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Prayer in School (christianity flaws #5)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #5
PRAYER IN SCHOOL

another in the series of fundamental flaws I have identified with christians following their christianity ….

FUNDAMENTAL FLAW #5 – PRAYER IN SCHOOL

What is the point of saying prayer in public schools any way? or any school for that matter, or in public at all?

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But let’s just forget that Jaaaayzuz basically taught that if you pray in public that you are actually bragging that you are a believer, because you are merely praying for the sake of being *Seen* giving your praise.

Do people attend prayer services so as to be seen so as to fit in with the flock and not have to be asked “why weren’t you in church on Sunday?” for the rest of the week?

And what does repeating some prayer teach a kid anyway? Does it teach the kids anything?

What exactly does reading the bible in some daily prayer service actually achieve anyway? What bits of the bible are they wanting to ‘teach’ anyway? all the hateful stuff of the Old Testament ?? Oh that will help the kids learn compassion, not!

Most of the “prayers” that I have seen from people online, have merely been thanks to Jesus, they give praise, as if to say

“LOOKATME!!! I believe in Jesus!””

What does saying praise to such and such do for kids?

If that’s what these prayers in school are supposed to be about then not only can you kick that person in the arse on the way out of the door, you can tell them as well that giving praise to something that they clearly know nothing about is idolatry! *sigh*

99.9% of religion is idolatry, well, that’s what it seems like. but then again, anyone getting their religion right wouldn’t be making a big deal out of it. So it is probably fair to say that any expression of a person’s religion is idolatry or very close to it. (Religion being the three biggest pains in the arse, Jewism, Christism, and Muhammadism)

Kids should be taught that praise is *earned*. Maybe kids would have a few less heroes that are sluts and rapists and molesters and drug addicts and bad singers if they didn’t so readily give praise where it’s not deserved and praising Jesus repeatedly serves no purpose but to brain wash a person into doing just that….

when you praise something so easily, you set yourself up for disappointment.

If a religion should be praised, then the kid should learn what the religion is about and praise should be given based upon it’s merits, the *good* qualities that that religion *teaches*.

Saying prayer is pointless if you don’t know the religion you follow, and by the sheer volume of people who just praise Jesus all the time, it’s clear that many people have missed the point and probably only identify as being christian in order to get eternal life.

You’re supposed to get good values and lessons out of your religion, not little mantras to repeat to yourself to remind you that when you die it’s not all over and that you didn’t waste your time on earth being a nobody, and religion is notorious for doing just that, making people feel like they are no good because every one is a sinner or some rubbish.

However, if all you do is say these little prayers of thanks to make you feel like a “good” person, then you will end up lying to yourself that you are a good person, because whether you actually are a good person is beside the point as you didn’t become a good person by saying prayers did you? you became a good person by the things you actually do.

I think that was the point of Matthew 6:5-8 and saying prayers in public is just a social thing to blend in under the premise of the whole “when we die we’ll all get to hang out together” and if you get that fear of god (death, infinity, the super-unknown) into the child, it’s easier to make those irrational fears hit critical mass as a child has far less control over their emotions than an adult.

Just saying praise also feeds the ego of the child, “I believe in Jesus – YOU DON’T – therefore *I* am morally superior to you!” … I’ve seen people claim this and yet these same people couldn’t tell you what the highest two commandments in christianity are ….

The bottom line is that the people who want prayer in school are showing their lack of faith, people aren’t going to church any more, so they need to get in and get at the kids to brain wash them at the only other place they can get at them, in the schools.

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Posted 15 August, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

Just saying you are christian is idolatry (christianity flaws #4)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #4
JUST SAYING YOU ARE CHRISTIAN IS IDOLATRY.

another in the series of fundamental flaws I have identified with christians following their christianity ….

By just saying that you are christian, or if you just say that someone needs Jesus, or you say that they need to read the bible, or they need to follow the lord, or saying that you have reached out and touched christ, or by saying some other religious christian mantra bullshit, you have NOT demonstrated what it is to be christian at all, you are *all* talk if this is what you think “being” christian. ergo, you are ANTI-christ …

The Christ character led by example, his actions spoke for him, so he didn’t need to go around insisting to people that he was a good person and then do the opposite like his “followers”.

He *was* a good person because that was *how* he lived his life. (according to the stories)

How many christians today live their lives even remotely like christ did?

