, to make a *facepalm* situation into even more *facepalm* situation – if your faith is so strong, then your faith should stand by itself, it should not need to wrap itself with frivolous and shiny *things* that are in fact, nothing to do with what your Messiah taught.

I mean did Jesus say, “celebrate my birth once every year”? because I’m pretty sure that he didn’t, and if he did, I pretty sure he would have meant that you celebrate his birth *every* day and honour him *Every* day by actually doing what he commanded his followers to do, *every* day.

But, why is this not-using-*things* so important to following Jesus Christ, even if this “thing” is the celebration of this Messiah’s supposed birth???

Because when you fuss over these things that aren’t anything to do with the actual teachings of Christ, you can end up not following the teachings of your Christ at all, so how do people expect to get into heaven when they have not met the requirements? I bet there are people who haven’t given a cent to a person in need and yet they think they will get into heaven because they believe in Jesus

Only one gospel (**1) says that mere belief in Christ gets you into heaven, the other three say you need to give your money to the needy. so who are you going to believe, Matthew, Mark and Luke or just John?

As far as I can see it, this “War on Christmas” is just another thing “christians” rage about so that people don’t feel bad about not actually following the teachings of the Jesus

non-believer: “hey, shouldn’t you be out helping the needy?”
“christian”: “NO!! there’s another war on Christmas!!”

ps. there was nobody called “Jesus” 2000 years ago, by the way…

how could there be?

the letter “J” wasn’t invented until about 500 or years ago …

UPDATE: 2/Dec/2012

(**1) even though the verse John 3:16 implies that mere belief is all that is required to receive eternal life, if you read the whole chapter, it does go on to say that you need to do good stuff in a subsequent verse…

ie. John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

so, John 3:16 is probably being taken out of context by most people.

Posted 13 December, 2011 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, idolatry, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, war