non-believer tolerance of believers? TAKE 1 (religiorant)   Leave a comment


-TAKE-1- should non-believers be tolerant of believers?

this was a previous attempt that went off on a tangent coz i kept coming up with ideas as to what was intolerant, seemed a waste to not post it … 15th December 2009


on the one hand we’ve got the vast majority of people that are religious who don’t say a word about the whole god and religion debate.. yet they still call themselves “religious”, or at least, followers of a religion, or at the very very least, at each census, suddenly remember, “oh yeah, I’m a catholic”, or something like that..

however the majority aren’t the source of the problem – so by bitching about religion – non-believers don’t refer specifically to the majority – so there is no *need* for non-believers to be tolerant of the majority… we don’t even know who they are coz they’re being meek and not making a scene..

but let me put this out there first:::

christians, muslims, jews – all claim that theirs is the religion of love and peace and happiness and tolerance and blah blah blah, right??

yeah well, I’m not seeing it…

and non-believers, allegedly, have no “source” for learning tolerance and love and peace, HEY! that’s what the christbigots tell me *often* and then they tell me that the christinsanity people *DO* have a source to learn all their morals from, that they brag about all the time… right? that’s what these idiots do online insistently ….

what was it called again… a bibble ? something like that

point being is that christians don’t have excuses for being ARSEHOLES – they have been told how to act – quite explicitly by the most popular book in the world, that bibble of theirs!! the very first book printed – if they don’t “get” their religion after 400 years (we’ve had English for 400yrs, so effectively the regular person could have had access to the bible for their own perusal for about 400yrs) and can’t even be bothered to act even partially as their religion instructs, then they should probably stop pretending to be christian, or they could still be christians, but just with a failing grade.

but the religious majority being tolerant of other people, isn’t a problem, and non-believers generally don’t lock horns with the religious majority either – in fact, not giving a rat’s arse about what some body else does is being tolerant – apathy – what humans are BEST at, can be viewed as tolerance … you could be very much anti-gay, a ‘FAG’ hater if you will, but if you just couldn’t be bothered to bother “the gays” in the first place – you are actually being tolerant …

fact of the matter is that I’ve *not* said a *lot* of things for fear of offending the spineless people out there and going through the motions of being nice – aka tolerance – is often a waste of time, especially when the person arguing with me is supposed to be tolerant, and especially when, according to *my* “religion” (LOL!) I have no morals at all…


and what is it that we see from these christbigots, who are easily the loudest percentile of the religion of love, tolerance, respect and various other clichés about feeling warm and fuzzy???


Hatred of all kinds of people who are different – even SLIGHTLY different – in fact if you are only slightly different – you are the biggest target for intolerance from your now ex-brethren … because you’ve recently left the fold, fundies insist on trying to bully you back to the land of Jesus …. some of these fundies feel it so important that believe in Christ, that they will even encourage you to off yourself for straying even slightly from believing in Jesus…

that’s pretty fucked up right there ..

how is *that* being tolerant? these people want to be the mouth pieces of christianity and yet don’t want to tolerate non-believers? urrr?

so there we go – if the group of people that are TAUGHT to be tolerant, are still not tolerant, then why the fuck should non-believers even *try* to be tolerant, especially when believers can’t even be tolerant of their fellow christians?!?!

could it be that because non-believers are not so arrogant about believing in a fantasy, that they tend to think about other people’s concerns a lot more than say, those with the selfish need to keep making affir-fucking-mations that they believe in Jayyyyzus?… that they have a soul, that Allah Ackbar isn’t the local pub, that they have a rightful ownership to the holy land. ra ra ra ra ra ra

if you are hateful to anybody at all, you do not get to call yourself a christian, how can you justify that? what are you thinking? are you thinking you’re “Christ-like”? well, you are not, you are a disgusting liar if you think you are christ like and even slightly hate one person.. if you make empty threats on behalf of your god, you are *still* being hateful as well.

“Laugh it up non-believer! But if you don’t believe in Jesus we’ll see who’ll be laughing last!!!”

that is a *threat* – an idle spineless threat but a threat still the same – people make threats when they are angry and can’t win an argument, the threat is an “ace in the hand” that is pulled out as a sign of desperation and frustration

if you said that shit to my face I would ask you to explain exactly what you mean right then and there.

You make a threat on behalf of the little god creature running around in your brain and it is still a threat from *YOU*.

And that is the “truth” – non-believers should see no difference between being threatened by a person for whatever reason, and being threatened by a person on behalf of their god, because the only place this god exists is in their minds, therefore it is them that is making the threat.