Is that even possible in a western society? it’s just not practical to give all your stuff away!

Are you christ like? Do you constantly evaluate whether you are doing the right thing for the other person?

Do you even do that ONCE a day, or are you so caught up in the rat race of your selfishness trying to sell everyone your religiously self reaffirming mantras to everyone that you are a good person?

are you trying to tell us, or are you trying to convince yourself that you believe in Christ simply because YOU DON’T believe in Christ? could it be that all you ONLY believe in is “SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST!”???

That’s right, if you go around saying that you believe in Jesus, it’s an almost certainty that you are NOT being a Christ like person, because anyone being Christ like would not have time nor would they even need to tell everyone that they are christian or that we need to follow the bible, or that Jesus is lord or blabh lba hblah blahblah

therefore, if you are one of the Praise-Jesussers, you commit idolatry, because you are taking words, and spewing them into the air like they were meant to mean something.

Worse still, is that just saying that somebody should be a christian and then having some sort of outburst because you’re offended when they tell you to take a hike, is exactly the same thinking that can result in people being *killed* just because they disagree with somebody’s opinion

An emotional outburst over a FUCKING STORY is the *very* first step an individual can take towards a society that cowers in fear of the unknown. And fears that can not be rationalised can lead to a “mob justice” type of society (see the dark ages), because if you get enough like-minded fuck heads together getting upset that their precious feelings have been hurt, they will take the law into their own hands… I guarantee you that

what if two people demand that a third do what they say? then a fourth, and so on and so forth? Can you say hundreds of years inquisitions and crusades and reformations?

That sort of bullshit isn’t dead today, if enough people get offended when somebody insults their religion, that’s called a mob, remember Pakistan? How they protested in the streets over CARTOONS? and like most mobs, it’s reasonable to assume that most of those people NEVER saw those images by the way, so they had NO idea what they were protesting about, much like those people who protested Obama’s health reforms, they didn’t know SHIT about it when asked – and is no different to these fuck heads who denounce evolution by saying … “WE DID NOT COME FROM MONKEYS! THEREFORE EVOLUTION IS A LIE!”

Those mobs are driven mad by emotion, and that’s all religion is, it is pure mad emotion, there is no “actuality” to religion, and if there is something actual to your religion, then it is human made, end of story, and if you hold that *human* thing above what your religion teaches, then that’s idolatry.

Even your very own thoughts making assumptions about Jesus and god or whatever supreme being you worship is idolatry, they are thoughts that you have made up. They are *human* thoughts.

And seeing how the bible is of human origin, that makes every *bit* of it idolatry if you don’t *demonstrate* what you have been taught from the bible

that’s what the fucking bible says, fucking read it, if you don’t believe me

just saying “Jesus is LORD” is idolatry, because you are BRAGGING that that is supposed to mean something, it means nothing, and you are merely saying that you are a believer, so you are not *being* a believer, therefore it’s idolatry.

ie. you can’t just say you are christian – you MUST **be** christian in order to make the claim that you are christian …

Posted 12 August, 2010 by manabrau in Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse

the god v satan thing …. why now? (religiorant)   Leave a comment

RELIGIORANT

i’ve probably said similar before but, the question i have with all this god v satan thing is ….

why now?

god has been around for an eternity – supposedly – and Satan presumably nearly as long – but if we remember our story books, Satan is kicked out of heaven at some stage, or rather, forbidden from entering any more, the bible isn’t very clear on when this happened exactly ..

but ..

Satan actually made a visit to heaven in the book of Job, in fact, Satan tricks god into allowing him to punish Job .. I think the only people who are actually killed by Satan, are killed in the book of Job..

point being, Satan was in heaven apparently for a visit, which he apparently did quite often, so this makes me think the book of Job was from the time when Satan was still our “guardian” because at one stage god sent Satan (Lucifer) to watch over us with a third of angels of heaven

rumours are that god sent Lucifer to earth because he was jealous of him… Lucifer’s superior charm and wit, one would assume, was cramping god’s style…

but let me ask you this, if you created a life, as god supposedly did with Lucifer/Satan and all the other angels, would you not want your creation to be able to grow up and beyond your capabilities? why would god not be the same?

how often is a parent jealous of their children doing better than they ever did? I’ve no idea, but that happens right?

