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you can not "just believe" in Jesus … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

you can not “just believe” in Jesus

if you look at the teachings of Jesus Christ from the three gospels, Mark, Luke and Matthew, it would seem that there is a fundamental problem with “just believing”

the whole point of christianity (I can’t speak for other religions, i’ve only rejected one religion, and from that experience, that was enough, thanks) was to be a good person, that’s what many christians claim when they say that atheists can not possibly be moral people, because atheists are non-believers.

the central message of Christianity is “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” … aka “love thy neighbour”… aka. “the golden rule” .. this is the second commandment that JC taught… the first being “love thy god before all others” ..

at this point, it’s pertinent to mention that these commandments are actions that you must *do* … unlike some of the ten commandments where you can do nothing, and follow them… ie. “thou shalt not kill”, I’m following that one right now, and i suspect that at least six billion other people are doing the same right now as well.. but just because we are all following that commandment, that doesn’t make us good people

the point being is that if one “just believes”, then how does that make you a good person when your messiah taught that you must *do* good things in order to be this good person?

this is a fundamental problem if you are claiming to follow JC, as it would seem that “just believing” in Jesus is idolatry: as that turns “Jesus” into a thing or an icon that equates to being a good person..

and in spite of what people have read from the book of John (esp John 3:16) the other three gospels state that you must do good things in order to be a good person in order to gain salvayshunn in da heavenuh, so thinking that “just believing” in JC makes you a good person, goes against the teachings of Jesus. ie. JC taught that you take actions to be a good person, “just believing” is not taking action so it is not what JC taught.. eg. the three gospels of Mark, Luke and Matthew, beats the one gospel of John, right?

so if you think that you are a good person by “just believing” in Jesus, then you are not believing in the Jesus from the bible, you believe in a *false* Jesus that you’ve made up. It may be similar to the “real” Jesus from the bible, but it’s not, because you just can not ignore the two commandments that Jesus taught and claim to be a christian.. so if you “just believe” in this Jesus version of yours that supposedly said to “just believe”, and you insist that he is the son of god, then you are worshipping a false Jesus, which is a false god and thus breaks the first commandment …

just because the icon is in your mind, it’s does not negate that it’s still idolatry, in fact, the easiest place to commit idolatry is right there in your mind; ironically the non-believer is inherently not capable of idolatry, so when they die, they could therefore end up in heaven *accidentally* if they are not careful

the USA, with its having “god” on currency and in the pledge is a massive example of idolatry on a national scale, it turns god into some icon that you see all the time, and i have no doubt that would lead to more of that “just” believing stuff where you simply think you are a good person because it says “in god we trust” on money, or that you pledged allegiance to god the flag and country or whatever for the ten years you went to school

“just believing” in JC would seem to be a massive problem if you think your eternal life is dependant upon it, especially in the USA; and even if the other person is actually kind and follows the teachings of Jesus to the letter, if they say to you that you should “just believe”, then they are asking you to commit idolatry, because you can’t “just believe” unless you go and do good things in order to be saved, or so the story goes


good without god? …. (religiorant)   Leave a comment

i have often seen the phrase fly around that you can’t be good without god and the same people who say that sort of thing, also go on about creationism, miracles, Jesus in a bit of toast, gays, abortions, and all that other business they go about, like “read the bible”, “you need to believe” blah blah blah

hmmmm… is that right?

of all the christianity i have been exposed to in the past five years on the net, at least 99% of it had nothing to do with its central message of “love thy neighbour”. the entire point of christianity is that it supposedly teaches you to be a good person, right?

well, let’s just imagine for a second that that notion is true

so what does creationism (and 99.9% of everything else the religious go on about) have to do with being a good person?

are you against abortions? you are not getting one, seeing how you are against them, so what does that have to do with *you* being a good person?

do you disapprove of homosexuality? you aren’t gay, otherwise you would not disapprove, so again, what does that have to do with *you* being a good person?

do you go around telling people about “the word” of Jesus Christ? ahem… what does telling people about Jesus have to do with *you* being a good person?

you might think that spreading “the word” is a good thing, but you are supposed to spread “the word” by *doing* good deeds, not telling people that they should do good things; not by believing that god made the universe; not by any *thing* …

A true christian would help people without even mentioning their faith, because having faith is beside the point, doing what your faith has taught you is the thing that supposedly gets these christians into heaven.

So when somebody goes on about creationism, it’s just the thing people say they believe in to say that they are good people.. people are conditioned to think that anything that is associated with christianity means that that makes them a good person.

but that wasn’t the point of what their Jesus supposedly taught, was it?

he taught that christians were to be good people by *doing* good things and not pretend to be good people by “spreading the word”, “just believing in Jesus”, “just reading the bible”, or believing creationism or la la la

Posted 2 July, 2011 by manabrau in atheism, bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse