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was anybody ever following what Jesus said to do? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

when one says that they follow Christ but then they don’t follow what he taught, one makes up their own version of Jesus, do they not?

isn’t making up your own god the very definition of idolatry?

In essence, any “christian” who does not follow the second commandment of “love thy neighbour” in any way and yet still claims to “follow Jesus” also breaks the first commandment because they have made up their own, personal Jesus…

This is a false Jesus. It might be close to the bible Jesus, but if you are not following what he said to do, then your Jesus is a false Jesus.

the whole non-violence thing Jesus went through by dying on the cross, was not to give some sort of get-out-of-hell-free card to those who simply believed in Christ, what Jesus was trying to teach was that dying up on the cross was the extreme that he wanted *everyone* to go to in order to avoid enacting violence upon others. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that he *could* have done something to stop people from trying to kill him, but he chose not to defend himself by breaking the cycle of violence and letting himself be killed…

when you look at christianity that way, it would seem that little to nobody is actually following anything that this superhero Jesus guy taught anyway..

So was anybody, ever following what Jesus taught? I mean, the majority of people stick up for themselves when they are persecuted and does it not make sense that anybody who was actually following Jesus’ teachings, would find themselves “naturally selected” out of existence anyway?

that I feel, is the key to unravelling christianity, once and for all, point out that no-one is actually following it anyway.

It would seem to be a waste of time to be harping over petty things like the physics of Noah’s flood or how we’d all be inbred if we were initially spawned from a mere two people and how christians conveniently ignore all of those things that are supposedly abominations in the Old Testament, except those abominations that suit their particular flavour of bigotry, of course…

If you truly want to put an end to christianity, you’ll point out to the user that it has already ended because no-one is actually following what this fabled Jesus guy of theirs actually taught.

Jesus taught things like giving away all your money to the no-good free loaders was what christians were supposed to do if they want to get into heaven, it was only Jesus’ lazy arse followers who ever said that you can get away with just believing, Jesus said you had to actually do something to get into heaven…

Posted 22 January, 2012 by manabrau in Christianity, idolatry, jesus

"why doesn’t god help the needy?" is a flawed argument (atheiorant)   Leave a comment

i find the whole “why doesn’t god help the hungry” argument to be a flawed argument on the part of the atheist, especially when dealing with Jesus fans because Jesus taught that you are to help those in need, right?

Jesus taught that his *followers* should help people in need, Jesus never taught that he would fix things by coming down and/or fix things from remote – according to the story, this Jesus Christ god is not *ever* going to come down and help the needy because it is up to followers of Christ to get in there and do that – it is, after all, what the christian needs to do to get into heaven..

Timmy Tebow and his John 3:16 verse may seem to imply that you just need to believe, but the other three gospels say that you have to actually *do* something. ie. the other three gospels say that you get into heaven by giving your money to those who need it

think of how that Good Samaritan helped the guy he saw laying on the side of the road, it was a situation of opportunity, the Samaritan saw the guy in need, so he helped him out, no-one else did, but given the good nature of the helpful Samaritan, I would assume that he thought that he was the first person to come along and see the guy laying at the side of the road.

Now we’ve all known since the 80s, thanks to TV, that people are starving all across the world, so given that knowledge of people in need is so widespread – why haven’t the christians done what their Jesus told them to do? do they not want to get into heaven?

this is why that argument is flawed, it was never up to god to make things good, it was up to the believers in god to spread their wealth around until everyone stopped being in need, so there’s your proof that the Jesus from the bible doesn’t exist, there’s your proof that god is dead and that we’ve killed it because no-one is following Jesus, they are merely saying that they are “christians” because if richest 1% of the two billion or so christians actually gave a mere 10% of their earnings to the needy – i can’t see how needy people could still exist in such vast numbers if christians were actually following their Messiah.

Posted 14 January, 2012 by manabrau in Christianity, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, usa

who the fuck is Tom Tebow? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

DENVER (CBS Denver) — Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow is not the only one who thinks God helps him on the football field.

