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the god flaw … free will … (religiorant)   Leave a comment



if god gave us free will, then why was the flood necessary? why were the commandments necessary? why was Jesus necessary?

god, supposedly put us here and gave us the free will to do what we wanted, but then god interfered and threw us down a different tangent, and on more than one occasion, so it was so no fluke that god interfered.

god is supposed to be perfect, so why did god need to keep interfering? why didn’t god get it right the first time?

it’s fucking god for fuck sake, no god would make a mistake….

god is omnipotent, which is pretty damn smart, so even *with* the free will that it supposedly gave us, god should have figured out there’d be a very high possibility some of us would go nuts with free will …

the only way god can wash it’s hands of this is if god made the universe, and merely just let the program run and everything since the creation to do with god, has been made up completely by us…

god, the greatest failure of all time, just look at us for the proof, or perhaps the flaws in god are proof that god was mankind’s blunder, and not the other way around?

Is man one of God’s blunders? Or is God one of man’s blunders?


a brief history of the christian’s god shall we?


god creates universe including our solar system and earth – so far so good, no worries, god then makes life in general, including mankind with our free will, and that goes well for a bit. But only for a little bit, as Adam and Eve eat of the apple and they are banished from Eden.

But this wasn’t totally or really god’s fault, coz giving us free will, meant that we were able to do whatever we wanted, so even if god knew what we might end up doing, it was our choice to fuck up… but the experiment failed, as god counted on us to choose to behave, god chose poorly….

So the precedent is set – on god’s first attempt at humanity with our having free will, it turned out to have “some” bad results, as we went off and stuffed up what god gave us – however – from this point on god has no excuse for not knowing what can result from our free will, and if Adam and Eve weren’t evidence enough of the bad results inherent with free will, Cain murdered Abel…

So the third person, murdered the fourth person – we didn’t start off very well according to the bible did we? ….

So within the first four humans created by god, at least half of them did something *really* bad – Eve ate the apple, even though told not to, and Cain goes and kills his brother. Good job god, fifty-fifty on the good V bad results of free will…

The precedent was set, free will equals sinning. here’s a neon sign for you god.

Got it?


So now I ask the reader this, if god knew that free will was just going to lead us into temptation *anyway* – then what was the purpose in wiping us all out apart from Noah and his family? Did god think that it was going to turn out better after wiping us all out, what was different after the pre-flood phase?


To save face on this free will thing after wiping us all out, why didn’t god give us the ten commandments at the time of Noah?

No…. god sent these commandments long after we descended back into our sinful ways, when it was already too late. It should have been obvious that this free will thing meant that we needed guidance, that we needed to be told certain things, ie. don’t kill.

But god failed to instruct us at the *perfect* time when it could have laid down the law… but god did not


But how did this ten commandments phase turn out? not too good, as we fell back into the sinning *again* and it was so bad that god changed tact this time and sends Jesus..

and how has this Jesus phase turned out?

Often I’ve read christians saying that we are sinning and falling into the depths of more and more sinful ways and rah rah rah … so it seems this giving us free will, wasn’t such a good idea, and yet this “perfect” god needed to try and fix things up by sending Jesus!!

a truly all powerful perfect god would have made us, and that should have been it, free will or not, foreknowledge of everything to happen or not, a god should have known we’d fuck up by giving us free will.

if god wanted us to have religion, the first one should have stuck, no?

did it? what *was* the first religion? the first monotheistic religion i know of is Zoroastrianism.. and I believe there are ten thousand of these guys still kicking around some where in the outback of Iran or Turkey…

but the christian god is the judaic god – why didn’t judaism stick? why did Jesus need to be sent?

I see faith in your eyes
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail
Follow the god that failed



god fucked up… and he fucked up big time and not only just once…

god *knew* what was going to happen, after all, god is all knowing and all powerful, he should have guessed we’d run amok, and even if god didn’t know what was going to happen with free will, the first four humans should have given god ample indication of what to expect, and yet god still interfered…

* god needed to kill us all except a handful in the great flood – FAIL #1

* god needed to send the ten commandments sooner rather than later when it was obvious humans needed guidance, god should have sent the commandments to Noah so that right at the restart after the flood we would be guided – god did not, god waited until we went stupid again – FAIL #2

* god needed to send Jesus coz the ten commandments just wasn’t enough to set us on the path to righteousness – sending Jesus is admission that god fucked up *again* – FAIL #3


these failures are not minor, and yet, doesn’t one tiny knick in god’s armour, make “god” unworthy of the title “god”?

of course there are answers to these questions,

* there is no god and the universe just is; or
* god is imperfect and is not worthy of the title god; or
* god is a bastard and is not worthy of being praised; or
* god doesn’t know we are here at all; or
* god knows we are here, but we are just another life form with little more intelligence than an ant; or
* life is so prevalent throughout the universe and we are nothing to “write home about” .

that Epicurus dude …

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”–[Epicurus]

and Marcus Aurelius said something similar to this as well… (don’t get me started about the Roman Empire, bloody Romans)

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.–[Marcus Aurelius]

which is preferable? which is more likely? which contradicts the bible the least? which doesn’t insult you at all? do you care?

maybe atheism is the last gasp effort of god… “OK let’s forget about me completely this time and see how you do by yourselves!”