so what changed after all this time? what would make Satan suddenly at some point after the Book of Job, rise up and try to attack heaven?

why???

imagine if you had been sent to a planet by some authority and you spent a few thousand years watching over this planet of people, making sure… hmm… of what i don’t know, maybe another god coming along and kicking over god’s sand castle? hmmm….

but, regardless, imagine you’ve been watching this planet, then this authority who sent you to watch over them in the first place, suddenly decided to kill everyone on this planet you were looking after, what would you think of that?

i think i’d be rather annoyed and saddened, if someone came along and killed all the people I’d been assigned to look after, in fact, I think this is the *whole* dispute between god and satan.

so Lucifer/Satan’s god given assignment was to look out for us, but maybe it was decided that these angels who went to earth with Satan who “mated” with the local population had tainted the blood line and were assumed to be the cause of all the evil in the world..

after all that’s why the flood was sent, to rid the world of evil, right? that’s why god killed everyone, to wipe the blood line clean…. right?

but the thing is – god sent the flood, to clear out the blood line created by these “wicked” angels – so Satan, thought he would trust god, after all, god knows best.

So Lucifer/Satan went with the judgement of wiping out everyone on earth to be sure that a pure “human” race was created, done so as to prevent evil from returning, after all that’s why god sent the flood, to clear the world of evil…. (The serpent in the Garden, was rumoured to be a “wicked” angel called “Gadriel” and not Lucifer/Satan )

but god made a mistake, because after the flood evil persisted *anyway*, because even with a pure human blood line, humans were capable of evil..

oh and Adam and Eve were just a statistical anomaly … and Cain killing his brother was just a fluke (and why did Cain need to wear that mark to warn other people if he was one the first people to exist?)

so Satan/Lucifer eventually came to the conclusion that god’s reasoning for wiping out the people of earth was baseless, so Satan suddenly rose up and attacked heaven with his angels??

i doubt it was quite that simple

i think god was going to wipe us all out again for being corrupt

but Satan saw it coming this time, and this time Satan wasn’t going to let us humans be wiped out again and he rose up with his angels and did his job as assigned by god…

apparently that first battle between god and Satan was a draw

the natural assumption for me at this point, is that Lucifer has exceeded the capabilities of god, and finds it beneath him to put up with his cranky old-man.

this perfect god has become senile, cranky and deranged and has become sadistic in it’s love of inflicting deliberate pain upon us and Satan made god back off.

at this point Satan is bored of his old man and his bullshit, maybe Satan killed god, he’s been awful quiet of late, after all…

maybe Satan said to god, fuck you, I can do better than you can and then showed up as Jesus, to teach us compassion

but god didn’t like how this was turning out better than he could do, so god then sent his loyal angel Gabriel to reinstate the original eye for an eye sadistic bullshit with Islame by goading Muhammad into spreading the religion of hate.

Posted 8 August, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, satan

"god did it" is lazy … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

RELIGIORANT


note: i don’t mean to make these blogs so long, and some of them start as just one line, but every time I proof read, well, i keep adding stuff

some people feel the need to “know” how it all started

“it” being the meaning of life, the universe and everything.. so, if u must know where the universe came from, make something up, that’s what every one *else* has done, no one knows for sure, so jump on the band wagon and join in, and be *creative* ..

but ya know, the question is just so much fun, at this point, does it even matter if god put us here or not?

if we did *somehow* find out that god put us here, the next question would be *why*?? …. the point being is, at what point do we stop this line of thought that serves no fucking purpose in the first place?

we are here, apparently, it may not be much, but we are here, so what does it matter if there is a ‘who’ behind it all?

the *hard* bit about the concept of there actually being a cosmos is already out of the way, pinch yourself if you don’t think the cosmos exists!

but if you still want to “know” how we got here, then saying “god did it” is not knowledge, it’s an assumption, it’s a theory, it is a stab in the dark, but unlike scientific assumptions, theories and stabs in the dark, “god did it” has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever, and it serves no function to assume that “god did it” in the first place at all!!

because what’s the point in just *leaving* it as “god did it”!

how does that help us move forward in the life, the universe, and the everything?

this god supposedly gave us a brain, why would we expect that we aren’t supposed to use it? did god expect us to *only* sit around all day eat drink and be merry? what was the point in giving us a body if this is just a precursor to the afterlife?