According to a national telephone survey conducted by Poll Position, 43 percent of people believe that “divine intervention” is responsible for his success compared to 42 percent of people surveyed who think that God has nothing to do with Tebow winning.
— from Poll Finds 43 Percent Of People Believe God Helps Tebow Win

i am certain that 43% is not reflective of the true extent of this problem in the USA as i suspect that people would not say “yes, god helps Tebow” if they were fans of other football teams or didn’t like football at all, so i expect that this *facepalm* attitude to faith to be much more prevalent – perhaps even as many as 99% of US christians have their religion so wrong that according to their rule book, there is no way they are going to this heaven of theirs..

christians don’t carry on like this in Australia anywhere near as much as the USA – idiot christians getting their religion wrong seem to be few and far between over here and the religious majority usually deal with them anyway – in my experience, a non-believer rarely needs to be the one to tell fundamentalist christian idiots to “pull their head in” over here

the problem i have with prayer is that people are praying for trivial things that they want or get… seriously? .. a football game? finding your keys? not missing the bus? .. come on people, such trivialities? … i always thought that prayer was supposed to be reserved for being thankful for very personal stuff like you and your family’s health and/or for the food in front of you – maybe it’s me that is the idiot?

maybe Tebow is praying that he is grateful his leg didn’t fall off? i could accept that, but regardless, he does this prayer bullcrap in front of thousands of people, this is blatantly showing off that you are a believer to win the favour of the masses – to add insult to injury, this Jesus guy even taught that you should *not* do exactly what this Tebow clown is doing in Mathew 6:5, the specific purpose of which was to teach that you should not show off that you are a believer as it makes others like/love/respect/trust you for doing some trivial thing

Response to "What’s wrong with American Christianity" ….   Leave a comment

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indeed – this is a very serious problem as it would seem that vast majority of US christians are defying the teachings of their own Messiah – and defying them with pride

merely declaring yourself christian, doesn’t make a person a christian, at all … but a lot of christians seem to think they are christian simply because they believe in Jesus, and by proxy, believing in Jesus makes them think they are a good person … now they probably are good people in general, but being a christian, means that you are supposed to do good things to be a good person – so just saying that you are christian is much like saying that you are smart because you like Einstein

so believing in Jesus requires that you actually take actions to help your fellow humans – and not merely give the impression that you are a good person because you believe in some dude called Jesus

in fact, declaring that you are christian is *bragging* that you are christian … look at Matthew 6:1 … it says the christian should not do good deeds such that other people will see them do those good deeds or something like that, ie. So if you shouldn’t be bragging that you are good person even when you actually *are* doing good deeds, the logical extension of that is that you most certainly should *not* declare that you are a good person when you are *not* doing good deeds at all

the author of Matthew 6 seemed to be concerned that people were doing good things and then bragging about it – however, nearly every American christian I have seen, has *skipped* the whole doing good things and gone straight to bragging that they are good people – it is one thing to brag about being a good person when you are a good person, but to brag that you are a good person, when you are not and/or indifferent to other people’s needs .. well … that’s a lie

christians need to be aware that three of the gospels state that you need to give to the needy to get into heaven … I find no other bible verse that declares what you need to actually do to get into heaven, and just saying you believe, is not doing anything whatsoever – so if your basis for getting into heaven is John 3:16, then you do not understand your bible – because if you are not giving to the needy then you do *not* believe in Jesus and what he taught, you are in fact lying that you are christian because the way i see it is that any one declaring they are christian is declaring “hey! If you need money, come to me and I will give it to you, no questions asked” – but is anyone actually declaring that if someone walks up to them and asks for them for money that they will actually give that money away simply by stating that they are christian?