And seriously, if there is a god, you insult god by pretending to speak for it with empty threats. Making threats in the name of god is the same as speaking for god itself, therefore you make yourself out to be god, meaning you have raised yourself above the position of god and you have spoken in lieu of god speaking itself.

What was that first commandment? Exodus 20:3 “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” … You want to hope that god doesn’t exist, how many times a day do you break the first commandment?

see, right there … I just couldn’t be what is commonly termed “christian”, I’m far too honest, so I don’t pretend to be religious, as it’s all based on lies.

And the point here, is that even verbal christian empty abuse and threats of any kind should not be tolerated, as the violence has to start somewhere. verbal threats are merely the first step towards more violent behaviour.

this behaviour has been documented very well. a child who pulls the wings of flies, graduates to hurting birds, then hurts puppies, then cats, then dogs, then horses, then humans, well documented psychological behaviour, where one starts with a seemingly innocuous or harmless act, but they keep moving on to more violent behaviour.

and i’ve seen this from fundy christians on myspaz, when they lose their arguments, they make threats, then they collect IP address, look you up on facebook, send their friends to pretend to be your friend to spy on you, but every time they keep crossing the line just a little bit more, until eventually they make death threats against you for disagreeing with them over *religion*, how many of them actually go on to make in-person threats? How many christians go on to commit violence in the name of christianity?

and don’t let me hear you say that’s a minority of ppl who are *that* hateful that they actually act on their self righteousness – christians have no excuse what so *ever* for saying shit like this *ever* and more importantly, NO christian should tolerate it in the least in return!

but is that what we see?….

well, is that how it is?

nooo it’s not, is it?

I’ve seen christians say the most horrible things and when somebody complains about it, ie, me, all their christian fundie buddies descend to berate the person who had a word at the original christbigot, ie. me! so no, it’s not a minority – you have the minority who *say* this bullshit – but then you have a large number of fellow religidiots defending the bigot because he’s christian and the other guy, ie. me!, isn’t… the “mob” tolerates their own, but not the fool non-believers.

I’ve seen ppl defend Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Westboro Church and all manner of idiots, these people don’t outright say the same rubbish as their more famous christians, but they *want* to.

I’ve seen this many times – the most horrid christians do something horrid – i tell them to fuck themselves for being so horrid – then the moderate “mob” descends to defend the horrid little shit, with the biggest complaint being that I don’t use profane language, that some how telling someone to fuck themselves, is *worse* than telling someone to off themselves for not believing in Jayzus…..

yes – i am confushed as well – even more confusing is when someone from the “mob” does some complaining about the horrid christian, suddenly find themself shoved away from the “mob” and attacked by their former brethren and sisthren …


if yours is a religion of love – then show it – at all times – to all people, and especially not just to those who have the same beliefs as you. It takes every type of people to run this world, if you bigots don’t want to be part of the world, then shut the fuck up or fuck off back under the rock from which you crawled because – *NEWSFLASH* – we don’t need you stirring up your hateful ways, sowing the seeds of disharmony.

the cruellest christians on myspaz i’ve seen were picking on christians (or recently ex-christians) – some of the cruellest things in history were the things done in the name of love for god. I’ve often heard god called, “love” itself… intresting… would you not say, hmmm?…

but of course the obligatory retort of Stalin Hitler Mao ra ra ra killed millions too,.,,.,,.. *sigh*

that’s the difference isn’t it? the Stalin’s and Hitler’s and Mao’s certainly did not allegedly have the millions they killed in the name of love, and you know, from what I’ve read of history, those genocides perpetuated by these “ungodly” types (Stalin’s mom wanted him to be a priest even while he was in office, by the way), those millions of people killed, would appear to have NOT been killed in the name of love, right?

And they certainly weren’t killed in the name of atheism that’s for sure.

you could kill a million people that you hate because they are your enemy, and you could probably justify that action logically and rationally and have clear conscience because they *were* your enemy.. but could you kill even one person, out of love for someone else for no reason other than love itself??

That’s one thing the religious can never wash their hands clean, regardless of what good or bad non-believers do, non-believers do these things for reasons that are a part of this universe entirely, actual tangible reasons, or for reasons that are strictly personal. There will be no “the devil made me do it” out of a non-believer as a lame excuse for their actions.


Believers and their atrocities were done in the name of their gods – in the name of all those clichés like love – friendship – togetherness – family – *tolerance* – the religious killed IN SPITE of there being a commandment to NOT KILL.

so EXCUSE ME, which is worse?

a) Christians, who have no excuse to be intolerant because they have been instructed by their holy scripture to be tolerant that they so often claim to be the highest moral authority, and yet are *still* bigoted;


b) non-believers who allegedly don’t know any better, because their holy scripture did NOT instruct them to not be bigots and yet are still bigots?

Christians are supposed to be the best behaved out of all of us, no exceptions!! if you christians can’t behave, stop pretending to be a christian as a means to JUSTIFY YOUR HATRED of the universe, because if you can’t, then you are a LYING to yourself and to your god – and that’s gunna go down well when you stand before your god. I hope Satan broadcasts your encounter with god telling you how wrong you were on the big screen in hell, because, shit it’d be funny.


Now this is only a minor percentage of the religious who act like they are actually the vengeful god of the Old Testament – at least I hope it is a minor percentage – because there is this one little thing that makes me not WANT to even tolerate the silent masses of christians .. let me exemplify what i mean

Just say a christian tells someone that has just given up their faith, to “off” themselves…

now me – I would come down (as I have, many times) like a bag of bricks on this “christian” and nothing I can say, nothing is going to be *too* profane. There just isn’t a swear word strong enough. cunt shit fuck fart piss cock … nothing

However – christians are taught to be tolerant – any christian telling people to off themselves for not being christians, is inexcusable.

and this has happened, nearly two years ago actually, but did any christians have a go at this “christian” at the time? none to my knowledge. In fact, heaps of christians did see this (it was in a blog) and the only people who spoke out were the godless few, the majority of christians on this occasion decided that they would support the god given right for everyone to have “Free Speech” ..

so excuse me, why are the non-believers expected to be tolerant of behaviour like this? while writing this blog one person did mention that they saw the blog in question and regretted their inaction by apologising to me, which, while appreciated, highlights what i’m talking about.

That being that christians have a FEAR of telling other christians to pull their heads in…

so why should non-believers even worry about being tolerant to the believers? christians don’t even tend to their own flock. They **find** fault in **others** first before they find fault in their own.. it’s like the blinders are on to their fellow flock members.. *why*?!?!? – *clearly* they can find the heart to TOLERATE their own flock, when they feel like it, so they don’t *do* anything about their own minions, so why don’t they tolerate us?

You have to go out of your way to complain. Doing nothing requires, little effort.

so why don’t they tolerate us?

ohhhh…. hmmmmm….. ?????


because we’re not christians – so we are not tolerated, because we are not muslims, coz we are not jews, balah blah blah. doesn’t matter how minor our indiscretions are – we are not tolerated

why is that?

because – the religious are taught that their way is *the* way – it’s an *ego*trip* when they encounter non-believers – and nothing hurts the ego more when the reason for being on said ego trip, is questioned. The strongly religious think that are taught to teach others about their religion, and when it gets rejected over and over, they become angry and hateful.

ever been told that “all you just have to do is let Jesus into your heart!!”

“all you just have to do”? that’s it? that’s all it takes to be eternally saved? are they admitting that they in fact became believers in the space of a second or two? if that’s allllll you have to do then then ……… why is this Jesus thing not taking when I try to let Jesus into my heart?? The religious seem to think it’s pretty easy, all you have to do is believe … all you have to do is read the bible … all you have to do is believe .. all you have to do is read the bible … all you have to do is believe while you are reading the bible .. over and over and over …


urrr… and in closing …

non-belief is like the number zero…

like a bucket with no contents…

it’s like having a beach, with no sand

but then being expected to make a sand castle with it. If the sand castle is made, that sand came from somewhere else, not this beach with no sand upon it.

when i stand upon my beach, it is covered with sand from all over the universe …

in other words non-believers obtain their morality from many sources, and to say that a non-believer is immoral, is to say that the source of their morals is immoral, and in many cases – that’s moral source, was probably christianity – so it’s probably not wise to call non-believers immoral, especially when the religion you claim to follow was the source of their moral guidance

it would seem that unlike believers, non-believers don’t need to keep reading and re-reading the bible, they tend to learn the good stuff from the bible in one go, or by word of mouth, you know, from family and friends. you know, the people you actually trust, the people who should actually be teaching you about morals, and not some book from a time when they nailed people to crosses for heresy, not from a book that caused science to be rejected for a thousand years, not from a book that was caused armies to cross a continent to kill entire towns of people, and certianly not from a book that to this day still inspires bigotry in all walks of life…

any other book that causing as much segregation, hatred and bigotry in society as the bible would be banned from sale…

Posted 7 February, 2010 by manabrau in atheism, jesus, Religion Sux Arse, T.E.A.M.S

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