but of course god won’t show up and tell us this – imagine that? god shows up and says “OK people … can we say FAIL? stop believing in me, I’ve had enough of the lot of you… oh and you were all wrong, making the non-believers the default winners because everyone else chose incorrectly” ..

finally we can tell the christians to shut up, the Israelis to share the “holy land” or pack their shit up and get out, the Buddhists to carry on, the Vatican to spend it’s entire fortune on feeding and cleaning up Africa, and the Muslims … well.. they need to lighten up, like, a *lot*…


it is my belief that if there is a god, it made the empty vacuum of space and made the “laws of the universe” (gravity, inertia, speed of light, rah rah rah), and via the laws of the universe, that pure vacuum of nothing eventually turned into our universe somehow, via NATURAL means..

maybe god just made the laws of the universe? and that nothing was already there? i mean, how do u make nothing anyway?

and i’m not just talking about our visible universe either – i’ve read that what is beyond our universe is irrelevant, “for the sake of simplicity”, is what they mean to say… what’s stopping us detecting another “big bang” from another universe, that exploded a thousand billion years ago, tomorrow?

which leads me to the conclusion that our bit in the void of the cosmos is *a* god, and that this god did the most impossible thing of all…

god made itself..

this alone is far more worthy a task of a god than having existed forever in my book…. is actually FAR more believable to me as well, because if this god being has been around “forever”, are we to truly believe that god made the universe *only* 6000 years ago, or *only* 4.5billion years ago, or *only* 20billion years ago? why did god not do this creation thing a trillion to the power of a trillion years ago?

AND are we truly that arrogant to think an all powerful god being sat around doing nothing for all that time, for the soul purpose of making us?

if u can find fault in god, then how can this thing be god? but what fault does one find in the universe? the universe is perfect the way it is, u can’t find fault in the universe because what is, is what is…

i love making this shit up…


Posted 21 October, 2009 by manabrau in jesus, M.S., Religion Sux Arse, T.E.A.M.S

the three most incredible things god could do?   Leave a comment

the three most amazing things god could do?

I am talking even *more* incredible than things you have already heard about before, even more incredible than: god is everywhere, god is eternal, god created the universe, god creates the laws of the universe, gravity, inertia, magnetism rah rah rah… blah blah blah…

okay here are my three most spectacular things for god to do, i’m mostly sure i have not heard them before elsewhere, mostly..

god creates itself

do you think god can’t possibly be of infinite age? problem solved, god invents itself. forget the eternal god, god can create itself.. what’s more impossible, an eternal god or god can create itself?

god is at every *when*

is at every when in the universe, god can see each moment in time because maybe god can just look at the fourth dimension (time) all at a glance from the vantage point of a higher dimension? so god doesn’t *need* to know everything, coz it’s there seeing it in real time all the time anyway.

god creates an infinite amount of “nothing”

god creates an infinite amount of the empty vacuum of space, a perfect vacuum, a trillion light years in every direction with not even a single particle of any kind. If this was all that god did, it would stand to reason that the laws of the universe then went onto create the universe that we see, somehow.


what super bizarre thing can your god(s) do? what *have* they done?

did your god also do nothing for trillions to the power of trillions of years, then worked for six days, for a few minutes each day, then needed to have a rest?

Posted 5 October, 2009 by manabrau in M.S., Religion Sux Arse, T.E.A.M.S

I am sick of hearing about Hitler…   Leave a comment


i am pretty sick to death of hearing about Hitler, the Nazis, the Holocaust and people *keep* saying to the whingers (like me)

“we must *never* forget so that it never happens again” ..

well… good… great idea… but forget what, exactly?

“we mustn’t forget that the Hitler and the Nazis caused the Holocaust…”

well… again… good… great thinking… Hitler+Nazis==Holocaust .. got it … but…

The next political party capable of committing such a thing as to rival the Holocaust that gets into power, probably won’t be called the “Nazi Party”, and the leader of the group will most likely not be called Adolf Hitler…

so this fretting over everyone being the new Hitler, this constant referral to ppl being Nazis, what *use* is it?

Of equal irrelevance is what Hitler and the Nazis believed in – who cares if they were christians? not all christians want to exterminate ethnic minorities.

who cares if Hitler agreed with the science of evolution, not every one who accepts evolutionary science has ordered millions of people to their deaths.

so no matter what Hitler believed in, it was obvious it came from many sources, are we just going to keep on blaming everyone because we *supposedly* believe in the same things as Hitler does, if that’s the case then every person has something in common with Hitler, you STUPID fuck tards.

Grow the fuck up, ALL of you.

What is vacant from all of these references to Hitler and discussions of what colour undies the Nazis wore, is any mention of *why* Hitler did what he did?

We keep going on we must never forget what the Nazis did…

well… good… great idea… but we know WHAT they did… we know WHO they did it to.. we know the names of the people who did these things…

but all of those things are irrelevant if we are *really* serious about stopping something like the Holocaust from happening again, because history has shown that time and time again over thru the ages that any person or any group of people can get together and do nasty things, no matter what they believe.

So what we need to know is *why* Hitler did what he did.

In *one* sentence, in your own words, *why* do _you_ think Hitler did what he did?

Posted 5 October, 2009 by manabrau in history, M.S., T.E.A.M.S