I do not regard myself as being christian simply because I will not give away money to every stranger that wanders up to me and asks for it – I am under no obligation to help those people in need (even though i still do at times) – however, people claiming to be christian *ARE* obligated to help the needy, ALL the time – “love thy neighbour” is a commandment, it is not an optional thing that you do for your family and/or friends and/or whenever you feel like – if you see someone in need, then if you are christian, you should be helping them – remember the good Samaritan? in fact, there are so many needy people in the world that christians should not even have *time* to declare they are christian let alone brag about it at length as they should be elsewhere doing as their Messiah commanded

it disgusts me that US christians claim that the USA is a christian nation, because if the USA was truly a christian society, any homeless person should be able stand on the streets of a big city like New York and hold up a sign that says “I am homeless and need money”, in a true christian country that person should be a millionaire by lunch time of the first day of begging in the street, but is that what happens?

no, this is not what happens in the richest country in the world – unless, of course, ALL 250 million people claiming to be christians in the USA are living in poverty then they have a reason to not help the needy because they are needy themselves – on the other hand, it would seem to me that at least 90% of christians in the USA are not living in poverty – so why haven’t those hundred million or so christians at least gotten rid of poverty in their own country?

here is your proof that there is no such thing as Jesus, because given this clear evidence that people are not willing to actually help those in need and actually follow what their Jesus taught, then it is fair to say that almost every christian claiming to be a christian in the USA, is in fact worshipping a *false* Jesus – a false Jesus that does not care about whether you give to the needy or not; so there’s your proof that the Jesus from the bible does not exist, the fact that even one person in this world lives in poverty is all the proof that I need to declare that the Jesus from the bible does not exist, and that all the Jesus references today that people make, are towards the false Jesus that they merely *want* to believe in

anyone worshipping a false Jesus and yet claims to follow the Jesus from the bible is committing idolatry because they are worshipping a Jesus that *they* made up, because the only Jesus Christ that would let a person get away with their blatant pretending to be christian, is the Jesus Christ that is their very own ego .. and christians have the gall to imply that atheists worship themselves?!?!. .. HA!! … ahem … no … it’s the other way around

I also find it laughable when some christian is shown just how grossly they are not following the commandments of Jesus and they turn around and try to shift the focus of the conversation elsewhere and point at other groups and say “Oh you don’t pick on those people for not being christian!!” — really — is that their excuse? Jews don’t follow Jesus, Atheists don’t follow Jesus, Muslims don’t follow Jesus (he was a prophet of theirs, but not a significant one compared to Muhammad), etc etc etc .. only christians follow Jesus so only christians are obligated to follow the commandments of Jesus Christ – any attempt to shift the focus to another group of non-christian people is a declaration that is similar to “yes I admit that I am not a christian but those Jews/Muslims/Atheists aren’t christian either, so why are you picking on me for not being christian?!?!?” *facepalm*

It seems very clear, that for the most part, christians believe in Jesus because of christmas, easter, giving presents, miracles, bumper stickers, having in god we trust on money, teaching creationism in schools, saying a pledge to god everyday, crosses, churches, chaplains in schools, stained glass windows etc etc etc — all of these things prop up the beliefs of the christian but none of these things are anything to do with being like Jesus wanted his followers to be like; these things are nothing to do with his actual teachings because they *are* things – a thing is not supposed to help you have your beliefs – if you need a thing to prop up your beliefs then you are sharing your love of god between that thing and your god – and some people even love those things exclusively with no regard for what their god wanted from them at all

this was what i believe the first commandment was trying to prevent – it is not merely about not worshipping Satan or Ba’al or Thor or Krishna, the first commandment was also trying to stop people from making up their own version of Jesus and worshipping that perfect idea of the perfect Jesus that lets you get away with whatever the fuck you want – in other words – US christians *need* to hold onto *things* to make their faith more real, which is the very opposite of what faith is supposed to be about – because when you focus on the things that you merely think your religion is about, you can end up not following what your religion is actually supposed to be about in the first place at all

this explains why all of these things that aren’t really anything to do with christianity are so furiously defended by christians, they defend them because they are the *only* things that make their religion real to them because they are not following the teachings of their Jesus, so to compensate, they make up things to focus on.. this also explains why christians tend to worry about what everyone else believes in, because they think that if they can get everyone to use these things to prop up christianity like they do, then no christians at all will feel bad about not actually following the teachings of Jesus, because no-one else is …

it’s obvious isn’t it? Jesus said to love everyone, but that is clearly too hard for people, so they just focus on *things* …

“oh I believe in Jesus, look! I’ve got a Fish Bumper sticker and everything!!!” ….. bzzzz #Fail

Posted 11 January, 2012 by manabrau in Christianity, god, idolatry, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, usa