If the afterlife was so important, it wouldn’t be called the “afterlife” – AFTER – LIFE – got it? means life is OVER – do we really think our thoughts and memories are going to go with us when we die?

your thoughts and memories are being stored in your physical brain, that is left behind when u die, people… that body isn’t going with you after you die

you offend your own intellect by being so lazy so as to not actually think about god and the afterlife and make at least some *reasonable* assumptions, even saying “I don’t know” is a more intelligent thing to say than “god did it”, if you are a goddiditter, then you make one big *unreasonable* assumption.

If you don’t know an answer to something, then say I DON’T KNOW…

If some one asks you something and you say “I don’t know” you are being honest, if you make something up based on your feelings and opinions, it’s very likely that you are telling a lie, although you wouldn’t think that because a lie is often not a lie from the liar’s point of view.

in fact, “I don’t know” is the best thing to think about god, because assuming “knowledge” of something pertaining to god is probably an offence to your god, that’s probably because making assumptions about god means that you create your own version of god in your mind. So this god in your brain, ends up being what you’ve previously heard about god, plus this “god did it” assumption you just made or more than likely, you are repeating someone else’s “god did it” assumption

a “real life” example: if you assume something about someone, then your thoughts about that person are potentially different to the actual person, at least until you find out first hand yourself if your assumption about that someone was indeed correct

but you are bound to be wrong, especially if you had never met that person, nor heard their acoustically registrable voice speak, or had even seen a picture of them, and the only vague likeness of them, a painting, that was from four hundred years ago.

So your idea of that person would not be the same as that actual person when you finally found out the truth about them, would it?

therefore, the person you imagine in your mind, was not the actual person, it was a shoddy copy of that person you had made up with your assumptions.

Your idea was basically correct about that person, kind of, sort of, looked a bit like, but this copy of this person in your mind was *wrong*, and it is made *wrong* by even the tiniest little assumption you make about that person. Although, it’s more likely that you weren’t that creative, and you’ve just believed the gossip somebody has just told you about that person

And yes, the subtle point if you didn’t get it, is that the bible, the qu’ran, the torah, etc, well, it’s ALL gossip about god

all of which is pointless from an intellectual point of view – and being able to use your brain’s intellect is how you get a job is it not? using your brain is how you make a living, isn’t it?..

you would give yourself a head start in life by not assuming that god did anything at all, or if you must believe in god, just go with the god made *Everything* and let it rest at that, so when science comes along and explains something, it won’t be stepping on your faith.

and to be honest, if you are worried that humans are going to become cleverer than god, then that is your *problem* and you are making it ours as well.. and you know what that problem is? it’s that this god you created in your brain, was *limited* by your *own* creativity, because you went and assumed this thing about god in the first place or you never thought about it at all!

go look at employment statistics if you think “god did it” is useful – how many people got a job because “god did it” lent some credence to an occupation?? oh priests? really? one person in a hundred thousand would be a priest, great job opportunities and career paths there (*sarchasm* [sic])

if you don’t use your brain’s ability to think for itself when you’re a kid, it’ll stagnate, if you don’t use it when you are an adult, it’ll STAGNATE, and then you can be one of the worker types, the ones who just move through life like cattle, just going through the motions in life for the sake of life, you’ll be one of those types that are having their jobs replaced by computers, the “goddiditters” are deliberately being one of those types who will become a *burden* on society if they haven’t already, because they are *unskilled*

there is nothing more draining on an economy that spends money on people with no return on that investment, and to be one of those people deliberately, then you are using your religious beliefs to justify being a SLACKER.

So we have these goddiditter slacker people, who have the audacity to insist that non-believers explain where the universe came from, and yet, rather than *think* about it themselves, they just repeat what somebody else has assumed, that’s being a sheep, that’s being intellectually lazy cattle…

can you say MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ?

The same people then scoff at any notion a non-believer presents, with that notion usually being something like “oh it had to be more complicated than just ‘god did it’!!!”!! ..

Is the believer out right admitting that they haven’t even thought about how “god did it” either? or maybe they have thought about it and refuse to acknowledge how ludicrously stupid their belief is?

“la la la la la la I am not listening to you Jeffrey la la la la la” –[Eddie Murphy – “Beverly Hills Cop”]

The dead-set believer will also scoff at the notion that the universe was always here or just appeared out of the nothing at some point, yet they would have us believe the even more unlikely notion that god was always here and made the universe just appear out of the nothing at some point.

