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the free will aspect of religion … (religiorant)   Leave a comment

the free will aspect of religion, is quite an interesting one, and to me, shows the biggest flaw in the whole god story, at least the christian/judeo/islameo one

god supposedly gave us free will, right?

so “in the beginning” it’s possible that by giving us free will, god may have just given up the ability to interfere with our lives, let’s just say, effectively a “we are on our own” sort of deal, so we get to make our own choices and make our way into heaven or not, a “test”, as that is the apparent goal of being in a religion, to get to “heaven” in the afterlife at least in the christian story, we need to earn it to get in, by being good ppl… apparently

so let’s cut god some slack at first as god may just know every trillion possible things we might do, but it isn’t sure what we will actually do… so, god, could only guess that we would screw up but hope for the best.. so god makes Adam and Eve, and the evidence of what we do with “free will” starts to accumulate

but Adam and Eve screwed up, Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and Adam went and ate from it too, after being told not to, free will and such.. so thus far 100% of god’s “perfect” creation have stuffed up.. not looking so perfect now, so god punishes these two for screwing up, but you know, let’s cut god a little bit more slack, because now god knows to expect us to screw up, and punishing us was designed to make us behave…

so then Adam and Eve have a couple of kids, Cain and Abel, and eventually Cain goes and kills Abel.. #fail .. so 75% of god’s first four “perfect” creations stuff up, and the other 25% was murdered..

god is off to such a fantastic start, wasn’t it?

so given the extreme failure rate of god’s “free will” experiment in the first four attempts, instead of interfering and giving Adam and Eve and Cain a set of commandments to live their lives by … “thou shalt not murder” would have been a good one for Cain, but no, god doesn’t do anything.. oh he puts a mark on Cain’s head, to warn the *other* people he might encounter.. ahem… what other people? where did the other ppl come from again? anyhooo

so then we run amok for another 1000yrs or so, mating with demons and giants and such, but then god suddenly decides that it needs to eliminate the earth of “evil” because apparently it exists because we are half demons or something, and the blood line needs to be restored to perfect again or something like that … you know, I’m not sure what evil is but Cain having sex with his mother is rather evil i think, because just who did Cain marry anyway? but anyhooo

so god wipes out every creature on earth except for two of every creature to repopulate the earth (i won’t mention inbreeding again or ask how the Kangaroos and Koalas got to Australia from Mt Frikking Ararat, either)

god gave us free will? if this is true, the “great flood” is testament to the fact that god fucked up, there is no polite way to say it.. if we had free will, then god killing everyone on earth, well, doesn’t that mean god forfeited our “free will”, god made a mistake by allowing evil to exist, god thought it was clever and knew all, perhaps god did know everything, but let us become evil anyway.. perhaps god let it’s *ego*, in arrogance, convince itself it could do this whole universe thing just as well as all the other gods do in their universes …

but … what does god do after the flood? nothing! why didn’t god give some commandments over to Noah? that way “everyone on earth” would have had the opportunity to learn at least some desert morals ..

but no, god didn’t, god let us descend into blasphemy and debauchery *again*, knowing full well that there was a very good chance we would anyway, but perhaps god told it’s ego again in pride, that “that evil thing won’t happen again!!!” but then after a 1000yrs or so of that, god gets jack of it and sends Moses down the Nile, to then lead the Israelites into and out of the desert or something like that, along the way picking up the 10 commandments, finally we get moral instructions..

so god, gave us free will, but after 3000yrs of that, god suddenly and finally finds a clue, and gets the idea that we need guidance… derrrr

*that* should have been very obvious to god after the first four ppl, Adam / Eve / Cain / Abel .. but no, god thought he’d hang back and hope (more arrogance and pride?) that we’d get better at this whole “life” thing, but after all that time of seeing our failures, like when every person at that very nanosecond when we make a wrong decision, god goes “NOOOO!!!! don’t do that!!.. awwwwww…. he went and *did* that!” as if god is watching us like we do when we watch some sort of dramatic TV show…

so god gave us some hints with the ten commandments… “free will” to do things other than these ten things.. but how did that ten commandments thing go anyway? not very well, seeing how god sent Jesus! this time dumbing it down to just *two* commandments, and how did that go? by the 500s the thousand years of intellectual vacuum was well under way with the dark ages, thanks god

so this perfect jealous god keeps making stuff ups this entire time, with everyone on earth pay for that mistake at one stage!?!? i don’t think so, if god was “perfect”, as is written, then god would not have changed tactics every thousand years or so … a perfect god would be able to move two molecules of hydrogen together to set off a chain reaction and have everything perfect align itself exactly how god imagined it a trillion trillion years later …

oh.. but of course, it’s all easily explained by us being the masters of our *own* destinies and that god is something we just made up to *blame* and *thank* when we have no idea what else to do, so this god being, is “just a story” all made up by man, because if god was perfect, we would be none the wiser about it, but this god ppl speak about *is* flawed, which points the finger right back at it’s flawed creator… us!

the most popular book on earth “the bible”, is flawed right from it’s first page … in the beginning god makes the light, but then a couple of days later … god makes the sun … which makes the light …

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there is no such thing as an atheist, not really (religiorant)   Leave a comment

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there is no such thing as an atheist, not really

started 31st March 2010…

i don’t consider my an atheist .. nor do i think about myself as being “spiritual” and i certainly don’t fit the model of a religious person either … but having said that, atheist is still probably the nearest term used to describe my lack of belief, but atheism is not a label i would wear, coz it doesn’t mean anything to me, so why would I call myself an atheist?

but don’t worry if you do call yourself an atheist, some people *hate* atheism, the same ppl that tout a philosophy of love and tolerance for everyone, I do believe.