Hypocrite much?

Point is, if you are just going to say “god did it”, don’t fucking bother even saying it out loud, as you are helping to retard the intellectual development of the entire planet with your intellectually lazy “god did it” mantras…

“god did it” is not using your mind, what was that quote? “a mind is a terrible thing to waste”, i wonder if that person was talking about religion and i wonder how many children never grew up to be scientists because they were told early on in life that “god did it”, implying to them to not bother to think about the universe. ( actually that quote was from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund#The_UNCF_motto )

so rather than wondering about something intellectually, thus building all those tiny neural pathways adapted to rational and critical thinking, instead, a highway of one-way thinking gets constructed where all roads lead to the “god did it” wasteland of unused brain matter

And seriously, if god made the universe 6000yrs ago, then who is to say that god didn’t just make the universe at the very moment you finish reading this sentence?

what do you think about that?

If god was so brilliant, all those memories we have of all those events in our lives, could have all been created in our memories, like a computer program already in motion and we are just all the characters that have been created for the game, some of us in cars, watching tv, hunting fish, collecting fresh water, whatever, it already has a vast history “database” and by exploring it we add to the history “database”… have you played massively multiplayer games? World of Warcraft perhaps? have we not considered that if “god did it” then god is just some programmer who made the universe, and set it running by clicking an icon?

if god is so brilliant, that task is not beyond god’s powers, and some of the religious have *already* accepted as *fact* that this is exactly what god has done ALREADY, in that god has made the universe “as is”!… eg. fossil and geologic records clearly indicate the world is older than 6000yrs (oh the devil put those fossils there to tempt us) and light from things further than 6000 light years away would be appearing in the sky all the time. for instance: Eta Carina is 7500light years away, so if the universe was made 6000 years ago, the light from Eta Carina still wouldn’t have reached us yet and would not reach us for about another 1500 years..

so not only did god have to make the universe 6000yrs ago, it also had to create, or trick us into thinking that somehow all the events that appear to have happened *before* that, did actually happen, eg. the Andromeda galaxy is about 2.5million light years away, god would have to create the light shining from that galaxy for such that it looked like it came from the Andromeda galaxy for 2.494 million light years of space…

in other words, if the universe is 6000 years old, then we are seeing light from distant objects, that *never* actually came *from* those objects, the light we see, was created “in transit”, it would mean that god created the universe such as to trick or fool us into thinking the universe was much older than 6000 years ..

so if god *did* make the universe 6000 years ago, then god is lying to us, because every time we look into the night sky, we see LIES, FABRICATIONS, MISINFORMATION … and seeing how complex and massive the universe is, then god went to an awful lot of trouble to tell us one very very VERY massively big lie.

So if go around telling people that god *did* do it, then you are asking people to believe in magic, either that or we are just some computer simulation that has been switched on at some arbitrary point

this is what you are asking people who like to think about stuff rationally when you say “god did it”. you are asking us to believe YOUR lies that you quite happily tell to yourself.

So, according to the goddiditters, we are here because of magic, or we are some living simulation brought into existence because somebody decided to click on the “RUN” icon, that’s what “god did it” means

and people find the concept of god *not* existing to be offensive?? clearly those people have not thought about what they are saying

So if you *really* want to know where the universe came from, why don’t you actually think about it and come up with some ideas yourself, and maybe if we all put our ideas together, we’ll get “there” a *whole* *lot* sooner

and the sooner we get “there”, the sooner those with their “god did it” mantras can feel safe as it becomes more and more apparent that no matter how much we know, we are NOT going to get “there”, and that this supposed all powerful god of theirs is *still* more powerful than humans, but maybe by then their little egos won’t get over inflated by thinking they have a direct connection to the creator of the universe who will look out for them when they die such that their little souls won’t get lost and roam about the universe aimlessly forever…

*face*palms*

it’s astounding (time is fleeting) that people get worried when science starts to step into those places that were previously identified as a “god did it” realm, madness, takes control.

and ya know, just because something is explained, it does *not* discount that god did *not* do it anyway!!! how fickle one’s beliefs have to be that someone can rattle them by explaining some science thing?

UNIVERSE IN A NUTSHELL

so in the spirit of making shit up based on reasonable assumptions…

i propose this, and no it’s not science, in fact I would be reluctant to even call it weird science, but i’ve not heard any explanation for any of this whole universe origin thing and, like the point of the blog, “god did it” is just not an option, it’s LAZY, even “I don’t know” is a more credible answer than “god did it”..

“I don’t know” implies that you have at least accepted the enormity of the universe, but it just doesn’t bother you or that you’ll get back to the question when time permits you because it’s just not that important to actually living a life!

The point of the exercise is to think about it, without plugging in some far fetched stab in the dark, at least have a stab in the dark by attempting to put some light on what you are stabbing at!!

so here we go…

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

the empty vastness of space goes forever, forget our small universe, it’s just one small bit of the cosmos, what i’m talking about, is what is beyond that and beyond that and well, you get the idea.

outer space, has a “negative” force to it, a “sucking effect”, it tries to take objects and spread them apart, this is not a problem for solid rock-like matter, but for gases and other low density matter that doesn’t have a central point of gravity to hold it together, outer space will tend to make those gases or liquids spread out.

This is demonstrated by our need to have space craft with sturdy hulls as outer space tries to suck the air out of the craft and into outer space where the gases would spread themselves out.

In fact, the “dark energy” that is apparently expanding our universe at an ever faster rate, may very well just be that negative force of empty space trying to spread everything apart. if you think of galaxies as if they were individual molecules of air it may help you to visualise it, because after all, if the universe is infinite in size, then a galaxy would be little more than an atom in size, probably less actually.

So the simplest explanation I can imagine as to where the matter came from and why anti-matter didn’t wipe it out: there was “rip” in empty space itself caused by that negative sucking effect of trillions of empty light years of space against a trillion light years of empty space and that rip created a great ribbon of energy which created a whole lot of matter and anti-matter, most of which annihilated itself against each other, but perhaps an unequal ratio of matter and anti-matter (favouring matter) got sucked into the rip in the space before all the anti and regular matter had a chance to pair up and cancel itself out against each other.

of course there are questions here: if the entire cosmos is infinite in size, why hasn’t this “rip” been and gone and been done with already? perhaps because it’s happening all over the cosmos, it didn’t just make our universe, it made, makes, and is making, universes all the time, every day a universe the size of our own could be born and one could die off and they could be so far away that the light *never* reaches us, having been red shifted into oblivion.

and when one universe burns out the matter made by it will drift around for ever … dead … cold … until it makes it’s way into the next universe as debris or maybe it will get sucked up into a black hole, and who knows, maybe black holes can get too big and end up exploding too…

and maybe that was what the “rip” in space was in the first place, gravity got so strong, space not only collapsed into a black hole, but there was so much gravity, it ripped apart space… maybe there is a point where gravity becomes so strong that gravity itself can’t escape, and booooom….. big rip, big bang. big crunch, big … whatever

and why doesn’t this ripping keep happening in our bit of the universe? gravity stops space itself ripping apart, so when there is a significant amount of mass in a particular bit of space, it stops space itself from ripping apart, that matter keeps space “together”

the point is to *think*, and not be lazy with that brain and to have fun, my guess above is far more intellectually based than “god did it”, and who knows, that wild idea above could very much be wrong, but it could inspire a line of thinking that leads to an actual shred of truth, which is far more useful than “god did it”..

Assuming that people are not christian (christianity flaws #3)   Leave a comment

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN FLAW #3
ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE ARE *NOT* CHRISTIANS

another in the series of fundamental flaws I have identified with christians following their christianity ….

FUNDAMENTAL FLAW #3 – ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE ARE *NOT* CHRISTIANS

This kind of fits in with the previous FLAW, imagine a scenario where person “A” walks up to person “B” in the street, in an effort to spread the “good news”…

A: You need Jesus Christ in your life!
B: Ohhhhhh.. Jeeesus… wow… thanks man! that’s exactly what I wanted all my life. Sheeesh, Jesus! d’oh!!! I was just trying to think what this thing was that was missing in my life! Thanks! and it was oh sooo simple, I never would have guessed that I needed Jesus in my life. wow I didn’t know what was missing, thanks dude! You really saved my life. Bless you, in the name of Jesus Christ, our LORD!