So that’s one reason to call yourself an atheist, it *pisses* religious people off, but there is also another reason to actually call yourself an atheist, and that’s to let it be known that it’s OK to be an atheist, maybe I just had an open upbringing, because it never occurred to me either way that believing or not believing, *actually* mattered.

and for those two reasons, I would call myself an atheist, because there is great satisfaction in doing NOTHING and knowing that doing NOTHING and that believing in NOTHING actually *pisses* the religious off!

religion is dying, the fact that the mere existence of non-believers is enough to rattle the unshakeable faith of the “faithful” is more than enough of a pathetic example to show that religion is in it’s death throes… if there really is a biblical god, then god is going to far more pissed at those people claiming to be believers but have their faith rattled by *NOTHING*, than those who admit upfront that they don’t know what to think about god or those who deny it’s existence outright.

so just what does atheism mean to me??

“atheism” doesn’t really mean that much to me, but I did briefly call myself an atheist, but that was just a fad to “fit” in

now I’m not going to grab a dictionary and cut and paste that definition to you, because it’s obvious to me that the definition of atheism is so far up in the air, that far more meaning is given to the term “atheism” than it deserves, regardless of the dictionary definition. eg. amongst other things, the following have been labelled as “atheist” things

communism, fascists, russians, germans, nazis, stalin, hitler, evolution, genocide, eugenics, racial purity blah blah blah.. the list goes on… somehow, all of these things are linked to atheism, but how can that be? they should not be!! …. but thanks to idiotic assumptions and prejudices from judgemental “christians”, they are associated with atheism *anyway*

This misunderstanding of what atheism is, is often demonstrated, and it’s not something that we should let slide either, so seeing how everyone else is making up their own definition of “atheism”, I’m going to use *my*own* definition as well, but let’s see if you agree with it first…

Atheism is the complete lack of believing in any god and/or any religion..

simple right? what part of that is too complicated for the mentally challenged “christians” out there?

It should be simple, because in other words, there is nothing to atheism *apart* from the negative assertion of not believing in god or religion, so it can’t be any much more simpler than *nothing*.

If atheism was somehow my job, I would be paid to do nothing!

My definition of atheism is such that .. NOBODY SHOULD EVEN NEED TO SAY THAT THEY ARE AN ATHEIST, because, in essence, you aren’t declaring what you are, you are declaring what you are NOT, and since when do people go around say things that they aren’t?

I know for a fact that some christians go around telling ppl they believe in christ, they tell me all the time, with the often obvious and rude implication, that *I* should too.

And let us not forget that these ppl have assumed that i was not a christian in the first place (heard of Matthew Chapter 7 Verse 1 much?) because they didn’t *ask* me if I believed or not when they have told me to believe in Jesus!! no, what they did was took one look at me, and thought “OH MY GOD!! *HE* NEEDS JESUS RIGHT NOW!” .. that’s rude, if your dumbarse didn’t realise!

Now I know I wasn’t a very church going little christchimp, but ppl telling me to believe in Jesus, were *exactly* the ppl who turned me off the whole thing… moral of the story, shut the fuck up before you put anybody else off your religion, oh wait that’s *right*, you can’t HELP YOURSELF… so carry on destroying your religion… it’s hilarious…

LABELS ARE STUPID ANYWAY

So to the stupidity of labelling yourself an atheist, urrr.. you don’t go around telling people that you are *not* wearing a hat do you? that you are *not* a stamp collector, that you are *not* an astronaut, that you are *not* going to have bacon, eggs and sausages for dinner, do you? Do you walk up to pretty girls or handsome guys and tell them that you are *not* gay or straight, depending which way your spoon bends, do you?

well?

So why then, do you need to *tell* people that you are NOT religious? Why do you need to tell people that you do NOT believe in god? why do u need to tell ppl that you do NOT follow the bible/qu’ran/torah?

You should only ever mention these things when it’s the topic of conversation, and you should never be the one to start that conversation either, as it should *never* occur to you to say out of the blue that you are an atheist in the same way that Jesus followers insist that they are “christians”, and those “christians” should not need to do that either, being a christian should be fucking obvious by how overly noice and helpful they are being!

Oh thanks for helping me pick up my books off the ground, you *must* be a christian..

Part of the problem, is that atheists GIVE a positive answer when they are asked what their beliefs are, you don’t have beliefs if you are an atheist (well at least supernatural beliefs) and your answer SHOULD reflect this.

When people ask you what your religion is, you should NEVER say “atheism” as your religion. *EVER*

You *should* say, “I don’t believe in anything” .. or if you want to simplify it even further, say “NONE” or “NOTHING!” .. or better still… shrug your shoulders as if to say “religion? what’s that? isn’t that that thing that caused the dark ages?”

or even better still *yet* – tell them that you are human, and then ask them in return “What are you? are you not a human first before your religion? because if you are not, then you can fuck off with trying to speak to me from this point onwards…”

Humanity *trumps* religion, put your religion before humanity, and *you* are belittling humanity, and seriously, that’s the exact attitude that caused the dark ages.

and when somebody asks you, “oh, so you’re an atheist then?”

you then say “Well, if that’s what you want to label me, then sure, knock yourself out, if you feel a need to categorise me as an atheist…”

The first time somebody called me an atheist, I said, “atheist? What’s that?”

So given the definition I gave above for atheism, do you not belittle yourself by saying that you are an atheist?

“Belittle myself?!?! what what what?!?! what *do* you mean??!?!?”

Well, all these religious types, who declare what their religion is, are actually saying “I’m such and such, and *everything* that goes along with that such and such, well, that’s part of me too”

often whaty they are saying is, “I am better than you!” and worse is that they don’t realise it, their arrogance is so entrenched that they see their religious intolerant ideals as “normal”.

This is arrogance, do not fall into the arrogance pit as well, as that’s the problem with religious people, they assume their truth is *the* truth, by saying you are an “atheist” you are making some declaration to them that you are smarter than they are, which you probably are according to statistics, but there is no need to brag about it as that creates divisions in society as well, with the “atheist elite”, which is exactly what *religion* has already done, with their “religious elitist” (lack of) thinking.

From another point of view, by answering “atheism” to the “what is your religious affiliation” question, you *are* asserting that you believe in nothing, which dumb fuck religious artards then take LITERALLY… and what do they come up with since you have said you have no beliefs? those fuck heads claim that you have no morals whatsoever, that you have no soul, that you are a brutal animal driven by instincts only, that you are Hitler’s love child, or indeed, that you are Satan herself.

If atheism had an atomic number, it’s number would be ZERO, *not* 666

And the fact is, they are *right* – you’ve played into their little game by putting “atheism” up on the same pedestal as a religion and *anything* can beat atheism in a battle of morals, because atheism *has* no morals, it teaches no such thing, there are no holy books, no dogma, no bishops, no priests fucking little boys and girls in the mouth, no doctrines….

atheism has NO identifiable parts.

Frankly I’m tempted to call myself an atheist for the EXPLICIT purpose of pissing religious people off, seeing how I *know* that doing NOTHING causes some of the religious much grief, because if i was purely an atheist, I would have no emotions, no morals, I would be a robot.. in fact.. I would probably have to be god to truly be an atheist… and we all know god is an atheist, I mean there was no religion a million years ago and god is supposedly eternal, right?

If atheism was a temperature, it would be absolute zero..

So when smart arse christians speculate that I have no morals whatsoever, they should be thankful that they are LYING and that I do actually have some morals, because if I didn’t, I wouldn’t think twice about dropping a nuke on the spot they are standing on, because what “true” atheist would hesitate to eliminate people who are a pain in the arse? there would be nothing they had learnt to hold them back, seeing how they were *never* taught any better!

Atheists have morals, atheism does NOT

So, you should probably stop calling atheism a religion, because some religious freaks are just too fucking dumb to get that atheists get their moral guidance from other things.

Atheism is *supposed* to be about individuality, you can’t be an individual if you write a label on yourself, especially a label that doesn’t ACTUALLY MEAN ANYTHING.

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MANDY: All right. Here he is, then. Come on, Brian. Come and talk to them.
BRIAN: But, Mum. Judith.
MANDY: Now, leave that Welsh tart alone.
BRIAN: But I don’t really want to, Mum.
FOLLOWERS: Brian! Brian! Brian!…
BRIAN: Good morning.
FOLLOWERS: A blessing! A blessing! A blessing!…
BRIAN: No. No, please! Please! Please listen. I’ve got one or two things to say.
FOLLOWERS: Tell us. Tell us both of them.
BRIAN: Look. You’ve got it all wrong. You don’t need to follow me. You don’t need to follow anybody! You’ve got to think for yourselves. You’re all individuals!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we’re all individuals!
BRIAN: You’re all different!
FOLLOWERS: Yes, we are all different!
DENNIS: I’m not.
ARTHUR: Shhhh.
FOLLOWERS: Shh. Shhhh. Shhh.
BRIAN: You’ve all got to work it out for yourselves!
FOLLOWERS: Yes! We’ve got to work it out for ourselves!
BRIAN: Exactly!
FOLLOWERS: Tell us more!
BRIAN: No! That’s the point! Don’t let anyone tell you what to do! Otherwise– Ow! No!
MANDY: Come on, Brian. That’s enough. That’s enough.