“B” shakes the hand of “A”, and “B” walks away down the street… “A” is too stupid to realise that “B” has just ‘had a go’ at “A” in a light hearted punishment for being such an assuming bastard for not first checking if “B” was already a believer, but “B” didn’t find it necessary to tell everybody about it by “spreading the word”, he spread the word, by being *nice* to people…

*rolls*eyes*

And when I refer to “christians”, like in the example above, I’m talking about the busy bodies, Jesus this, Jesus that, the “you’re going to hell” mob, the god hates this-god hates that crowd, you need Jesus, the ten commandments this, the ten commandments that, god is all powerful, god is blah blah, god is great!

ahem!!

these are things that we are *told*, not discussed with, we are *told* these things.

It’s not a dialogue about the teachings of Jesus, we are just told these little mantras. “Praise Jesus” “Trust in God” blah balh .. go read the bible … blah blah blah .. you must believe in Jesus to read the bible … blah lbah lbah lbah

We aren’t told anything of benefit, we are commanded to follow *their* will, just because they say it, they are assuming that we will come to Jesus just by saying his name, because slapping on the “Jesus” label somehow validates that assumption for them, but doesn’t make it so to us…

anyone that passionate about their Jesus should know what was most important, but no, they have obviously assumed quite a lot… perhaps they heard that Jesus loves everyone, and maybe in their world, they are everyone… but that’s still an assumption that errs in the favour on the selfish christian, who was supposedly taught to be selfless.

and what’s the point of that mantra thing anyway? you don’t learn anything by repeating phrases, parrots repeat phrases too..

Just being told something and following it – well – that’s called “Blind Faith”

All of these little mantras people come up with, they’re basically assumptions.

They are assumptions, because at the base level, when people say these little mantras like Jesus is *LORD* (or Allah Ackbah, or any random religious phrase) they expect that other people will know what that phrase means

By assuming that other people already know what you are talking about, you are ignoring what you have supposedly learnt about Jesus, and instead you are just saying that you follow Jesus, and assuming somehow that the person you are trying to recruit already *know* exactly what it is that you are trying to talking about!! ie. So somehow, the figure of Jesus is more important than what he taught, because if the teachings of Jesus were more important than praising him, you would *be* christ-like, instead of merely insisting to everyone that you are christian!!!

The loudest christians have totally lost the plot with their own religion, because to just say that you are christian, or just assume that other people will believe in what you say without demonstrating what it means to be christian, well that is *idolatry*, because you are holding up the *label* “christian” out in front of you as if it’s supposed to mean something to everyone equally.

IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING

If you think it does, then think *again*…

Clearly, by the example set by so many people purporting to be “christian”, that just being a christian means absolutely nothing to the non-believer, clearly even being “christian” can sometimes mean nothing to the person saying it.

In fact, by the example set by certain other “christians”, just saying that you are christian is enough to be an insult to those how know about the history of christianity, ie. crusades, the inquisitions, the reformation, witch hunts, dark ages, blah blah blah, there is little to be proud of that you could not have learnt yourself anyway without having all the baggage of a religion attached to it

A truly “good” christian would acknowledge the religious bullshit of the past, and would not gloss over it by disassociating with previous christian behaviour by saying that they are different to them, that they were not true christians, or that they where Catholics, or that wouldn’t happen today, or that things were different back then, blah blah blah…

how do we think all this christian religious “holier than thou” bullshit started in the first place?

because one lot of people made the assumption that they were better than the other lot.

they *assumed* that it was them that were the true believers, just like people do when they just assume other people are not christians, just like when christians assume they are better somehow than these christian people from the past.

By ignoring this, the christians are just setting themselves up for repeating history.

One dark ages was enough, thanks, and it’s bad enough that we have to put up with the muslims and their dark ages today, don’t bring back a christian one.

Assuming someone is not a christian, is one of the biggest mistakes christians make when spreading the word, christians have already put me off ever being christian because they have cheapened the word so much with their assumptions that they have ruined it for everyone

and ya know, just because someone doesn’t go around saying they are christian, doesn’t mean that they are not, in fact, a true christian would not feel compelled to announce their faith in the first place as they would be too busy doing good deeds to have time to sit around and make up assumptions about other people and be declaring that they are christian…

Posted 2 August, 2010 by manabrau in bible, Christianity, god, jesus, Religion Sux Arse